So you actively discriminate based on school? Because you feel only goods ones can come from a certain school? Literally holding people back because maybe they didn't have the resources to go to that school. Seems incredibly crappy, close minded and even narrows your possibility of great employees down 99%.
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Go apply for a job as an undergrad to the major investment banks or major business consulting places (McKinsey, Bain & BCG) with a Purdue undergrad - you aren’t getting a job unless you have an inside contact who helps you through. If a company isn’t actively recruiting on campus, you aren’t going to get the job.
Should have hired Alford originally. Once again, Nevada is in 1st place in their conference with a very young team.
At this point, if you’re Alford, do you even entertain it? I mean if he has a down year at Nevada, he gets an easy pass. If he has a bad year at IU, chants for his head become rampant.
So you're just proving my point? Going to specific schools gives you power over other. Which is obviously ridiculous. Clearly the banks in the US are ran by morons and the politicians are well... Morons... A common theme? Ivy league schools and wasting a lot of money of "higher education."
He doesn't understand there are NO solutions...only trade offs like ALL of life! No matter what direction a person takes, there is always a risk for that decision and a risk with a different decision. Somehow, a person has to "sort" in some manner with risks of a mistake no matter what he or she may choose...always been there...always will be there.
He reminds me of an nd grad I used to work with. He's about 20 years older than me and constantly complained about engineers getting all the promotions (instead of him) and that it wasn't fair. When I asked him why he made the decisions about what to study in school, he admitted that he started in engineering and couldn't make the grades so he switched to some supply chain mgmt degree or something like that. He never understood about putting in the hard work and just thought people would hand him things just because he worked there longer.
It happens everywhere. Fortune 500 companies have a list of schools they recruit. They will look at someone from another school only if they were at the top of their class or something else made them stand out.
I know there are preferred schools for recruiting into specific jobs at the large automotive company I worked for. Need a lawyer, look to Northwestern. Need an IT guy or an engineer? look to Illinois or Purdue.
I also know that when the academic scandal hit North Carolina, all the UNC resumes were flagged for review for recruiting.
I guess the answer is “yes” the school males a difference for new hires. Got 5 years experience in the field? No one cares about the school, except when they are looking at promotion candidates. If there are no clear differentiators, then management will look at the candidates educational background, and certain schools will make a difference, Purdue being one of them and IU not so much. Sorry, IU guys, but that’s just reality in manufacturing and engineering firms. Can’t say in law firms.
I also know that when the academic scandal hit North Carolina, all the UNC resumes were flagged for review for recruiting.
I guess the answer is “yes” the school males a difference for new hires. Got 5 years experience in the field? No one cares about the school, except when they are looking at promotion candidates. If there are no clear differentiators, then management will look at the candidates educational background, and certain schools will make a difference, Purdue being one of them and IU not so much. Sorry, IU guys, but that’s just reality in manufacturing and engineering firms. Can’t say in law firms.
You think Purdue and IU’s football coaches visit all the high schools in the state?
Spoiler alert: they don’t. They visit the big schools that have a history of churning out P5 prospects.
So yeah, they “discriminate” also.
I do know that Steve wouldn't come back to coach at Indinana and is happy at Nevada.
This is a weird take. I doubt you will ever meet a serious employer in your lifetime who would not prefer a young candidate from a prestigious school over a community college, given all other qualifications like personality and GPA held constant and politics being out of the picture. Employees rarely explicitly say it, but part of the value of an education is simply vetting who is smart enough to get into and graduate from a certain selective caliber of university. Needless to say, the correlation between potential and university acceptance is very high. This post suggests there is none. It seems more driven by miss-guided opinion than knowledge or even logic.
YEP... the vetting of discipline and commitment is a disregarded key ingredient.
You have never been out of the state then.
I grew up in Colorado and moved to IN only to go Purdue. I left immediately after graduation and moved back west.
