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I.U. at Purdue

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Back to our normal kind of play, down quickly 26-11 in the second quarter. Although only 4 TO's so far. 39-24 at the half. Final 77-57. A very disappointing season. So many games we weren't competitive. Probably B10 tourney out of reach as well since Rutgers was up on Penn State. Now, what happens? Will we have people leave? Will we have commits de-commit? Can we even get someone decent out of the portal or even try?
 
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Gals are hustling, playing with energy - execution is hit and miss for sure - I just hope they can make a game of it. Regardless of how we feel about the coaching, these young women deserve some support and props for hanging in there during a very rough season.

I’m happy to see the spark in their approach to the game today.
McCarthy playing hard and having some success - good to see.

Crowd with a lot of IU fans there… not surprised but ugh!

Gotta head out for prior commitment. Will check the r score when I can. Good luck Lady Boilers - leave it all in the floor!
 
77-57 final IU wins. Rutgers up 9 on PSU with under 5 left in the game so it looks like the season is over, THANKFULLY.

IU is weak up front, so of course we start Bass so we can be just as weak as IU. One of IU's best players is Garzon so of course we put Collier on her. I swear a drunk squirrel could make better coaching decisions than this staff does.
 
77-57 final IU wins. Rutgers up 9 on PSU with under 5 left in the game so it looks like the season is over, THANKFULLY.

IU is weak up front, so of course we start Bass so we can be just as weak as IU. One of IU's best players is Garzon so of course we put Collier on her. I swear a drunk squirrel could make better coaching decisions than this staff does.
Thankfully, this is the last time we have to put up with your ragging on Bass and Collier...it's not their fault we had the season we did.
 
Thankfully, this is the last time we have to put up with your ragging on Bass and Collier...it's not their fault we had the season we did.
Their fault, no. But when you sign up to play Big Ten basketball it comes with expectations. When you are utterly unable to compete at this level, you should expect to be criticized for it. Its certainly a much larger indictment of our coaches that players that are so obviously not capable of playing at this level start and play huge minutes while younger players who are better and need the development time waste away on the bench.

Attitudes like yours are a large part of why we kept Versyp for 15 years, because we don't want to be critical of the players or coach, we will just hold our rosary tighter and pray next season is miraculously better when all evidence shows the coaching staff is at their ceiling already. Not trying to attack you personally, but I get frustrated by the attitude "don't criticize them, they're just girls and they are doing their best!". Its a losers attitude and its why Purdue is a loser program and has been for over a decade.
 
Their fault, no. But when you sign up to play Big Ten basketball it comes with expectations. When you are utterly unable to compete at this level, you should expect to be criticized for it. Its certainly a much larger indictment of our coaches that players that are so obviously not capable of playing at this level start and play huge minutes while younger players who are better and need the development time waste away on the bench.

Attitudes like yours are a large part of why we kept Versyp for 15 years, because we don't want to be critical of the players or coach, we will just hold our rosary tighter and pray next season is miraculously better when all evidence shows the coaching staff is at their ceiling already. Not trying to attack you personally, but I get frustrated by the attitude "don't criticize them, they're just girls and they are doing their best!". Its a losers attitude and its why Purdue is a loser program and has been for over a decade.
I suggest you go back and review/read my posts regarding the coach. I've indicated on multiple occasions that I'm ready to move on from this experiment, pay the buyout and get started on the new era. Unfortunately, it is very unlikely that will happen. However, there is no reason to rag on these two on Senior Day.
 
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Their fault, no. But when you sign up to play Big Ten basketball it comes with expectations. When you are utterly unable to compete at this level, you should expect to be criticized for it. Its certainly a much larger indictment of our coaches that players that are so obviously not capable of playing at this level start and play huge minutes while younger players who are better and need the development time waste away on the bench.

