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Biggie at 40, DJ Wilson at 30, Bryant at 36.
Is Wilson staying in the draft?
Biggie at 40, DJ Wilson at 30, Bryant at 36.
Is Wilson staying in the draft?
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Guys like Jordan Bell, Derrick White, Thomas Bryant, and DJ Wilson have no business getting drafted ahead of Swanigan. What a disgrace.
not really
Did you see Jordan Bell in the NCAA Tournament? He was absolute beast on the boards and on the defensive end (especially in Oregon's win over Kansas).
I doubt you know that much about Derrick White. I don't know too much about him either, but I do know that he was a star player at the DII (or DIII?) level before transferring to Colorado for his final season of eligibility. He ended up bring their best guard/overall player this past season.
um, jordan bell is an athletic and defensive freak... I think you need to realize NBA and college game are vastly different
I have literally watched the entire NBA draft each year for the past 15 years.
So...aside from Bell then (who I am still not that impressed with), the other 3 have no business being drafted ahead of him.
I'm curious, not a knock, just curious - how does watching the draft make one an expert on a player's potential basketball future?
Oh good, I was thinking I needed to stop figuratively watching the draft.
Expert? Definitely not. But informed, yes. NBA drafts on potential mainly. Caleb is only 19 (or barely 20, don't know his bday) Scouts are talking about him like he's a 23 yr old senior who has reached his ceiling. I feel with his work ethic he has a higher potential than any of those guys. I feel he can improve his athleticism as well, which seems to be his biggest flaw. So again, those guys being chosen ahead of him is laughable.
I saw this mock draft 2 days and ago and was thinking the exact same thing. If I was him and saw that, I'd come back to Purdue...
Not sure if you remember the Big 10 Tournament game where we lost to Michigan and Pat Riley was there scouting it? Wilson dominated the first half and I was starting to think that maybe Pat was there to see him and not Biggie. That might have been a fluke half for Wilson. I haven't seen him that much to really know. The "experts" must think DJ has more upside than Biggie. The "experts" are usually wrong... I'll take Biggie any day.
I agree. I'll take what Biggie did this as opposed to a few hot games by Wilson. Wilson averaged 11 and 5. Cool.
Averaging 11 and 5 over the course of 30+ games isn't really someone just having "a few hot games". He's a big that can shoot out to 3PT range, he has a good handle, and he can score with his back to the basket. So there are reasons Wilson is high on people's mock draft boards. Also, as Do Dah Day noted, watching an NBA Draft (many of us here have watched NBA Drafts for years) does not give someone an upper-hand in projecting a draftee's NBA career potential.
As I look back, I have witnessed many draft day mistakes made purely on potential over performance. In one draft I recall Paul Pierce, Dirk, Tractor Traylor , La France and Brad Miller. Pierce was asked to switch positions at his draft camps and made mistakes. Traylor was only asked to play in 10 minute spurts and succeeded. When he goes over 12 minutes, his body and motor runs out. Dirk was a European unknown who said he would only play for Cuban or he'd stay in Europe. La France was good at Kansas. Miller was great at Purdue and owned Taylor every time Purdue played Michigan. but when it came to draft time, all of their performances on the court in real competition were thrown out. and teams went by all star games and individual workouts. As I look at their NBA careers, the ones who were successful in real games ended up having successful careers despite their combine results. I'm not sure what went wrong with La France. I guess he wasn't that great in college, but was just living off the Kansas hype?
an opposite case could be made about Rick Mount. that he was great in college, but was too short and was a bust in the NBA. As memory serves, he did fairly well in the ABA. he might have developed in the NBA and become a valuable 6th man. I'm reminded both Pierce and Havlechek started out as 6th men. And E Moore worked his way from being an after thought to a starter.
it doesn't matter where you are drafted. it matters what you do after being drafted.
an opposite case could be made about Rick Mount. that he was great in college, but was too short and was a bust in the NBA. As memory serves, he did fairly well in the ABA. he might have developed in the NBA and become a valuable 6th man. I'm reminded both Pierce and Havlechek started out as 6th men. And E Moore worked his way from being an after thought to a starter.
it doesn't matter where you are drafted. it matters what you do after being drafted.
yes, him. When a player becomes an after thought, we also forget how to spell his name.
I doubt the majority of posters here even know who I'm referring to much less know how to spell his name
Okay, I think some of them do know who you are referring to and I know how to spell his name, so I guess your assumption isn't completely accurate.
You shouldn't argue with the only friend you got. I think my point was well made.. Nobody remembers or cares abut LA France. and back then, just like BIG Dog, Tractor, and Biggie, that's what we called him. Rather than calling him Frenchie, or French fry, we referred to him as La France . maybe it was just a small gathering of us.
