Indiana at Purdue: MASTER DISCUSSION THREAD

[tjreese]

Butler ?

FWIW, Butler is where his great uncle played in the mid 60s. He was a good player that I watched as a youngster. Notice the number on Gene...Matt and Brian both had/have it. My brother-in-law fixed Gene up with his wife!

Gene Milner - Indiana Basketball Hall of Fame

Coached by HOF coach Phil Buck...4-year letterman for the Hornets ...held the Rossville Career Scoring Record for 25 years (1641 points)...scored 40+ points 8 times in career...state’s leading scorer as a senior...All-Conference, All-Sectional, All-County & All-State as senior...played for HOF...

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[Do Dah Day]

FWIW, Butler is where his great uncle played in the mid 60s. He was a good player that I watched as a youngster. Notice the number on Gene...Matt and Brian both had/have it. My brother-in-law fixed Gene up with his wife!

Gene Milner - Indiana Basketball Hall of Fame

Coached by HOF coach Phil Buck...4-year letterman for the Hornets ...held the Rossville Career Scoring Record for 25 years (1641 points)...scored 40+ points 8 times in career...state’s leading scorer as a senior...All-Conference, All-Sectional, All-County & All-State as senior...played for HOF...

hoopshall.com

who was the son of the Rossville coach that played at Wisconsin?

 

[tjreese]

who was the son of the Rossville coach that played at Wisconsin?

Brian Good. Dad also coached at FRankfort. Nice guy really short. Brian was taller

Brian Good - Head Men's Basketball Coach - Staff Directory - Wingate University Athletics

Brian Good enters his 17th season as the head men's basketball coach in the 2024-25 season. The program's all-time leader in career wins, Good has compiled a 274-191

wingatebulldogs.com

 

[qazplm]

Yes, Zach was not expected to handle the ball adn bring it up. He was not expected to break presses. Zach was not expected to defend the best perimeter play or jam the ball. Zach's role was different. Zach's role was to rebound, defend the rim, set high screens and roll down the lane and seal his man for a short jump hook or back his player down. His role was different than other players, but he had a role and was more expanded than some. EVERY player on a team has a role. Some are more expanded than others. Some are givers and others takers. Some defend the best perimeter player. Those with "expanded" roles are those that have a more free reign to do more things. Braden's role is much different than any other player on the team. Trey's role is different than Braden's.

I don't think your thoughts are that different...it is just that I like to think that every player has a role and that role is how the coach determines a starting five and the subbing thereafter based upon the role that is needed. Too many announcers talk as though only certain players have a role and other players do what they want, but that isn't true...even though some are allowed to do a lot and for those players THAT is their role to be as good as they can within a larger scope.

Yes and some roles are to be focus players and others are to be role players.

Edey was THE focus of the offense his last two seasons. That didn't change based on the game plan. There's nothing wrong with being a role player.

Edey was a role player his first two seasons too.
You imply an issue where none exists unless you have an ego, in which case, the solution is to get better until you become the or one of the focus players.

 

[tjreese]

Yes and some roles are to be focus players and others are to be role players.

Edey was THE focus of the offense his last two seasons. That didn't change based on the game plan. There's nothing wrong with being a role player.

Edey was a role player his first two seasons too.
You imply an issue where none exists unless you have an ego, in which case, the solution is to get better until you become the or one of the focus players.

Not at all. What I tried to state was that the "role" differs between players and every person has a role. If the guy is focused as you say he has an expanded role, but it is not all inclusive of all the roles needed for a team. I think that understanding helps identify that there are strengths and weaknesses in every player and so naturally you want to use their strengths without magnifying their weakness. When players stay in their roles...however large, small or focused as you say the team is better than when they move outside their roles.

That is my belief and thought you shared that, but thought it only extended to some players. It isn't important because neither of us are coaching a team and how we think about roles is insignificant to Purdue.

 

[Bank Shot Podcast]

I always preferred to state that ALL players are role players, but some players role's are more expanded than others. It is more accurate IMO.

Technically.... Correct. Everyone on a team has a role. Obviously we just use different terms to further categorize specific roles.

 

[boilermaker75]

Don't worry the next hire will be fired as well.

Yep, meet the new coach, same as the old coach.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Not at all. What I tried to state was that the "role" differs between players and every person has a role. If the guy is focused as you say he has an expanded role, but it is not all inclusive of all the roles needed for a team. I think that understanding helps identify that there are strengths and weaknesses in every player and so naturally you want to use their strengths without magnifying their weakness. When players stay in their roles...however large, small or focused as you say the team is better than when they move outside their roles.

That is my belief and thought you shared that, but thought it only extended to some players. It isn't important because neither of us are coaching a team and how we think about roles is insignificant to Purdue.

It's all a definition of what a "role player" is. I get TJ's point that all players have "roles." No matter how good they are. It's just that the common definition of a role player is a middle-of-the-road kind of player. That they do a certain thing well.

 

[purduedavie]

Butler ?

If he’s studying pharmacy like his dad did it makes perfect sense. Not sure he’d play much there but maybe he would?

 

[Jbigler1986]

I've been watching TKR screens all year and he almost does a moving screen every time. So not surprised some finally got called.

 

[tjreese]

It's all a definition of what a "role player" is. I get TJ's point that all players have "roles." No matter how good they are. It's just that the common definition of a role player is a middle-of-the-road kind of player. That they do a certain thing well.

I think the common definition is for casual observers who also like to hear all the things an announcer will say that has nothing to do with what happened or what is going on. I think most on this forum could tell you Caleb's role and so forth because I believe people here are more astute. If Matt subs a player in on D and a different on O even if they play the same position...Matt is looking for that player as a better player for what Matt wants at the time. As you know that doesn't mean Matt doesn't expect some things from all players...like pass and catch, talk on D, hit the boards and so forth. The common definition implies that a "role" player has limited abilities, but even the best players have limited abilities in some areas. Grady was described by many as a role player. That said Grady was expected to fill in the voids that was missing...hit a high percent of shots, find the rebounds, handle the ball, play D and make good decisions. He didn't need a lot of shots and was incapable of being as effective if he had he shot more. He spread the court by being a threat...a very effective threat to knock down the three ball. Mason was a catch and shoot player...rarely a compliment with a dribble, intelligent player that brought physicality to the team and great effort, but not one depended on to bring the ball up, but maybe one to take the ball out due to his intelligence to make the right pass to another player that was a ballhandler or a shooter if you knew they were going to foul.

We all know these things. I just prefer to emphasize that all players have strengths and weaknesses that create the conditions coaches see them in their roles and try to place them accordingly. Trey is a really good player for Purdue, but could there be times you want him replaced with a better shooter in the closing seconds if the opposition is going to foul. I just prefer to think that there are players that "are not the main focus" that are critical for success that have very important roles even if limited in scope to those that generally have broader roles. If others don't that is fine.