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[Dandelion1972]

I was thrilled when we signed DH2, but against the length of the contract and the amount of money spent!

$20 million over 6 years ! ! !

How about a shorter contract with less money? Give performance rewards, not ALL up front! Wasn't that the mistake that was made with DH2?

I hope I have to eat these words in 3-4 years, but it doesn't seem like the smartest move.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

I was thrilled when we signed DH2, but against the length of the contract and the amount of money spent!

$20 million over 6 years ! ! !

How about a shorter contract with less money? Give performance rewards, not ALL up front! Wasn't that the mistake that was made with DH2?

I hope I have to eat these words in 3-4 years, but it doesn't seem like the smartest move.

You got to pay the ante to get a seat at the big kids' table.

 

[TC4THREE]

You can't give coaches an incentive-based contract when they can go elsewhere for guaranteed money.

 

[nat100]

No coach worth while will take a short term contract that is incentive laden.

 

[TheBoris]

I was thrilled when we signed DH2, but against the length of the contract and the amount of money spent!

$20 million over 6 years ! ! !

How about a shorter contract with less money? Give performance rewards, not ALL up front! Wasn't that the mistake that was made with DH2?

I hope I have to eat these words in 3-4 years, but it doesn't seem like the smartest move.

Ever occur to you that he wouldn't sign a shorter contract for less money?

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Posts like this show the people of this message board who they can truly take serious and the ones who need to be given a cupcake and told to sit down.

 

[lbodel]

You can't give coaches an incentive-based contract when they can go elsewhere for guaranteed money.

While I by in large part agree, it is not necessarily an extreme.

For example, Darrell Hazell was hired with a longer contract than Dave Doeren at NC State - in the same year. That extra year is costing Purdue an additional $2+ million.

That being said, there are circumstances around everything. We don't know the details - and it goes for both sides of the argument. This obviously happened quickly given his season just ended - how many other "players" there were, we don't know.

 

[TheBoris]

While I by in large part agree, it is not necessarily an extreme.

For example, Darrell Hazell was hired with a longer contract than Dave Doeren at NC State - in the same year. That extra year is costing Purdue an additional $2+ million.

That being said, there are circumstances around everything. We don't know the details - and it goes for both sides of the argument. This obviously happened quickly given his season just ended - how many other "players" there were, we don't know.

Haze was a terrible, knee-jerk hire by an AD who was waaaay too constipated to cope with the economics of coach pay = results in today's world. I don't dislike Haze or Burke, both are good men who tried their best, but both are behind the curve with regard to the realities of college football today.

And I really hate to say it but the palming of Benjamins to recruits has now become so commonplace and widespread - - - - are we keeping up?

 

[boilerdug]

Haze was a terrible, knee-jerk hire by an AD who was waaaay too constipated to cope with the economics of coach pay = results in today's world. I don't dislike Haze or Burke, both are good men who tried their best, but both are behind the curve with regard to the realities of college football today.

And I really hate to say it but the palming of Benjamins to recruits has now become so commonplace and widespread - - - - are we keeping up?

How do you figure he was "knee-jerk" hire????? He was the 4th choice!!!!!

 

[lbodel]

Haze was a terrible, knee-jerk hire by an AD who was waaaay too constipated to cope with the economics of coach pay = results in today's world. I don't dislike Haze or Burke, both are good men who tried their best, but both are behind the curve with regard to the realities of college football today.

And I really hate to say it but the palming of Benjamins to recruits has now become so commonplace and widespread - - - - are we keeping up?

First off, most people on this forum were happy with Hazell's hire. It's total revisionist history to act like it was widely panned as a "knee-jerk hire".

Secondly, this notion that football recruits are all given money is on the same level as if you play college football, you'll go make millions in the NFL. Sure, are there some shady dealings involving very high level recruits? Yeah, it happens. But people are not paying high-level 3 star and standard 4 star players money to come play.

Come on.

 

[lbodel]

How do you figure he was "knee-jerk" hire????? He was the 4th choice!!!!!

No offense to Brohm, but don't think he was Purdue's #1 choice either.

 

[Do Dah Day]

While I by in large part agree, it is not necessarily an extreme.

For example, Darrell Hazell was hired with a longer contract than Dave Doeren at NC State - in the same year. That extra year is costing Purdue an additional $2+ million.

That being said, there are circumstances around everything. We don't know the details - and it goes for both sides of the argument. This obviously happened quickly given his season just ended - how many other "players" there were, we don't know.

