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List of 2018 recruits with current Purdue offers from Rivals...where do you think the class ends up?

Louisville 1980 has the size and athleticism to swith all positions and keep the ball in frontof you. Switching can cause huge problems...but if all the players are very similar...it can be your strength... ;)

Yep, and with the frequency of pick and roll action today, being able to switch is crucial.
 
Yep, and with the frequency of pick and roll action today, being able to switch is crucial.
It is crucial "IF" the one getting screened for is a threat on the perimeter. If not such a threat...slide under..judgement call. If the F'ing refs let you guard them OR called moving screens...either to not enhance the O it wouldn't be as effective. Used to be...it was a natural place to double the ball...which the "weave" does as well. Used to b you never wanted a player going behind another player that has the ball becasue you just brought the double team...but now the refs just call a foul so we can get notion out of defending with any physical presence on the perimeter...but let them beat the hell out of the inside player...Mason never has to go through this to get his... :(
 
It is crucial "IF" the one getting screened for is a threat on the perimeter. If not such a threat...slide under..judgement call. If the F'ing refs let you guard them OR called moving screens...either to not enhance the O it wouldn't be as effective. Used to be...it was a natural place to double the ball...which the "weave" does as well. Used to b you never wanted a player going behind another player that has the ball becasue you just brought the double team...but now the refs just call a foul so we can get notion out of defending with any physical presence on the perimeter...but let them beat the hell out of the inside player...Mason never has to go through this to get his... :(

You do make some good points, and I agree with how they let the bigs down low get beat up, but hand checks are fouls now on the drive/on the perimeter.

However, your IF the one getting screened is a threat on the perimeter is something that is moving more and more to not being an IF. More and more guys are becoming skilled, and not being able to step up and shoot it will usually limit one's court time considerably (unless you're elite at something else - like rebounding or rim protecting).

Also, Bob Cousy - as good as he was - was much easier to handle in a pick and roll situation than a guy like Russell Westbrook. It's just a fact.

The rules have most definitely been slanted towards favoring offense, but it's not that easy to stop some of these hyper explosive guards that can also drain 3s from the perimeter.
 
You do make some good points, and I agree with how they let the bigs down low get beat up, but hand checks are fouls now on the drive/on the perimeter.

However, your IF the one getting screened is a threat on the perimeter is something that is moving more and more to not being an IF. More and more guys are becoming skilled, and not being able to step up and shoot it will usually limit one's court time considerably (unless you're elite at something else - like rebounding or rim protecting).

Also, Bob Cousy - as good as he was - was much easier to handle in a pick and roll situation than a guy like Russell Westbrook. It's just a fact.

The rules have most definitely been slanted towards favoring offense, but it's not that easy to stop some of these hyper explosive guards that can also drain 3s from the perimeter.
No question the rules and calls favor the offense more today and no question some players using the ball screen can shoot 33% or better if "open" from the three off the dribble. With that percent there is more judgment than someone shooting 44% in the same scenario if both shoot 10 shots or so. Most schools in trying to build a team may not have the luxury of having enough players to switch everything. I wonder what the stats would be if the D couldn't force away from the screen and slid under more often...course I can wonder that because I have nothing in it. I expect the D to slowly slide back in place in a few years...
 
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Hopefully he waits until next spring to sign/announce. Maybe Painter can sell him on 3 guard system with him, Nojel and Carsen. Toss in any combination of Haarms, Wheeler, Ewing at the F/C positions. That has the make up of experience, size and athleticism to make a tourney run.
If Haarms and Ewing start we are in trouble. Of the 5 players mentioned, Carsen is the most athletic and he is 5'10"... if you think that 5 has the athleticism to make a tourney run, I don't know if you have been watching this tournament very closely.
 
If Haarms and Ewing start we are in trouble. Of the 5 players mentioned, Carsen is the most athletic and he is 5'10"... if you think that 5 has the athleticism to make a tourney run, I don't know if you have been watching this tournament very closely.

If we get 2 of the newcomers to be of difference maker/starter caliber....that can only make us that much better IMO. With DM, CE, VE, Haas, PJT, and even Cline....experienced and all starters, 4 of which are seniors, starting at one time last year and ready to go.....if not one, but 2 newcomers can come and surplant those guys as starters - I would say we are in real good shape! That could make us dangerous.....possibly B1G champions again.

