Agree, he would be the closest thing to a “HUGE” loss on the current roster, IMO.IMO, Trevion. Thats it
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Agree, he would be the closest thing to a “HUGE” loss on the current roster, IMO.IMO, Trevion. Thats it
for those that read this board and follow Purdue basketball on a daily basis , I can't believe many of you thought this was a shocker or caught anybody including Painter by surprise. there have been several long threads where long time posters have suggested up to three players might transfer at the end of this season. A couple of those related threads were admittedly deleted by the moderators because they became too personal .
and those knowledgeable people are also knowledgeable about the end of season reviews Painter has with his players, and the fact that many players have left Purdue to go to other schools. the list is rather long of payers transferring from Purdue. and Purdue has a long list of accepting transfers.
ultimately it's the player's decision, much like football. However, I am not naïve to believe that sometimes Painter had some influence in the player making that decision. and in some cases, it appeared the Painter helped that player find a new home. Didn't we have a player transfer to IUPUI ?
Under the new power 5 league rules, no player in football or basketball can have their 4 year scholarship rescinded. however, I have to believe that both in football and basketball, tha t coaches were honest with players, and players accepted their advice and decided to look elsewhere. it happens at all of the major programs including UK, Kansas and Duke.
I also have to believe in 95% of the cases, a player has talked to his coach before making a decision, and also before that decision is announced publically.
To me, to suggest that this was a total shock or surprise is a little naïve. I'm sorry after reading some of Brian's other articles about player decisions, his credibility is no longer 100%. Yet people still believe him. I'm personally just a tad skeptical when I read stuff like the coaching staff was blind sided or surprised by his decision. it was the same coaching staff that only played him more than 20 minutes in one of the last 12 games. and that game went into overtime. That's kind of sending a message. The coaching staff had already decided to go in a different direction. Is it any surprise or shock that the player looked at his minutes and his future role and also decided to go in a different direction? Isn't that what both Stephens and Taylor did ? rather than being bench players, they went somewhere else where they could play.
and Painter wished them well in their future endeavors. At some point in time, and after re-occurrence takes place, a person begins to speculate that what he reads from the media and the coach isn't always the entire story or forthcoming. I've never heard Painter say a bad word about a player leaving including Ewing and Smotherman. .
I wish Haarms well, and he probably does need a new start somewhere else. But I don't believe his move will lead to becoming a star elsewhere or a path to the NBA. I also don't believe it was a surprise or shock to Painter or his coaching staff or players. .
Dowuona played in 9 games last year for 31 minutes. He scored 12 points, had 8 boards, and 3 blocks. That's not actually a bad per-40 average.
I'm not suggesting he's for certain the answer, but I'm certainly saying I don't think we can base much of anything on his very limited opportunities thus far.
No- A backup 5 who averages 9 and 5 is not a “HUGE” loss. Tough loss, yes. It sucks, and I wish he was staying.So, Haarms isn’t a huge loss? Then go right out to your 7-foot-3 tree and pick another one.
And make damned sure he runs the floor, shoots everywhere with touch -- at least 58 percent for his career, blocks over 200 shots, alters hundreds more and has three years of game work.
Just two (2) players on this team shot better than 42 percent for the year. Both shot better than 51 percent. It’s absolutely absurd that they were No. 5 and No. 6 in minutes played, splitting time while everyone else threw bricks all year. The result was 16-15.
Meanwhile the only other player on the team over 6-10 got less game experience than Luce.
No, no big deal. None at all.
I feel shrew has been unfairly judged by some people. While we admittedly haven't been any good with him on staff, we also have had major talent issues when he's been here. He hasn't had a chance yet to work with any talented teams at Purdue.What makes you think that?
Should he have let the coaching staff and teammates know during the season? It’s always going to be a shock to a coaching staff when a player that seems so bought in decides to leave. It doesn’t matter when he told them. This is a sour grapes comment.The character flaw is in blind siding everyone, including the coaching staff. For as much as he gave Purdue, he was also given a scholarship so it shows a little lack of respect to all of us let alone the coaching staff that put actual time with him just up and leave without a word.
As I have said a few times I wish him well with his choice to leave and I am not dogging him as a whole, just expected more respect for at least the coaching staff from him.
This. If you think he sucks, then you also have to say that Painter and Stevens are both absolute morons for hiring the guy TWICE.I feel shrew has been unfairly judged by some people. While we admittedly haven't been any good with him on staff, we also have had major talent issues when he's been here. He hasn't had a chance yet to work with any talented teams at Purdue.
I would tend to agree... It’s still early April.Should he have let the coaching staff and teammates know during the season? It’s always going to be a shock to a coaching staff when a player that seems so bought in decides to leave. It doesn’t matter when he told them. This is a sour grapes comment.