Attitudes like yours are a large part of why we kept Versyp for 15 years, because we don't want to be critical of the players or coach, we will just hold our rosary tighter and pray next season is miraculously better when all evidence shows the coaching staff is at their ceiling already. Not trying to attack you personally, but I get frustrated by the attitude "don't criticize them, they're just girls and they are doing their best!". Its a losers attitude and its why Purdue is a loser program and has been for over a decade.
Which young player wasted away on the bench. Not Jones, not Swanson, not Laden the time she was healthy. The freshmen McCarthy and Peryear both played over 17 minutes per game which were reduced by their tendebcy to get themselves in foul trouble. The points Renolds and Poole were injured most of the season and the older Renolds was injured all season. So I honestly have bo idea what you mean. It was a long and trying season for all parties involved, and thankfully it is over. With a 10 and 19 win-loss record I doubt Purdue is invited to any postseason tournament. Wait till next season...
 
Which young player wasted away on the bench. Not Jones, not Swanson, not Laden the time she was healthy. The freshmen McCarthy and Peryear both played over 17 minutes per game which were reduced by their tendebcy to get themselves in foul trouble. The points Renolds and Poole were injured most of the season and the older Renolds was injured all season. So I honestly have bo idea what you mean. It was a long and trying season for all parties involved, and thankfully it is over. With a 10 and 19 win-loss record I doubt Purdue is invited to any postseason tournament. Wait till next season...

I think Swanson, Layden, and Jones could have all had another 5-8 minutes a night instead of the ineffective portal players, and starting the portal ineffectual players? Ridiculous IMHO.
 
I think Swanson, Layden, and Jones could have all had another 5-8 minutes a night instead of the ineffective portal players, and starting the portal ineffectual players? Ridiculous IMHO.
Yes, I would have like Jones and Swanson to play more minutes. Laden was hobbled by injuries all year so I think her minutes were about right. All the underclassmen played and all showed some strengths, relatively speaking. But saying they wasted on the bench is stretching it a bit. Here is to hoping they all come back next season.
 
I suggest you go back and review/read my posts regarding the coach. I've indicated on multiple occasions that I'm ready to move on from this experiment, pay the buyout and get started on the new era. Unfortunately, it is very unlikely that will happen. However, there is no reason to rag on these two on Senior Day.
Yeah, I think saying that Bass and Collier are "utterly incapable of competing" in the B1G is a little over the top.

Neither were game changers, that's true. (I didn't necessarily expect Bass to be. And I definitely didn't expect Collier to be.) Both were asked to do more than they realistically could. That's more on the coaching staff than the players. Still, for all her defensive liabilities, Collier did shoot 41% from three. No player does that is utterly incapable.
 
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Yeah, I think saying that Bass and Collier are "utterly incapable of competing" in the B1G is a little over the top.

Neither were game changers, that's true. (I didn't necessarily expect Bass to be. And I definitely didn't expect Collier to be.) Both were asked to do more than they realistically could. That's more on the coaching staff than the players. Still, for all her defensive liabilities, Collier did shoot 41% from three. No player does that is utterly incapable.
Ideally Bass was a 6-7th type player, Collier a speciality one, I have zero problem with them being here, it’s not their fault that they were asked to play thus many minutes. I agree, they surely didn’t deserve the wrath and scorn, I’m sure they gave their all. In the postgame Coach mentioned getting better players in the portal, I hope this is true, picking up girls that averaged 8 and 5 at a MAC school is fine if they’re practice players 10-12 player types, they shouldn’t be starting though.
 
Ideally Bass was a 6-7th type player, Collier a speciality one, I have zero problem with them being here, it’s not their fault that they were asked to play thus many minutes. I agree, they surely didn’t deserve the wrath and scorn, I’m sure they gave their all. In the postgame Coach mentioned getting better players in the portal, I hope this is true, picking up girls that averaged 8 and 5 at a MAC school is fine if they’re practice players 10-12 player types, they shouldn’t be starting though.
Agree, but Bass was a 16/10 player last year at Akron. I honestly thought she'd do more at Purdue. But I never saw her as a magic bullet.
 