My worry is what if none of the newcomers are good enough to see starters minutes or be difference makers? We have had that happen before. Hurt a little in 17-18, but in 18-19 after the seniors are gone....that would put us in a world of hurt.
 
If Haarms and Ewing start we are in trouble. Of the 5 players mentioned, Carsen is the most athletic and he is 5'10"... if you think that 5 has the athleticism to make a tourney run, I don't know if you have been watching this tournament very closely.

Ehh, I think athleticism is different for different sized players. Obviously Carsen is very athletic but Nojel is incredibly athletic for being 6'7 and being able to, what appears, a lot of the same things. What may end up being a huge advantage next season is that 1-4 with Nojel, Carsen/PJT, Mathias, and Vince...you are going to be able to guard the 1-4 very effectively with either athleticism or with intelligence. That gives a lot of flex to what Painter would like to do on the defensive side. Having Nojel, who can body up against large 2's and 3's...and even a player like Wagner...gives Purdue the ability to not only pressure the ball more off the three point line (that is where Kansas really turned the game in the second half...when they pressured Purdue 5-10 feet off the arc).

I think for what we have seen the last few years manifest itself in the college game, the best lineup for what many fans have been clamoring for next season would be:

G: C. Edwards (6' 190)
G: Mathias (6'4 200)
G: Eastern (6'6 210)
F: V. Edwards (6'8 225)
F: Haarms (7'2 225)

In this lineup, you have length and size but also enough athleticism that won't get you burned by teams like ISU or Michigan this past season. The advantage of this lineup is that outside of Eastern, all the players have been with Purdue for a season as well. I could very well see this being the second lineup outside of the obvious starting lineup being:

G: PJT
G: C. Edwards
G: Mathias
F: V. Edwards
C: Haas

In what I expect to be the first substitution pattern, you have Haas getting a break early in the game for a majority of minutes from roughly 12 minutes to the 4 minute timeout along with sliding Nojel in to create a mismatch on the wing against smaller players. The lineup with Nojel will create most of the issues for other teams in that if you defend Nojel with a smaller player, he can take them inside which leaves a slower player for Vince to take off the dribble. If you slide a more athletic player against Vince, you risk putting a slower player on Nojel/Mathias who have shown the ability to get to the rim and either shoot or pass out (seriously, watch Nojel's highlights...he has great vision when getting in the lane at times).
 
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Ehh, I think athleticism is different for different sized players. Obviously Carsen is very athletic but Nojel is incredibly athletic for being 6'7 and being able to, what appears, a lot of the same things. What may end up being a huge advantage next season is that 1-4 with Nojel, Carsen/PJT, Mathias, and Vince...you are going to be able to guard the 1-4 very effectively with either athleticism or with intelligence. That gives a lot of flex to what Painter would like to do on the defensive side. Having Nojel, who can body up against large 2's and 3's...and even a player like Wagner...gives Purdue the ability to not only pressure the ball more off the three point line (that is where Kansas really turned the game in the second half...when they pressured Purdue 5-10 feet off the arc).

I think for what we have seen the last few years manifest itself in the college game, the best lineup for what many fans have been clamoring for next season would be:

G: C. Edwards (6' 190)
G: Mathias (6'4 200)
G: Eastern (6'6 210)
F: V. Edwards (6'8 225)
F: Haarms (7'2 225)

In this lineup, you have length and size but also enough athleticism that won't get you burned by teams like ISU or Michigan this past season. The advantage of this lineup is that outside of Eastern, all the players have been with Purdue for a season as well. I could very well see this being the second lineup outside of the obvious starting lineup being:

G: PJT
G: C. Edwards
G: Mathias
F: V. Edwards
C: Haas

In what I expect to be the first substitution pattern, you have Haas getting a break early in the game for a majority of minutes from roughly 12 minutes to the 4 minute timeout along with sliding Nojel in to create a mismatch on the wing against smaller players. The lineup with Nojel will create most of the issues for other teams in that if you defend Nojel with a smaller player, he can take them inside which leaves a slower player for Vince to take off the dribble. If you slide a more athletic player against Vince, you risk putting a slower player on Nojel/Mathias who have shown the ability to get to the rim and either shoot or pass out (seriously, watch Nojel's highlights...he has great vision when getting in the lane at times).
Yes but we need to worry about teams like Kansas. I'm not saying we will field a more athletic (speed, side to side quickness, jumping) team than them but we need to have some athletes on the roster that can hang with them and give us more fast break opportunities to dominate B1G play. Guy's like VE are not athletic... dude is 6'8" and I don't think I've ever seen him dunk an alley oop. My point is, if you are going to offer a fairly unpolished bruiser like Eden Ewing... make sure he can at least do a tomahawk and get off the block quickly on D.
 