I'm not overly concerned about trying to gain message board "friends", lol. Sometimes I agree with people, sometimes I don't, and sometimes people agree with me (believe it or not) and sometimes they don't. I don't think your point was well-made but that's the freedom we have here.
Maybe it was limited to the group you hung out with because I never called him that.
If my memory serves me mount injured his knee his senior year and lost a lot of lateral movement required to play defense. (Not that he played a lot of defense before the injury)
My point was NEVER about LA France. it was about players who do well in combines and are drafted a lot higher than players who perform well in meaningful games. And those who perform well in meaningful games usually end up performing well in the NBA. I included some names that I thought were recognizable and one that was not. My point was we tend to forget players who were high draft picks , but who never came close to matching their hype. I believe I made my point.
I vaguely recall him, but agree it doesn't matter if you spelled his name right. Your point is clear. Don't fall for the smoke screens and misdirection some here will throw at you when their own argument is weak.
Not that I want in this pissing match but Brad Miller wasn't drafted. Which worked out okay for him since he could then sign for whatever he could get.
I agree with Nags. When down in the low first to high second round most teams are looking at a player as long term depth or as a shot at a freak athlete who with development could become a upper half first round type of player. I think we are seeing how they view Caleb vs how they view DJ.
Does Biggie go with dad or an agent with NBA experience? If I was him I'd separate family from business but let Rosie provide valuable input (Rosie probably knows some good experienced NBA player agents).
John Havlicek (Naismith Hall of Famer), not “Havlechek.” Robert “Tractor” Traylor, not “Taylor” as in your second reference. Raef LaFrentz, not “La France,” as mentioned.
Mount struggled in the pros less because he was too short (a 6-4 guard was no dwarf in the ’70s) as because he defended poorly and teammates declined to set picks he needed to launch his jump shots. A 1975 shoulder separation effectively ended his career.
None of these negate Wolegib’s points. I just wish he would not debase them by being careless.
I think he will get a different agent to represent him......
I mean why not have two in agents in your corner.....one to be out in front of people(the one you officially hire) and one on the personal side (Rosie) behind the scenes explaining every thing.
Sounds like to me that would be the better way to go and get the best of both and gain an advantage.
Any advantage helps.....which is why I think he climbs up to the first round.
Reason not to hire an outside agent is $'s I would presume. I'd imagine an agent's cut is substantial at these high pay levels. Still might be worth it, but if he stayed with dad the money stays in-house (figuratively and literally).
And a lot of what appear to be typos are made by my computer's auto correct features that believes it knows how to spell the names better than me. And once and twice corrected, I don't feel like going back and editing the single words. I typed Traylor.
However, if people today want to call C Edwards as Boogie and Caleb Swanigan as Biggie, then I will continue to refer to those older players by the names I called them when I watched them play. I called him LA France. The name suited him ! Many opposing players had nicknames that are no longer suitable for printing. I had a different nickname for Kent Benson. We won't go there.
As for Mount, wasn't he a SF at Purdue, and then tried to become a SG in the ABA? back in his day, 6'4 was sort of short for a small forward, but not unheard of. A lot of small forwards were 6'5. Ricky Pierce, Junior Bridges and Paul Pressey were all under 6'5 and played some minutes at SF in the NBA. Dr. J was 6'6 and considered as a SF. Wes Unseld played center at 6'7. Mount's deficiencies caught up to him after leaving Purdue. He was too short to defend the small forwards of his day in the ABA and too slow to defend the guards.
I think this sums up why Mount didn't succeed and pretty much straight from the guy who would know best.
"High school legend, one of the greatest
college shooters in history, but in the pros he had trouble
defending and getting his shot off," says Bob (Slick) Leonard,
Also reportedly had an attitude problem (like that is a surprise) and him Slick feuded constantly.
"High school legend, one of the greatest
college shooters in history, but in the pros he had trouble
defending and getting his shot off," says Bob (Slick) Leonard,
Also reportedly had an attitude problem (like that is a surprise) and him Slick feuded constantly.
Slick was a hopeless drunk in those days and he didn't like Mount. Mount didn't play defense in HS or College to keep out of foul trouble. He was learning when his career went sideways. Add to it that Billy Keller didn't like Mount either and his chances to succeed in the pros wasn't very good.
Correct that Bob Leonard didn't care for Mount. A died in the wool IU guy stuck with a Boilermaker due to the drafting rules of the ABA. The starting lineup in those days had Freddie Lewis at point. Billy Keller at shooting guard and the only other place to put Mount was at small forward, so he didn't start. They also had Roger Brown and Bob Netolyki (sp) at forward, so what would you do in that case?
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