Ideally Bass was a 6-7th type player, Collier a speciality one, I have zero problem with them being here, it’s not their fault that they were asked to play thus many minutes. I agree, they surely didn’t deserve the wrath and scorn, I’m sure they gave their all. In the postgame Coach mentioned getting better players in the portal, I hope this is true, picking up girls that averaged 8 and 5 at a MAC school is fine if they’re practice players 10-12 player types, they shouldn’t be starting though

Bass was a double double player her last two years at Akron. Collier should not have been recruited as she physically is so overmatched there are VERY few Big Ten wings she can defend adequately. It hurts even more that she is so passive on both ends of the floor. Yeah she hits a good percentage on her threes, but she shoots such a very low volume per minutes played she cannot be considered anything but a non-existent player on both ends of the floor. Some think I have been hard on the portal players, but if this was the men's team with starters playing that way, do you think anyone would be chiming in to say, "hey, they are trying, just be happy to watch them stand around doing nothing"??? If not, why are we treating the women's team like little china dolls not deserving of criticisms unless you think women are not to be treated equally???
 
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Which young player wasted away on the bench. Not Jones, not Swanson, not Laden the time she was healthy. The freshmen McCarthy and Peryear both played over 17 minutes per game which were reduced by their tendebcy to get themselves in foul trouble. The points Renolds and Poole were injured most of the season and the older Renolds was injured all season. So I honestly have bo idea what you mean. It was a long and trying season for all parties involved, and thankfully it is over. With a 10 and 19 win-loss record I doubt Purdue is invited to any postseason tournament. Wait till next season...
Good point, although the 4 transfers were brought in, none of them really took away developmental time from our underclassmen. Swanson averaged 19.2 mins before this last game, so you could say she could of used another 5-7 mins, but is she really going to be a ton better if she had gotten 5-7 more mins a game? That's tough to tell or see. Maybe she's more worn down, she also had a knack for picking up alot of fouls too. She fouled out 6 times this season haha.

In hindsight, knowing how bad this season went, I wish CKG would of gotten a couple multi year transfers instead, even if they weren't ready to contribute as much as our 5th year transfers did.
 
Good point, although the 4 transfers were brought in, none of them really took away developmental time from our underclassmen. Swanson averaged 19.2 mins before this last game, so you could say she could of used another 5-7 mins, but is she really going to be a ton better if she had gotten 5-7 more mins a game? That's tough to tell or see. Maybe she's more worn down, she also had a knack for picking up alot of fouls too. She fouled out 6 times this season haha.

In hindsight, knowing how bad this season went, I wish CKG would of gotten a couple multi year transfers instead, even if they weren't ready to contribute as much as our 5th year transfers did.
I believe CKG would have gotten multi- year transfers if she could. She was shopping out of the clearance bin because the quality transfers were not interested in coming to a mediocre at best team and coach.
 
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Collier would've been perfectly fine for us this year - as a role player coming off the bench for offense when our offense stalled. But as fate had it - she was forced into playing much more time than I believe she was recruited for as Smith apparently decided she had a enough and stopped playing and Mila's season-ending injury. I believe those two were ahead of her but without them she had to play more. And then when it was clear the season was over I think KG played her as a reward for being a 5th year senior. She also had several really good games against lesser teams of course. She had good games vs. Wisconsin, NW and Washington.

She played admirably all year - in a role she was forced into - and was not the reason we were atrocious. If you want to blame this season on someone look elsewhere.
 
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Collier would've been perfectly fine for us this year - as a role player coming off the bench for offense when our offense stalled. But as fate had it - she was forced into playing much more time than I believe she was recruited for as Smith apparently decided she had a enough and stopped playing and Mila's season-ending injury. I believe those two were ahead of her but without them she had to play more. And then when it was clear the season was over I think KG played her as a reward for being a 5th year senior. She also had several really good games against lesser teams of course. She had good games vs. Wisconsin, NW and Washington.