Yes but we need to worry about teams like Kansas. I'm not saying we will field a more athletic (speed, side to side quickness, jumping) team than them but we need to have some athletes on the roster that can hang with them and give us more fast break opportunities to dominate B1G play. Guy's like VE are not athletic... dude is 6'8" and I don't think I've ever seen him dunk an alley oop. My point is, if you are going to offer a fairly unpolished bruiser like Eden Ewing... make sure he can at least do a tomahawk and get off the block quickly on D.
Vince did an ally oop against Maryland last year on a fast break from PJT.
 
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Hopefully he waits until next spring to sign/announce. Maybe Painter can sell him on 3 guard system with him, Nojel and Carsen. Toss in any combination of Haarms, Wheeler, Ewing at the F/C positions. That has the make up of experience, size and athleticism to make a tourney run.
Four of the five names listed have never played a second of college ball and that would be an experienced lineup. And never seen them play, athletic at the college level.
 
Vince did an ally oop against Maryland last year on a fast break from PJT.

OH, Vincent Edwards......with the Hammer....yesss!



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Yes but we need to worry about teams like Kansas. I'm not saying we will field a more athletic (speed, side to side quickness, jumping) team than them but we need to have some athletes on the roster that can hang with them and give us more fast break opportunities to dominate B1G play. Guy's like VE are not athletic... dude is 6'8" and I don't think I've ever seen him dunk an alley oop. My point is, if you are going to offer a fairly unpolished bruiser like Eden Ewing... make sure he can at least do a tomahawk and get off the block quickly on D.

I think the one aspect about VE that sticks out to most about being 'unathletic' is his slow first step and that largely has to do with the form of that first step. I am very surprised CMP and staff haven't worked on that aspect of his game but that may be something he tries to correct this off season. If he went away with the bent over, single side step, shot fake, and instead went with a dribble fake to his weak side or a ball fake, he would be much more effective off the wing to his dribble.
 
I think the one aspect about VE that sticks out to most about being 'unathletic' is his slow first step and that largely has to do with the form of that first step. I am very surprised CMP and staff haven't worked on that aspect of his game but that may be something he tries to correct this off season. If he went away with the bent over, single side step, shot fake, and instead went with a dribble fake to his weak side or a ball fake, he would be much more effective off the wing to his dribble.
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Vince is slow on D as well…just not a quick player. That said, it seems to me that most do not stretch out enough with the first step AND go too wide to avoid contact. I think you want to brush the defender and take up as much distance for your straight line drive as possible in going to the basket. Too many kids do not drive tight and it allows the D to recover...you have the ball…you know where you want to go…you have the advantage in being mentally ahead of the D…use it. Also, bring your off hand to the ball and not the ball to your off hand in shooting a layup to protect the ball. Course when they force sideline, they try to remove that option and force you more the way they want you to go in order to remove that gap…but many times the lane is more open now.

Biggie was getting hurt in the Iowa State game and in one timeout Matt was pointing at Biggie’s feet. I couldn’t get a clear enough shot on the pic to see what was being discussed, but traditionally if a defender does not close out in a square position …or a more staggered position with a foot in front of the other…the offense should attack the front foot as that requires the defender to turn around…course some will stagger to force weak hand and such. Getting the ball close to the FT line is the hardest place to guard a person one on one since both directions and a bank board are open.

For years a jab step was taught and with any jab step it is NOT a sideways step or a forward step, but a 45 degree step to move the defender back AND over to get distance if you shoot by going forward and over to drive the ball. It was common years ago to teach a jab step around the 15-17 foot mark or so if an offensive player was coming from baseline out off of the inside foot…now pivot foot with a cross-over step for the drive. It was also common years ago to see perimeter players work their feet in receiving a ball so they could establish a pivot with the foot that was not going to step into the shot. For a few years…this was VERY pronounced in IU ball players…as stepping into the shot was great for the stroke and distance.