I do think we know that there was at least one player (a competitive situation) that was offering something close to this ... He was too hot of a commodity and there are too many openings to assume we just came up with this out of thin air.

 

[turney333]

I was thrilled when we signed DH2, but against the length of the contract and the amount of money spent!

$20 million over 6 years ! ! !

How about a shorter contract with less money? Give performance rewards, not ALL up front! Wasn't that the mistake that was made with DH2?

I hope I have to eat these words in 3-4 years, but it doesn't seem like the smartest move.

I certainly think Purdue probably will be paying significantly more than what other places would have - hazard pay for taking on a struggling program. If it works out, its money well spent, but ultimately is way about Purdue's only choice.

 

[BoilerBonz]

No offense to Brohm, but don't think he was Purdue's #1 choice either.

Then who was? Miles? Fleck?

I doubt it.

 

[TheBoris]

I certainly think Purdue probably will be paying significantly more than what other places would have - hazard pay for taking on a struggling program. If it works out, its money well spent, but ultimately is way about Purdue's only choice.

I do not believe that. There are many coaches in the AAC, MAC, C USA, WAC, Mountain West plus dozens of OCs/DCs in P5 schools who would triple, quadruple or quintuple their current salaries by becoming the HC at Purdue. Do you really believe they'd all turn it down?

 

[Bigohh]

While I by in large part agree, it is not necessarily an extreme.

For example, Darrell Hazell was hired with a longer contract than Dave Doeren at NC State - in the same year. That extra year is costing Purdue an additional $2+ million.

That being said, there are circumstances around everything. We don't know the details - and it goes for both sides of the argument. This obviously happened quickly given his season just ended - how many other "players" there were, we don't know.

It sure looks like Cinci gave Tuberville a contract they were able to buy out for a lot less than the $6 million we are playing Haze (i.e. $1.5 or 2.4million). I just wonder if Haze would have had the record Tubs had over the past 4 years would we even be considering firing him? He sure kicked our a$$ in Ross-Ade this year.

 

[turney333]

I do not believe that. There are many coaches in the AAC, MAC, C USA, WAC, Mountain West plus dozens of OCs/DCs in P5 schools who would triple, quadruple or quintuple their current salaries by becoming the HC at Purdue. Do you really believe they'd all turn it down?

I think you were interpreting it the wrong way. I was suggesting that Brohm likely would have taken less from another P5 school than what Purdue will be paying. Brohm wasn't the only option for Purdue at $3.3 mil a year, there would definitely have been a lot of takers. I just think other P5 schools probably wouldn't have needed $3.3 to get Brohm

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

who cares who was #1 choice or #10, Brohm is the coach now, that's all that matters. Lets bring Purdue back

 

[BoilerInChiTown]

No offense to Brohm, but don't think he was Purdue's #1 choice either.

May not be the #1 choice but the right choice. Miles wasn't coming here, cus Pudue would be too much of a project for him at his age. Fleck I'm not sold on. He's too much of a salesman to me.

 

[TheBoris]

May not be the #1 choice but the right choice. Miles wasn't coming here, cus Pudue would be too of a project for him at his age. Fleck I'm not sold on. He's too much of a salesman to me.

Bottom line is that if Fleck wanted to go elsewhere, e. g. Oregon, then let's move on to the next guy on our short list.

 

[TC4THREE]

First off, most people on this forum were happy with Hazell's hire. It's total revisionist history to act like it was widely panned as a "knee-jerk hire".

Yep. It is amazing to me how people here like to go off on Burke regarding Hazell but there were very few people here that had anything but praise for the move at the time. I questioned it but tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. I saw many troubling signs in the first season yet many here were steadfast that it was just a huge mess that Hope left and none of it was Hazell's fault. I had so many arguments the first couple of Hazell years with people who refused to see basic things for fear of acknowledging that we had screwed up as badly as we clearly did.

I haven't heard many people arguing with this Brohm selection but if it doesn't work out in four years you will have a bunch of people cursing Bobinski.