I agree we won't be able to find some with near the quality or experience. Still feel we need someone that at least has some college experience to help give us more depth. Who knows, maybe edey or dow will surprise us and it will be a moot point. Just not sure we can count on that which is why i think we badly need a transfer now.Agree on the last point, and, while I am hopeful as well on the transfer market point...there just is not a lot of quality options there, nor will there be likely. Hard to replace someone that played as much as he had in three years with someone remotely of the same quality, never mind with similar experience.
I have beer, a 6' bar and would LOVE to spend time talking with you ... c'mon over.It's really kind of amazing how some on here try and make everything about them whether directly or indirectly.
I mean at this point who cares? The season is over, it's irrelevant to whats going on now and I am out of beer!
there's that elephant in the lockerroom I mentioned before!!!I completely agree with this. Based on how these guys played up and down, along with the "personal issues", there's something dysfunctional somewhere.
Just as long as you guys are at opposite ends of the 6’ bar!!I have beer, a 6' bar and would LOVE to spend time talking with you ... c'mon over.
If you think that is sour grapes, then you don't know me one bit. My comments aren't even remotely ill will oriented and you're sort of just reaching at this point. It's quite simply a respect thing you do and he simply could of called (because of on lockdown) coach Painter but it appears he chose to let them know second hand.Should he have let the coaching staff and teammates know during the season? It’s always going to be a shock to a coaching staff when a player that seems so bought in decides to leave. It doesn’t matter when he told them. This is a sour grapes comment.
Well your bar would be deemed as essential at this point so if I got stopped on the way there, I have an excuse at leastI have beer, a 6' bar and would LOVE to spend time talking with you ... c'mon over.
I have always liked and trusted you ... now this ....Re: believing Brian. I don't believe ANYTHING said on here by ANYBODY!!!
Not your average backup. Unless Tre’s conditioning dramatically improves, Haarms and him were probably going to split the 5 minutes again. That, plus any minutes either one might have flexed over to the 4 in a big lineup. Haarms could have had a big role next year. The fact is whoever replaces his minutes, even if they are just “backup minutes”, is likely not going to be as good of an option as a senior Haarms. This 100% hurts the 2020-21 team.I don’t ever consider it shocking when a backup who is eligible to grad transfer, transfers. Same with Sandi, JT, etc. Might be another one next year, who knows?
Didn’t say he was an average backup. And that wasn’t my point. Point is, I’m not ever surprised when grad transfer candidates, who are backups, transfer to schools where they can start.Not your average backup. Unless Tre’s conditioning dramatically improves, Haarms and him were probably going to split the 5 minutes again. That, plus any minutes either one might have flexed over to the 4 in a big lineup. The fact is whoever replaces his minutes, even if they are just “backup minutes”, is likely not going to be as good of an option as a Senior Haarms. This 100% hurts the 2020-21 team.
He was a sixth man with borderline starter minutes (for a big). He could have played 25 mpg next year easily. I’m guessing if there HAD been a conversation with Painter about his level of dissatisfaction they could have found a few more mpg at the 4 spot to keep him around. It’s not like we have a bonafide starter at that position. That’s the shocking part to me.Didn’t say he was an average backup. And that wasn’t my point. Point is, I’m not ever surprised when grad transfer candidates, who are backups, transfer to schools where they can start.
If that was an option, it would have happened this year, right?He was a sixth man with borderline starter minutes (for a big). He could have played 25 mpg next year easily. I’m guessing if there HAD been a conversation with Painter about his level of dissatisfaction they could have found a few more mpg at the 4 spot to keep him around. It’s not like we have a bonafide starter at that position. That’s the shocking part to me.
Not your average backup. Unless Tre’s conditioning dramatically improves, Haarms and him were probably going to split the 5 minutes again. That, plus any minutes either one might have flexed over to the 4 in a big lineup. Haarms could have had a big role next year. The fact is whoever replaces his minutes, even if they are just “backup minutes”, is likely not going to be as good of an option as a senior Haarms. This 100% hurts the 2020-21 team.
He won’t be getting more than 18-20 min at any of those schools. Grass isn’t always greenerAccording to Rivals, Duke, UK and Arizona are expected to make a run at him.
He COULD have started at Purdue...he did start at Purdue...this is not a mpg matter.Didn’t say he was an average backup. And that wasn’t my point. Point is, I’m not ever surprised when grad transfer candidates, who are backups, transfer to schools where they can start.
I’m a little surprised he’s not going to go play pro ball somewhere. He’s 23 years old already and 7 footers don’t age like fine wine...He won’t be getting more than 18-20 min at any of those schools. Grass isn’t always greener
He won’t be getting more than 18-20 min at any of those schools. Grass isn’t always greener
again, that wasn’t my point...anytime you have a graduate, who’s playing backup minutes, with a year of eligibility left, I am never surprised if they transfer. Just like I won’t be a year from now if we have someone else in the same situation...He COULD have started at Purdue...he did start at Purdue...this is not a mpg matter.