I mentioned in the past in some thread where I was with Ernie Hobbie working with Mike Robinson in Mackey on shooting. Ernie referred to the Michael Jordan move which altered some of my previous thoughts about pivot feet and cross-over steps which protect the ball, but are slower. Ernie wanted Mike to always establish a pivot foot that allowed him to step into a shot with his other foot. Always doing this would cut down on the thinking, muscle memory and simplify previous fundamentals. It would still allow a cross-over step (but only one learned instead of two). I liked Ernie’s promotion of this move. If help is removed and a player from junior high up has the ball…he should be able to take 1 dribble and shoot a layup...he should be able to cover that length. Not as pretty but could be accomplished with elementary players as well…
 
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I thought I read that Carmody was a heavy lean towards OSU. I also read Phinisee was a lean towards Butler.

I would love to see Painter get Carmody and Phinisee. Both would be excellent players and very nice component pieces to what's Purdue has been trying to do.

I don't know much about Trapp but he seems to be a lock. Word is that he has been in contact with Haas.

Purdue offered two 2017 big men that have a lot of upside recently. I think our core will be Trapp, Carmody, and Phinisee if we are lucky. Take those three and bank a scholly going into the 2019 class. That would give us an excellent class and some room to grab Thompson and then grab an athletic wing or a big man in the 2019 class. Phinisee I think is the less likely of the three but we are still very much in the running. Purdue can't afford to keep losing top targets to Butler. Losing Kyle Young to them really hurts. He would have been a perfect fit and will be a fantastic college player. If Butler manages to grab Hunter and Phinisee in the 2018 class, they will be very scary.
If Butler got them both I will knock hard on them every December until they can never take recruits from us. At this point I prefer Hunter more than Phinisee and I think Hunter can play PG somehow.
 
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Vince is slow on D as well…just not a quick player. That said, it seems to me that most do not stretch out enough with the first step AND go too wide to avoid contact. I think you want to brush the defender and take up as much distance for your straight line drive as possible in going to the basket. Too many kids do not drive tight and it allows the D to recover...you have the ball…you know where you want to go…you have the advantage in being mentally ahead of the D…use it. Also, bring your off hand to the ball and not the ball to your off hand in shooting a layup to protect the ball. Course when they force sideline, they try to remove that option and force you more the way they want you to go in order to remove that gap…but many times the lane is more open now.

Biggie was getting hurt in the Iowa State game and in one timeout Matt was pointing at Biggie’s feet. I couldn’t get a clear enough shot on the pic to see what was being discussed, but traditionally if a defender does not close out in a square position …or a more staggered position with a foot in front of the other…the offense should attack the front foot as that requires the defender to turn around…course some will stagger to force weak hand and such. Getting the ball close to the FT line is the hardest place to guard a person one on one since both directions and a bank board are open.

For years a jab step was taught and with any jab step it is NOT a sideways step or a forward step, but a 45 degree step to move the defender back AND over to get distance if you shoot by going forward and over to drive the ball. It was common years ago to teach a jab step around the 15-17 foot mark or so if an offensive player was coming from baseline out off of the inside foot…now pivot foot with a cross-over step for the drive. It was also common years ago to see perimeter players work their feet in receiving a ball so they could establish a pivot with the foot that was not going to step into the shot. For a few years…this was VERY pronounced in IU ball players…as stepping into the shot was great for the stroke and distance.

I mentioned in the past in some thread where I was with Ernie Hobbie working with Mike Robinson in Mackey on shooting. Ernie referred to the Michael Jordan move which altered some of my previous thoughts about pivot feet and cross-over steps which protect the ball, but are slower. Ernie wanted Mike to always establish a pivot foot that allowed him to step into a shot with his other foot. Always doing this would cut down on the thinking, muscle memory and simplify previous fundamentals. It would still allow a cross-over step (but only one learned instead of two). I liked Ernie’s promotion of this move. If help is removed and a player from junior high up has the ball…he should be able to take 1 dribble and shoot a layup...he should be able to cover that length. Not as pretty but could be accomplished with elementary players as well…