 

[Boiler Wolf]

It has become a high stakes game with little margin for error. That is a LOT of money, even with the TV contract income. What I like about it is that it shows Purdue's commitment to football. That and the facility upgrades should help recruiting a lot. What I don't like about it is, if Brohm isn't able to dig us out of the hole we are in and we want to make a change 3 to 4 years down the road. It's tough for schools like Purdue to pay that kind of money for a coach who isn't coaching any longer. But, I think if Purdue wants to be a player in the BIG, and not the Kansas of the BIG, this was what needed to be done. Bo's legacy as the Purdue AD could be cemented in his 1st 6 months on the job with what I view as an uncharacteristically bold move for Purdue.

 

[TC4THREE]

It has become a high stakes game with little margin for error. That is a LOT of money, even with the TV contract income. What I like about it is that it shows Purdue's commitment to football. That and the facility upgrades should help recruiting a lot. What I don't like about it is, if Brohm isn't able to dig us out of the hole we are in and we want to make a change 3 to 4 years down the road. It's tough for schools like Purdue to pay that kind of money for a coach who isn't coaching any longer. But, I think if Purdue wants to be a player in the BIG, and not the Kansas of the BIG, this was what needed to be done. Bo's legacy as the Purdue AD could be cemented in his 1st 6 months on the job with what I view as an uncharacteristically bold move for Purdue.

That is a valid concern. It's exactly what happened with Hazell. I feel much better taking that chance with someone that I think was a top target for us and others rather than someone I felt was our 3rd or 4th top option and nobody else of note was chasing.

 

[TheBoris]

I haven't heard many people arguing with this Brohm selection but if it doesn't work out in four years you will have a bunch of people cursing Bobinski.

Apples and oranges. The methodology used by Burke to hire Haze is vastly different than that used by Bobinski to hire Brohm. Burke sat at his desk and made phone calls while Bobinski formed a search committee, hire a private consultant firm, got the BOT involved Big Time, ditto the president, and spent months churning candidates.

Brohm may not work out but on Day One it looks a lot better than Haze did.

 

[Dandelion1972]

Nice discussion. Not too many people resorted to calling me names and belittling what I wrote (despite 18 years of coaching and following Purdue football as a passion since 1968).

I'm just (as I've always been) a little bit conservative about offering this length of contract. The same people who wanted to get rid of DH2 a couple years ago, but realized the buyout was very steep, seem to be in favor of this deal.

Of course, we don't know the details of the agreement and what went on behind the scenes, but . . . .

 

[ghostoffatjack]

If anyone out here think that Hazel was higher than a 3rd or 4th choice....1st it was NIU's Doeren that was supposedly all locked up, then it was Jones that we were negotiating with, then I believe it was Dykes....I had my doubts about Hazel the second he did not leave to come to Purdue immediately!

 

[TheBoris]

Nice discussion. Not too many people resorted to calling me names and belittling what I wrote (despite 18 years of coaching and following Purdue football as a passion since 1968).

I'm just (as I've always been) a little bit conservative about offering this length of contract. The same people who wanted to get rid of DH2 a couple years ago, but realized the buyout was very steep, seem to be in favor of this deal.

Of course, we don't know the details of the agreement and what went on behind the scenes, but . . . .

We need Brohm like you need a tooth.

 

[TC4THREE]

Apples and oranges. The methodology used by Burke to hire Haze is vastly different than that used by Bobinski to hire Brohm. Burke sat at his desk and made phone calls while Bobinski formed a search committee, hire a private consultant firm, got the BOT involved Big Time, ditto the president, and spent months churning candidates.

Brohm may not work out but on Day One it looks a lot better than Haze did.

Hazell had a bunch of people that endorsed him including Jim Tressel and Ryan Grigson. I believe Burke also hired a private search firm.

Let's face it. The biggest factor in getting Brohm here was Bobinski's ability to throw big money at him. I'm not sure whether Burke had the same leverage at that time but with the football team having sunk to the depths it had, the BOT had no choice but to up the ante if they wanted to turn it around. Frankly, it had become somewhat of an image problem. The BTN money also continues to rise as well as Cordova had been stealing millions from the athletic department each year which might have hurt Burke's ability too.

I'm not absolving Burke here, but I do believe he might have been operating under fiscal constraints that Bobinski did not have with this hire.

 

[TheBoris]

Hazell had a bunch of people that endorsed him including Jim Tressel and Ryan Grigson. I believe Burke also hired a private search firm.

Let's face it. The biggest factor in getting Brohm here was Bobinski's ability to throw big money at him. I'm not sure whether Burke had the same leverage at that time but with the football team having sunk to the depths it had, the BOT had no choice but to up the ante if they wanted to turn it around. Frankly, it had become somewhat of an image problem. The BTN money also continues to rise as well as Cordova had been stealing millions from the athletic department each year which might have hurt Burke's ability too.