She played admirably all year - in a role she was forced into - and was not the reason we were atrocious. If you want to blame this season on someone look elsewhere.
Good point about Collier. I forgot about the injuries.
 
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Collier would've been perfectly fine for us this year - as a role player coming off the bench for offense when our offense stalled. But as fate had it - she was forced into playing much more time than I believe she was recruited for as Smith apparently decided she had a enough and stopped playing and Mila's season-ending injury. I believe those two were ahead of her but without them she had to play more. And then when it was clear the season was over I think KG played her as a reward for being a 5th year senior. She also had several really good games against lesser teams of course. She had good games vs. Wisconsin, NW and Washington.

She played admirably all year - in a role she was forced into - and was not the reason we were atrocious. If you want to blame this season on someone look elsewhere.

I am not hating on Collier, she is probably a wonderful person. But as a Big Ten basketball player, she was never going to be good enough, that's why she was NAIA and had very few offers before Purdue offered her.

Smith has only ever shown brief glimpses of being a good player, so saying Collier was behind her in the rotation is wishful thinking. Harper was just another bad offer and was never going to help other than 5 fouls to throw at someone.

Collier cannot guard anyone in the Big Ten well, she is just way too slow and tentative. Collier would not shoot unless WIDE open, and only really poor teams gave her those shots. We were beating them anyway, so she really added nothing there of value either. You are right about one thing, its not Collier's fault she was put in the position to look terrible as a player all year, it was Gearld's. Best shooter she has ever seen my ass.
 
AGAIN.

She WAS good enough. As a role player and NOT a starter against top 10-15-20 teams. She worked extremely hard and deserved this opportunity and she produced decently. But she shouldn't have been a 25+ minute starter against the likes of USC UCLA MD IU OSU MSU ILL - so on and so forth.

I am perfectly fine with recruiting her. She did much more than Petree who was a D1 player for 4 years. I get that she, for some unknown reason, has replaced Spider as your end of the season whippin post but you are misguided if you continue to harp on her play. She did relatively good and would've been great coming off the bench and giving us some depth if Smith and Mila were able to play out on the wing or if Petree could've performed better.

You ARE hating on a kid that doesn't deserve it. She is a talented basketball player - no non-D1 talent comes in and averages 6 ppg against our extremely tough schedule against truly elite teams.
 
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AGAIN.

She WAS good enough. As a role player and NOT a starter against top 10-15-20 teams. She worked extremely hard and deserved this opportunity and she produced decently. But she shouldn't have been a 25+ minute starter against the likes of USC UCLA MD IU OSU MSU ILL - so on and so forth.

I am perfectly fine with recruiting her. She did much more than Petree who was a D1 player for 4 years. I get that she, for some unknown reason, has replaced Spider as your end of the season whippin post but you are misguided if you continue to harp on her play. She did relatively good and would've been great coming off the bench and giving us some depth if Smith and Mila were able to play out on the wing or if Petree could've performed better.

You ARE hating on a kid that doesn't deserve it. She is a talented basketball player - no non-D1 talent comes in and averages 6 ppg against our extremely tough schedule against truly elite teams.
So if she played less minutes so that she shot even less while playing poor defense, she would have been fine? By that logic Alaina is the team's MVP for not playing at all.......... SMDH
 
I believe CKG would have gotten multi- year transfers if she could. She was shopping out of the clearance bin because the quality transfers were not interested in coming to a mediocre at best team and coach.
Well, CKG better figure out a way to find some impactful transfers this offseason or I don't think it'll be much better next year..

I like Jones, Puryear, Layden, and Swanson, but they need help if we want to get back to the middle of the big ten next year(which I believe would save CKG's job).
 
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So if she played less minutes so that she shot even less while playing poor defense, she would have been fine? By that logic Alaina is the team's MVP for not playing at all.......... SMDH

She ranked 4th on the team in steals and only committed 45 fouls on the year. She was also 1 of only 3 players on the team with positive assist to turnover ratio. 55/43. So this "horrible defense" agenda your pushing isn't being back up by stats. She was also one of our more efficient facilitators on a team filled with players constantly giving the ball up.