That single dribble move is probably one of the hardest things to teach a younger player today because they see guys like Steph Curry dribble around for 10 seconds and then jack a three up from distance. I used to start my young players at the free throw line and give them one dribble to make a layup...then scoot them back to the three point line...then 3 steps beyond the arc. We would get to halfcourt and increase their dribbles to 3. Amazing at how even the most coordinated and physically talented players would suddenly look awkward and fall over themselves when trying to learn that exact skill. From there, we went to a single dribble, stop, and jumpshot. And then from there we went to a jab step, dribble, stop, and shoot. Amazing that kids at the lower levels just don't use that more often as they think they have to be WIDE open to shoot. If you can get 3 feet of separation from your defender (I used to bring a yard stick down to show them visually), you are open enough to shoot. However, I had to be very careful to explain the difference between a good shot and a bad shot because typically I had a kid that suddenly thought he was open every time down the floor (hah)
 
That single dribble move is probably one of the hardest things to teach a younger player today because they see guys like Steph Curry dribble around for 10 seconds and then jack a three up from distance. I used to start my young players at the free throw line and give them one dribble to make a layup...then scoot them back to the three point line...then 3 steps beyond the arc. We would get to halfcourt and increase their dribbles to 3. Amazing at how even the most coordinated and physically talented players would suddenly look awkward and fall over themselves when trying to learn that exact skill. From there, we went to a single dribble, stop, and jumpshot. And then from there we went to a jab step, dribble, stop, and shoot. Amazing that kids at the lower levels just don't use that more often as they think they have to be WIDE open to shoot. If you can get 3 feet of separation from your defender (I used to bring a yard stick down to show them visually), you are open enough to shoot. However, I had to be very careful to explain the difference between a good shot and a bad shot because typically I had a kid that suddenly thought he was open every time down the floor (hah)
Well said and your kids were lucky to have you teach them some things!
 
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I hope Purdue can get Carmody along with Hunter or Phinisee. I think those are all impact guys that this class can build around.

Also, trying not to be negative, but I really hope Purdue is in on more talent at the four and five than this list indicates for 2018. With the combination of tons of projected playing time up for grabs in 2018, Purdue getting the ball in the post more than any team, and Hammons/Swanigan/Haas all on the NBA radar, it would seem Purdue should be able to reel in an impact guy here.

Trapp might blow up, but all signs point to him being a developmental guy like Haarms. Maybe Dowuona or Hauser will work out too.

Just hoping to see a wider net cast for the post positions this spring and summer since Purdue has a lot of good things to sell players on right now.

Watching Hauser, he is a much more athletically gifted Mathias...on par with RH. He is a player that can thrive being the focal part of a program like Purdue. I liken it to Derek Willis at UK...imagine where he might be had he been given the chance to start multiple years at a different program.

If it is in fact between schools like UVA, Whisky, and Iowa...I like CMP's chances as he has had good success outside of Kyle Guy to UVA. Honestly haven't had a lot of recruiting matchups against Whisky and Iowa.
But would we have landed Vince if Willis was already established at Purdue?
 
i'm not going to complain, but I will express my concern and confusion. As I look at our current team and our current recruits, I see Eastern and C Edwards and maybe Wheeler being our top 3 players in 2018. And many including myself see Wheeler as a SF.

yet when I look at recruiting sites, and reading posts, I keep reading our top targets and the best players we are recruiting are more guards. this leads me to ask two questions.

1. Why is Painter going after more guards in 2018 when he already has C Edwards and Eastern ? I doubt either go pro after next year. and I'm sorry, I don't consider a 6'4 SF in high school as desirable to play SF in college. Somebody who is 6'4 is a guard.

2. if I was a 4/5 star guard in high school, and looking at C Edwards and Eastern as the starting guards for the next 1-3 years, why would I want to come to Purdue ? most 5 star players look for a school that will go to the final 4, or a team where they would start and become a star immediately. I doubt either of those options would happen for our 2018-9 team.

While it's nice to see Painter going after the local talent and some talented players, why is it I don't see him going after more elite big men? the ones I see him targeting are nice , but they're not the type to go oooooh and ahhhhhh about. I'd hate to have a team of ten 4/5 star guards.

That's why I'd press hard for Tilmon, because I don't see many elite big men being recruited for 2018. That's why I also wanted JJJ.

Do guards get higher ratings earlier than big men?
 
i'm not going to complain, but I will express my concern and confusion. As I look at our current team and our current recruits, I see Eastern and C Edwards and maybe Wheeler being our top 3 players in 2018. And many including myself see Wheeler as a SF.

yet when I look at recruiting sites, and reading posts, I keep reading our top targets and the best players we are recruiting are more guards. this leads me to ask two questions.