Here in the PNW (I live in Portland) there absolutely is a difference between Oregon State and Purdue. Oregon State is a great institution that has benefited from having some alums become tech giants. I moved here because I got hired as the head of the craft brew alliance and was the head of the development, design construction of the Kona Brewing Company’s main facility on the Big Island. I have built 4 breweries greenfield. Why do you think PNW beer people would pick me over all of the OSU grads? You guessed it! Purdue.
People think Purdue is Ivy League. People think Purdue is on Par with CalTech. And if you are thinking they are dumb for thinking that, just remember: perception is reality.
I think you put yourself in that same class with that comment
I have a brother-in-law that was in personel at Cummins many years ago and Purdue engineers were sought for less turnover since many were from teh midwest and might not have the problems of a smaller town such as Columbus,In. They were also practical, hands on and not afraid of getting grease under a fingernail. Only in the R&E area might MIT be a place they would solicit..."a half a century ago...
Discriminate is a word that most take as a social context, but that is not the only or maybe the original use of the word. To discriminate is to discern, to be precise, to be exact in whatever matter is at hand. Obviously, now doing precisely what the original intent may have been, a political context is applied...and it is the most common understanding. Sadly the attempt at discernment which should be good, is flipped upside down into a word that conjures up disgust in many. The reality is there are no solutions only trade-offs and therefore all decisions discriminate in some manner...ALL!
We are being discrimated right now with Boiler Upload offering a real deal to STUDENTS!! ... but not to us! What makes students so deserving and you and I not deserving?
Good point and another example that discrimination takes place in every decision made by a living brain...every...even if the decision was to flip a coin as oppose to another way to make a decision...discrimation took place in choosing the coin instead of not choosing the coin based upon something...
I wouldn't consider it intelligent to spend 200k on an education you probably could have gotten for 20k.
Neither would I, but that’s not the case with every $200,000 tuition. Med school? It’s an investment. Engineering degree from MIT? It’s an investment. You get accepted to that program, take out a loan. You’ll pay it back. $200,000 for training in something that will land you a job as a barista? Heck, I’d make the case that $20,000 and four of your most productive years is overpaying for half the degrees out there at any price. I put that on guidance and admission counselors for not making the cost/benefit analysis transparent and upfront to every prospective student. They’ve never seemed to care about this, which is the most important thing, perhaps the only thing that really matters. Instead, there seems to be a push to consider all of the programs available and follow whatever your interest is without regard to employability. Students who make a bad degree decision after not seeking that perspective on their own, those are the ones who complain about the price of college years later.
Very well stated. I'll only add that the admission counselors are paid by the school and are there to make money for the school primarily and secondary to help the student if able...
In his??? defense which I think you covered well, is some are just better off not going to college...
I'm not even sure spending the 400k for medical school would be worth it anymore... Though as a doctor, you can screw people however you please on price.
I agree with some people probably being better off not going to college, but what I think would be even better is if guidance counselors (and parents) suggested career paths at the intersection of a student’s competency and predicted job market trends, rather than suggesting all paths are viable as long as you have a degree. That has never been and never will be true until The market starts functioning properly and useless programs start dropping out of universities. I absolutely love both art and anthropology and appreciate that some people should specialize in this, but every state doesn’t need multiple second-rate universities pulling in kids and churning out graduates in such programs. Aside from the most competitive and able 1-10%, The rest of those kids are being done a disservice, and may never even realize it - The fingers will be pointed everywhere except at that critical decision point when they decided what to study, or those complicit in getting them there.
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In my experience and through conversation with others, "guidance" in high school seems to be more about nurturing society ills and less about guidance to a future after high school than I believe it should. Then there are parents that have no idea what a child needs or how to prepare that child for a field of interest...they just see great grades and think things are fine. How many parents are concerned in what is being learned if the child brings home great grades?
If a person is going to college for a career then absolutely that interest must be understood in light of the costs and return on the investment. The lack of awareness you speak doesn't just end with "school" but in so many other areas daily...
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