Last crack at Dickinson?
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OK. But when you say Purdue lost in the Sweet 16 with Haas playing center, that is not a fact and it is not an opinion. Haas did not play in the Sweet 16 game. Haarms started at center in that game -- the same Haarms that started in the Elite 8 game the following year. Those are facts. Maybe you made a mistake when you posted what you did, but you said it was a FACT and when your error was pointed out to you, you doubled down and called it your opinion. That is dishonest. You can't honestly claim that in your opinion something happened when the facts show that it did not.
As far as opinions go, I'm excited about Dickinson because it's my opinion that Dickinson is more like John Teske than he is Isaac Haas. Teske led Michigan to the NC game.
Teske, the latter part of his freshman year is a better comparison in my opinion
Also, there just isn't a lot of data points. In Isaacs first 2 years, Hammons was used more (Isaac average 14 minutes those 2 years). AJ was arguably an athletic mobile center, certainly an exceptional shot blocker. Isaac got more minutes his Jr year which is the one data point: S16. His Sr year he was hurt and didnt play, using Haarms.
AJ had great timing and was an exceptional shot blocker. Course those people end up giving put backs due to them helping out since that is where most blocks without fouls take place. What I never saw AJ or Haas be able to do that Dickinson does is be able to put the ball on the court as far out as Dickinson did in a video. AJ, developed a nice stroke on the 3 ball when he shot it, but can't recall him being able to get deep by dribbling the ball like maybe a Matt Haarms can...not that he will be dribbling much if he commits to Purdue, but does show a skill that could help at times
I agree. We have one E8 data point. In another thread, it's implied that Haarms is too big and immobile. Others think he is the athletic big we need. I'll add that the most athletic big in the Matt Painter era was JaJuan Johnson. He played 4 years and didn't get to the E8. Jacquil Taylor backed up Haarms in that S16 game against TT and he was probably the 2nd most athletic center. We all know their history at Purdue and the history of the teams they played on. That's why it isn't fair to single out a position and player and claim that it's the reason Purdue doesn't have more success. It's just not that simple.
Without seeing the video...the title brought it into view!
Same goes with guards. Got to get into position for a last second shot to be important
My lone opinion is that I'd rather sign Dickinson than bank the scholarship and wait for another year. there are no guarantees that we will be able to sign Furst or Chet or anyone else in 2021 that is better than Dickinson. And just like Kalk and Kesler and Carlson, if a guy is good, those other schools like UK, MSU and Duke will also be competing for their services.
To me, like any sport, if you are close to achieving something, you go all in. You don't wait until next year hoping it will be better. Go Brewers in 2019! Don't be a Cubs fan and say wait until next year.
To me, like any sport, if you are close to achieving something, you go all in. You don't wait until next year hoping it will be better. Go Brewers in 2019! Don't be a Cubs fan and say wait until next year.
This is a horrible take. HD is much more skilled as a scorer, rebounder, and jumpshooter overall than Kalkbrenner is. That’s a fact. I would be happy with either, but there’s reason HD is in the Top 40 and Kalkbrenner is in the Top 100. HINT: HD is a better player overall.
Nothing, except he’s a better scorer, jumpshooter out to 18’, and rebounder.
He’s not a FF player anymore.
Good luck to him.
I watched HD at one of the the Nike EYBL games and he dominated the competition there. He is in the top 40 for a reason.
Your logic is specious. We have never made it to the Elite Eight with a slow big center that has owned a cellular telephone. However, I would not try to claim that those two variables are positively correlated and/or causal.
It is a fact that Haas was a major factor is Purdue's offense two years ago. His injury did not allow him to play in the S16 game. It is considered accurate to say that the loss of a major player and advancing deep in the NCAA are negatively correlated - and likely causal.
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I agree with the logic of a more athletic big for defensive purposes.
But, is Dickinson all that slow? He seems to cover ground pretty well on film. Not as agile as Kalk but not as slow as Haas. More like Hammons.
Nice. Someone else mentioned Hammons. I like the sound of IUhaterade's comparison with Brad Miller. I compared Dickinson with Jon Teske at UM. If the most negative comparison this board can come up with is Isaac Haas, it would be insane not to make this guy a Boilermaker.
I'll admit we got blown away by Kansas a couple of years ago. And most people said it was because we were slow and not athletic. however did Kansas win a championship that year? and in remembering that game, it was not just one player who was at fault. it was a total team collapse and loss.
To make it to the final four, it's all about match-ups, controlling the tempo, playing fundamental no-mistake basketball, clutch shooting, and making your free throws.
I've watched some very athletic teams win a championship and also get bounced in the first and second round.
To make it to the final four, it's all about match-ups, controlling the tempo, playing fundamental no-mistake basketball, clutch shooting, and making your free throws.
I've watched some very athletic teams win a championship and also get bounced in the first and second round.
That game, from about the 10 minute mark in the first half to the 10 minute mark in the 2nd half, was some of the best basketball I've ever seen by a team. Hard to use that as an example of anything. As you note, they didn't win the title, losing their next game to Oregon I believe.
CMP has built a system based on anyone being able to take over. Compliments his recruiting and coaching style.
the last few years with Biggie and Carsen kind of contradict that motion offense style. There were several games that Biggie remained in the game just to get his double/double. I also have to believe last year's offense was sort of centered around setting up Carsen taking shots. Those two years seemed more like star centered years than sharing the ball.
Highly inaccurate analysis. First, Haas was not available for the game we lost, so his contribution to the loss was negligible. Second, Haas was not a “ big slow guy”. He was quick on his feet and could run the floor reasonably well. Not the first man down, but not the last either. He had a remarkable scoring to attempt ratio that was the envey of most of our opponents.
Haas was a nightmare mismatch for almost every team we played. I would take him and his size 26 feet anytime. He forced an enormous amount of game planning focused on him. Many thought we were a FF team his senior year, and might have been without the injury to his elbow.
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YES !! look at Swanigan's stats. Look at when he came out of games. Draw your own conclusions.
I think he is probably your #1 option during his Sophomore season.
If you had a chance to watch Carsen play in the NBA summer league games, you might have a different take. Unless you also believe that Brad Stevens' staff is giving their 2nd round draft pick the star-centered treatment.
My point is that we have NEVER made it to the elite 8 with a big slow guy. Haas was big and lumbering. You could say he was nimble for his size, but that still makes him below average athletically compared to other big men.
Whether I believe this or not, I find it fascinating that the guy who has repeatedly disparaged stats now uses them to support his argument.
dude... if you think that you haven't been paying attention.
You are still making this dishonest (and silly) argument?! We did not lose in the S16 with Haas. That is a fact that you continue to deny. We lost in the S16 with the same center that played in the E8 the following year.
Please go back and read arcb102000's post. You may learn why your stand is so illogical and silly.
Please cite the year that we made it to the elite 8 with a big slow center. Take your time. I’ll wait.
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