1. Why is Painter going after more guards in 2018 when he already has C Edwards and Eastern ? I doubt either go pro after next year. and I'm sorry, I don't consider a 6'4 SF in high school as desirable to play SF in college. Somebody who is 6'4 is a guard.

2. if I was a 4/5 star guard in high school, and looking at C Edwards and Eastern as the starting guards for the next 1-3 years, why would I want to come to Purdue ? most 5 star players look for a school that will go to the final 4, or a team where they would start and become a star immediately. I doubt either of those options would happen for our 2018-9 team.

While it's nice to see Painter going after the local talent and some talented players, why is it I don't see him going after more elite big men? the ones I see him targeting are nice , but they're not the type to go oooooh and ahhhhhh about. I'd hate to have a team of ten 4/5 star guards.

That's why I'd press hard for Tilmon, because I don't see many elite big men being recruited for 2018. That's why I also wanted JJJ.

Do guards get higher ratings earlier than big men?


I wouldn't mind another guard or two in the next class. Eastern has the size of a wing. Edwards will be our only true guard next year. Cline is not good defensively and is best coming off the bench when we need a shooter for short spurts. Carmody, Hunter, and Phinisee are all top 100 players that will give an immediate impact. Yes, they should be targeting more forwards or players wth size and athleticism to play multiple positions. Hopefully the new assistant coach will be more aggressive with top rate big men. We need rim protectors and people that can disrupt shots, but it would be silly to ignore the three guards and not try and get atleast 1-2. I don't understand why Painer isn't targeting top 50 big men more aggressively for the '18 class. Purdue has an incredible track record of playing the offense through the big men and getting them ready for the pros. We have some talent, but can we get consistency from Haas? Is Ewing Vig Ten ready? Is Taylor healthy? Can Haarms be a post defender/scorer? Lots of questions moving forward. The two big guys Purdue seems to be in the mix for are both outside the top 150 and I don't want another tall uncoordinated guy wth stone hands. Would like to see somebody in the 6'9-6'11 range that is a shot blocker and moves very well. Offense is less of a priority when all the other positions can score and score well. I want a player like JJ. Didn't average a lot of points at first, but was a great defender even as a freshman. Grew into an all Big Ten player.
 
I wouldn't mind another guard or two in the next class. Eastern has the size of a wing. Edwards will be our only true guard next year. Cline is not good defensively and is best coming off the bench when we need a shooter for short spurts. Carmody, Hunter, and Phinisee are all top 100 players that will give an immediate impact. Yes, they should be targeting more forwards or players wth size and athleticism to play multiple positions. Hopefully the new assistant coach will be more aggressive with top rate big men. We need rim protectors and people that can disrupt shots, but it would be silly to ignore the three guards and not try and get atleast 1-2. I don't understand why Painer isn't targeting top 50 big men more aggressively for the '18 class. Purdue has an incredible track record of playing the offense through the big men and getting them ready for the pros. We have some talent, but can we get consistency from Haas? Is Ewing Vig Ten ready? Is Taylor healthy? Can Haarms be a post defender/scorer? Lots of questions moving forward. The two big guys Purdue seems to be in the mix for are both outside the top 150 and I don't want another tall uncoordinated guy wth stone hands. Would like to see somebody in the 6'9-6'11 range that is a shot blocker and moves very well. Offense is less of a priority when all the other positions can score and score well. I want a player like JJ. Didn't average a lot of points at first, but was a great defender even as a freshman. Grew into an all Big Ten player.


I agree with all of those thoughts. Carmody, Hunter and Phinisee are all tremendous players and would make great additions to our team. But I can't see Purdue signing all three of them. and I can't see any of them wanting to play in Edwards' or Eastern's shadow for the next 2-3 years. Sure, Eastern could move to SF, but his value is as a tall PG.. But wouldn't it be smarter to recruit a Sf, than to play a 3 guard offense? And sure, there would be 20 minutes for one or two of these guys to play as freshmen. but I doubt they'd be happy still sharing time as sophomores and juniors. and that's what they'd be doing. They'd provide tremendous depth, and we'd have a tremendous backcourt. But if they are as good as people say they are, I believe they'd want to play for a team where they'd at least start as sophomores. and I don't see Edwards or Eastern leaving for the pros anytime soon.