There are not a lot of situations out there, at least at the level that he is/was playing at, that are truly better situations.
I still say the bigger issue is the class balance matter, and, the recruiting problems that it has caused before and will cause again...no better example than the '17 class for that matter...Purdue is not a program that can replace 4 and 5 guys at a time and have success...it failed to do so in '17 and we saw the results of that this year (and may see them again a year from now)...they will struggle to recruit for a cycle again now with at least four freshman likely a year from now, only to have to try to replace it four years later...all while trying to convince someone to come in and fill the 5 with two guys in front of them for the short-term at least...and, while ideally trying to add more talent to the talent of what is now going to be the '20 class.
A developmental program generally does not see someone that has played significant minutes and had significant experience suddenly leave at the apex of their career and in their final year.
We’ll see.He won’t be getting more than 18-20 min at any of those schools. Grass isn’t always greener
This. I mean, I really like Matt and wish he would have stayed, but we have won B1G championships and gone into the 2nd weekend of the NCAA the year after losing better players than him.Maybe it will help our defensive rebounding quite a bit.
Haarms was a decent player. He did some things very well for us. Helped win us some games while he was here. But let's stop acting like he was Bill Russell. We replaced Caleb Swanigan, had a great season afterward. We replaced one of the most prolific classes ever to go through Purdue, had a great season afterward.
We can still have a good season after losing our 20 mpg center. We just have to take inventory of what we have and put them in a good position to succeed.
I would bet that if I (or anyone else) spent the time, literally dozens of examples could be offered of guys that were not in near as good a situation as Haarms that did not transfer.again, that wasn’t my point...anytime you have a graduate, who’s playing backup minutes, with a year of eligibility left, I am never surprised if they transfer. Just like I won’t be a year from now if we have someone else in the same situation...
Interestingmy updated projected rotation
1 Morton/Thompson
2 Hunter/Ivey
3 Newman/Stefanovic
4 Gillis/Eastern/Wheeler
5 Williams/Dowuona/Edey
Kentucky fans want haarms BAD, and it sounds like he would be their starter most likely. I would not be surprised at all if he lands there, as it sounds like he may still have nba aspirations. Either way im still very disappointed he won't be on our team next year.I think Haarms experience is the huge loss. I think he would have brought stability to a still young team next year. He’s as solid as a role player as you’ll find and he’s played in a lot of big games and knows the system. He could have been the leader.
He had weaknesses. He wasn’t going to be a star.
I don’t think Tre could have been C all year with his current conditioning. Hence more Boudreaux. We’ll see how that improves.
Tre has been foul prone and that took him out of a lot of games. Again, we’ll see how that improves.
As far as going somewhere else, I’m not sure. I don’t think it’s ill will. I think he feels he’s reached his peak in Purdue’s system. He’s a college kid. Kids change their minds a lot about what they want. Maybe he just wants to be a spot shooter rather than flash posts moves mainly. Not sure. His current shot, albeit improved, isn’t going to get him to the next level. I don’t see him playing more at a Duke or Kentucky. Much less actually.
I’ll have to wait and see where he picks to understand his motives. I will miss him and wish him the best.
Kentucky fans want haarms BAD, and it sounds like he would be their starter most likely. I would not be surprised at all if he lands there, as it sounds like he may still have nba aspirations. Either way im still very disappointed he won't be on our team next year.
This is what happens when you redshirt players. You put all that time, effort, and resources into them only to have another program reap the benefit of their senior year. As ive said all year long, was not a fan of painter deciding to redshirt gillis and newman. Now we also have two very unbalanced classes, with the only frosh this year being thompson, and 5 next year. Just not a fan of that type of roster management.
Irrelevant...had Purdue not brought him in when they did and red-shirted him, this whole topic would be as well. Hindsight is always 20/20...backfired in this instance, and, could as well with the decisions made this year.To be clear, you would have played him 1/2 the year (well, starting in January) his FR year?
He comes to campus in January, and you would have immediately put him on the floor.
Again this is in no way similar to the 2 players that redshirted this year. Haarms came mid year , because he was sitting around not playing because he was ineligible his senior year. Would you rather Purdue played him and in effect lose a year of eligibility for 1 semester. Facts are when you are loyal to a kid and allow him to come in a semester early in order to get started on his academics and practice with team you expect that that kid will show loyalty to the program.Kentucky fans want haarms BAD, and it sounds like he would be their starter most likely. I would not be surprised at all if he lands there, as it sounds like he may still have nba aspirations. Either way im still very disappointed he won't be on our team next year.
This is what happens when you redshirt players. You put all that time, effort, and resources into them only to have another program reap the benefit of their senior year. As ive said all year long, was not a fan of painter deciding to redshirt gillis and newman. Now we also have two very unbalanced classes, with the only frosh this year being thompson, and 5 next year. Just not a fan of that type of roster management.