I'm not absolving Burke here, but I do believe he might have been operating under fiscal constraints that Bobinski did not have with this hire.

Jim Tressel - fired at ohio State and Grigson - soon to be fired by the Colts - and hey, my Aunt Minnie, she supported Haze and liked his "hazed" hats.

 

[Purdue0034]

I would not even come close to defending Burke or suggesting he didn't have the same financial leverage. True or not, he almost single handily destroyed Purdue football! From what I heard, when the search for a coach was going on that ultimately brought Joe Tiller to us, someone had to bring up and identify who Joe Tiller was for Burke. Are you kidding? I knew who Joe Tiller was when he was at Wyoming, long before he was the Purdue coach. I knew who Joe was just being a casual football fan and could tell he ran a good program at Wyoming. Its mind-boggling to me that an AD, who was looking for a coach didn't even know who he was!

 

[Purdue0034]

By the way, I think we made the right hire here this time! I am excited and glad we got the x and o's guy and not the gimmick guy who was too arrogant to talk with us!

 

[Bippus33]

Hazell had a bunch of people that endorsed him including Jim Tressel and Ryan Grigson. I believe Burke also hired a private search firm.

Let's face it. The biggest factor in getting Brohm here was Bobinski's ability to throw big money at him. I'm not sure whether Burke had the same leverage at that time but with the football team having sunk to the depths it had, the BOT had no choice but to up the ante if they wanted to turn it around. Frankly, it had become somewhat of an image problem. The BTN money also continues to rise as well as Cordova had been stealing millions from the athletic department each year which might have hurt Burke's ability too.

I'm not absolving Burke here, but I do believe he might have been operating under fiscal constraints that Bobinski did not have with this hire.

True and Mbob would not have had the money to throw if the fans had not walked away from the whole hot mess.
I think Mitch did the math with all of the empty seats as well!!

 

[Bippus33]

Hazell had a bunch of people that endorsed him including Jim Tressel and Ryan Grigson. I believe Burke also hired a private search firm.

Let's face it. The biggest factor in getting Brohm here was Bobinski's ability to throw big money at him. I'm not sure whether Burke had the same leverage at that time but with the football team having sunk to the depths it had, the BOT had no choice but to up the ante if they wanted to turn it around. Frankly, it had become somewhat of an image problem. The BTN money also continues to rise as well as Cordova had been stealing millions from the athletic department each year which might have hurt Burke's ability too.

I'm not absolving Burke here, but I do believe he might have been operating under fiscal constraints that Bobinski did not have with this hire.

I hate to say it but....you are right....

 

[TC4THREE]

Jim Tressel - fired at ohio State and Grigson - soon to be fired by the Colts - and hey, my Aunt Minnie, she supported Haze and liked his "hazed" hats.

Jim Tressel won a national championship at OSU (not fired for football reasons). Grigson I believe was GM of the Year with the Colts. All that proves is that football is a fickle business and if you stick around long enough odds are good that you'll eventually fall on hard times and be replaced.

Not to mention the vast majority of fans on this board refused to criticize Hazell at all for a couple of seasons.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I was thrilled when we signed DH2, but against the length of the contract and the amount of money spent!

$20 million over 6 years ! ! !

How about a shorter contract with less money? Give performance rewards, not ALL up front! Wasn't that the mistake that was made with DH2?

I hope I have to eat these words in 3-4 years, but it doesn't seem like the smartest move.

I know a coach who would've accepted a shorter, smaller and non--guaranteed deal: His name rhymes with Spock Brack.

 

[boiler_89_]

No offense to Brohm, but don't think he was Purdue's #1 choice either.

You should pony up the $10/month.

 

[TC4THREE]

You should pony up the $10/month.

Not sure I'd take it as gospel anyway. Depends on who is reporting it.

 

[TOKenBoiler]

No offense to Brohm, but don't think he was Purdue's #1 choice either.

Neither was Tiller. Hopefully, lightning will strike twice.

 

[TOKenBoiler]

I know a coach who would've accepted a shorter, smaller and non--guaranteed deal: His name rhymes with Spock Brack.

Have you spoken to Spock Brack lately? Curious how you "know" this.

 

[TOKenBoiler]

We need Brohm like you need a tooth.