If you want to go after any player about not being "D1 material" go after Petree who was playing in her 6th D1 season and she didn't reach double figures in a single game. 8 pts was her season high against an awful Indiana State team.
 
AGAIN.

She WAS good enough. As a role player and NOT a starter against top 10-15-20 teams. She worked extremely hard and deserved this opportunity and she produced decently. But she shouldn't have been a 25+ minute starter against the likes of USC UCLA MD IU OSU MSU ILL - so on and so forth.

I am perfectly fine with recruiting her. She did much more than Petree who was a D1 player for 4 years. I get that she, for some unknown reason, has replaced Spider as your end of the season whippin post but you are misguided if you continue to harp on her play. She did relatively good and would've been great coming off the bench and giving us some depth if Smith and Mila were able to play out on the wing or if Petree could've performed better.

You ARE hating on a kid that doesn't deserve it. She is a talented basketball player - no non-D1 talent comes in and averages 6 ppg against our extremely tough schedule against truly elite teams.
I actually thought she would of fit better with last years team that created more open looks because of Ellis, Terry.

We could of used another guard that could create her own shot. I'm with you, this isn't Colliers fault, and she seemed like a good teammate, fought through back problems to be out there. She was just put on a team that couldn't showcase her strengths(shooting) enough.
 
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I actually thought she would of fit better with last years team that created more open looks because of Ellis, Terry.

We could of used another guard that could create her own shot. I'm with you, this isn't Colliers fault, and she seemed like a good teammate, fought through back problems to be out there. She was just put on a team that couldn't showcase her strengths(shooting) enough.

Because we went through the season without an actual point guard. You are not going to win ANYTHING in this league without a PG. We came into the season relying on 2 freshmen - one coming off a major injury. Instead of IDK finding a experienced TRUE point in the portal - they decided to go on an all-wing diet. I said this last spring. Shouting it from the rooftops. This team was horribly put together. I am not surprised this season crashed and burned the way it did. I knew that if our rookie points weren't ready - and clearly they were not - and given our schedule - we'd struggle mightily.

But then again WHO COMES INTO A SEASON RELY 10000% ON TWO ROOKIE POINTS?!? Did this coaching staff even WANT to compete against elite competition?!? Like - this isn't rocket science. This is building a team 101.
 
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Because we went through the season without an actual point guard. You are not going to win ANYTHING in this league without a PG. We came into the season relying on 2 freshmen - one coming off a major injury. Instead of IDK finding a experienced TRUE point in the portal - they decided to go on an all-wing diet. I said this last spring. Shouting it from the rooftops. This team was horribly put together. I am not surprised this season crashed and burned the way it did. I knew that if our rookie points weren't ready - and clearly they were not - and given our schedule - we'd struggle mightily.

But then again WHO COMES INTO A SEASON RELY 10000% ON TWO ROOKIE POINTS?!? Did this coaching staff even WANT to compete against elite competition?!? Like - this isn't rocket science. This is building a team 101.
The reason that seems logical to me is CKG thought either Poole and Amiyah would be ready, or that they wouldn't be quite ready but CKG didn't want to disparage them and stunt their growth by bringing in a PG who would take their minutes. Or as discussed, Gearlds couldn't recruit anyone good enough to come play for her.

Obviously in hindsight they barely played so it wouldn't have mattered.
 
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She ranked 4th on the team in steals and only committed 45 fouls on the year. She was also 1 of only 3 players on the team with positive assist to turnover ratio. 55/43. So this "horrible defense" agenda your pushing isn't being back up by stats. She was also one of our more efficient facilitators on a team filled with players constantly giving the ball up.

If you want to go after any player about not being "D1 material" go after Petree who was playing in her 6th D1 season and she didn't reach double figures in a single game. 8 pts was her season high against an awful Indiana State team.