We're going to have a lot of playing time at PF and C to offer to any 2018 recruit. I'd sure like to see some names of top 100 players at those positions interested in Purdue rather than more guards. Having great guards is good, but not if we have nobody in the paint.
 
BUMP POST: Aaron Henry of Ben Davis is starting to make a move and is being watched by Purdue coaches this weekend. The 6'6 wing player led Ben Davis to a state title this season. Highlights below:

Another lefty...Matt it appears likes lefy handed players and it certainly allows a couple of players with strong hands different side of the courts...since many are right handed
 
As far as going after guards. .... Need some in every class. College is a guards game....need a bunch of Em.

As far as going after so many guards....... Put together an early list of 5 guys he wants for 2018 and CMP might end up getting one of them. Usually the early list of guys he is looking at...ends up not being the guys he ends up with. Out of the last few classes only VE & Eastern were the only guys I can think of he went after early and landed. Haas, CE, DM, PJT, Cline, SS, Wheeler. Haarms, Ewing and our beloved Taylor were all guys he looked at and added later after some others he looked at early......did not work out.
 
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Another lefty...Matt it appears likes lefy handed players and it certainly allows a couple of players with strong hands different side of the courts...since many are right handed

I think Matt was quoted a few years ago saying if he felt two players were of similar skill and talent, he would offer the lefty first because they offer a bit of a different look to defenders than what they are used to. Imo, I think lefties traditionally have a quicker and smoother release as wel.
 
I think Matt was quoted a few years ago saying if he felt two players were of similar skill and talent, he would offer the lefty first because they offer a bit of a different look to defenders than what they are used to. Imo, I think lefties traditionally have a quicker and smoother release as wel.
I din't know that but keeping open an eye to see it appeared he was more interested than the 10% of the population they represent. I like it becasue you could have one player that is better going left and another that is better going right whether they are on a side of the court that makes it easier to get in the middle or another side that makes it easier to get baseline against some defensive approaches.
 
I din't know that but keeping open an eye to see it appeared he was more interested than the 10% of the population they represent. I like it becasue you could have one player that is better going left and another that is better going right whether they are on a side of the court that makes it easier to get in the middle or another side that makes it easier to get baseline against some defensive approaches.
I always had a harder time as a righty guarding lefties because your left leg isn't as strong as your right leg, and the left leg is what you have to push off with when they drive to their left, if that makes any sense.
 
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I always had a harder time as a righty guarding lefties because your left leg isn't as strong as your right leg, and the left leg is what you have to push off with when they drive to their left, if that makes any sense.
I think it is as simple as being the opposite from many players...AND IT offers strengths different than many that put defenders in position. Example you have a lefty and right handed person playing against a zone...now you have no clear cut defender and rebounder side of the zone if both are a threat. It forces a more balanced offensive game
 
Carmody or Hunter can play with Eastern guarding the 3 and Carsen guarding the point. Really not an issue.
 
I think it is as simple as being the opposite from many players...AND IT offers strengths different than many that put defenders in position. Example you have a lefty and right handed person playing against a zone...now you have no clear cut defender and rebounder side of the zone if both are a threat. It forces a more balanced offensive game
I think that many lefties are also amphibious. We grow up in a right handed world, so we have to learn how to do many thinks right hand too.
 
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I think that many lefties are also amphibious. We grow up in a right handed world, so we have to learn how to do many thinks right hand too.
I think there is some truth to that in a lot of areas, but my "anecdotal" observations are that many are worse with their right hand drbble than right handed players are with their left...perhaps due to more people use to overplaying the right handed player. I just think having "players" that their strong hands are right AND left is an offensive help mostly
 
It is a running joke, although a corny one, I have been using since I first heard someone else use it. I am a lefty who is somewhat ambidextrous, though in an odd way. I always shot basketball right handed but was very good with the left. I throw left but always batted right until I taught myself to hit left too in college, because the field we played on had a short porch in right field.
 
It is a running joke, although a corny one, I have been using since I first heard someone else use it. I am a lefty who is somewhat ambidextrous, though in an odd way. I always shot basketball right handed but was very good with the left. I throw left but always batted right until I taught myself to hit left too in college, because the field we played on had a short porch in right field.

Comes in handy for golf, too.
 
Another 2018....
Besides Thompson & Francis add a new name to the 2018 PGs Purdue might be after....thanks to our new coach....

Jamal Bieniemy out of TX
 
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