If you let players drive past you and you just watch, you don't pick up fouls. 4th on this team in steals, especially when you are third in minutes played isn't exactly a glowing endorsement either. My position on her defense is from watching games and how often she was out of position or caught ball watching while the player she is supposed to be guarding has made a back cut and Collier was oblivious. A lot of that is coaching and not being used to the speed of the game. But some of it was just lack of effort IMHO. Some good shooters have a belief that defense if for "others". Katie Gearlds certainly had that attitude under Curry, until Verysp let her know "loaf on D, you can sit by me." Petree was an awful offer as well, but she played minutes appropriate to her contribution, Collier did not IMO. BTW, points per minute between Collier and Petree are relatively close, Collier .220 points per minute (.203 in Big Ten play), Petree .154.

As to our point guard situation, Lombard was supposedly that help as a combo guard that would be able to play some point and take pressure off the frosh, that obviously was a mis-evaluation from the coaching staff. I said after the Europe trip that I hoped Poole came ready to play because Amiyah was not going to be able to play Big Ten ball. Looks like Poole was little better when healthy.
 
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So if she played less minutes so that she shot even less while playing poor defense, she would have been fine? By that logic Alaina is the team's MVP for not playing at all.......... SMDH
No, she was a catcher forced to play shortstop. A lot of routine ground outs became hits
 
No, she was a catcher forced to play shortstop. A lot of routine ground outs became hits
I don't think that analogy works, because it implies there is a position she could play adequately at a Big Ten team, and with her poor defense and timidness on offense, I just do not see it. Her efficiency rating was 9.7. Swanson was 13.3 and last season Ellis was a 20.4. Collier did nothing well and a couple of things (defense and aggression taking shots) quite poorly. She was a like a junior high kid being pressed into playing varsity and getting schooled.
 
Ultimately, all of the above falls on Gearlds - whether it's bringing in the wrong pieces of the puzzle or not putting them in positions to be successful - it's all on her. The staff did not do a thing to adequately assess what they had and run an offense to make them successful. Best shooter in our lifetime (with career stats of over 90% FT percentage) only able to get to the free throw line 8 times THE ENTIRE SEASON. Even with her lack of speed, put her in positions to put up more shots and get to the line. Just ridiculous planning and scheming from the coaches. If you really believe you have the best shooter you've ever seen, you're an idiot for only getting them 6 shots a game. Otherwise, keep your mouth shut because you look stupid making such comments. Gearlds is in a world of hurt right now, and if she can't bring in an incredibly talented point guard $$$$$, she's going to be gone.
 
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I don't think that analogy works, because it implies there is a position she could play adequately at a Big Ten team, and with her poor defense and timidness on offense, I just do not see it. Her efficiency rating was 9.7. Swanson was 13.3 and last season Ellis was a 20.4. Collier did nothing well and a couple of things (defense and aggression taking shots) quite poorly. She was a like a junior high kid being pressed into playing varsity and getting schooled.
The analogy works in the sense that she was not equipped with the skills for the role she was asked to play. She would have been more effective coming off the bench to give a starter a quick rest or a settling down break. But that would be starter was not on the team. I don't know how much better Purdue wouldhave been had injuries to key players had not happened but most likely they would have been a bit better. Maybe good enough to make the BTT. And I am aware if the silly cliche that "injuries are prt of the game." They are part of the game, usually the part that causes you to lose the game.
 
The analogy works in the sense that she was not equipped with the skills for the role she was asked to play. She would have been more effective coming off the bench to give a starter a quick rest or a settling down break. But that would be starter was not on the team. I don't know how much better Purdue wouldhave been had injuries to key players had not happened but most likely they would have been a bit better. Maybe good enough to make the BTT. And I am aware if the silly cliche that "injuries are prt of the game." They are part of the game, usually the part that causes you to lose the game.
And who was hurt that has shown any ability to play Big Ten ball? Its not that they are a "part of the game" its that our injuries were on players that when healthy have been nothing above awful on the floor when they have played.
 
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