Haas next season

[Do Dah Day]

Boeheim's teams played man-to-man before they started playing zone in his long tenure at Syracuse.

If you could only choose one, would you rather see Haas defending in the paint area (extended some) or defending out around the 3PT line?

There are four other playes to consider in this scenario ... not just Haas, I prefer not having PJ/Dakota/Cline/and even Carsen ... who are all relatively short and not especially long-armed, not flying all over the court trying to pick up the guy that is in their zone in the area far away from them. Running that much will impact their legs, thus their 3-point ability. The goal of most zone offenses is to get the ball to then center (FT line) and go from there. That means Haas will be defending their bigger guy out at the FT line ... maybe not the 3-point line, but still enough away from the basket that he will struggle stopping someone quicker than he is.

 

[nagemj02]

"There are four other playes to consider in this scenario ... not just Haas, I prefer not having PJ/Dakota/Cline/and even Carsen ... who are all relatively short and not especially long-armed, not flying all over the court trying to pick up the guy that is in their zone in the area far away from them. Running that much will impact their legs, thus their 3-point ability."

The players use more energy running around and flying all over the court in their man D than they ever would in zone D's and it's not even close. Their legs would likely be less tired, so I think you've got it all backwards (same with the Haas scenario) in your argument.

 

[Do Dah Day]

"There are four other playes to consider in this scenario ... not just Haas, I prefer not having PJ/Dakota/Cline/and even Carsen ... who are all relatively short and not especially long-armed, not flying all over the court trying to pick up the guy that is in their zone in the area far away from them. Running that much will impact their legs, thus their 3-point ability."

The players use more energy running around and flying all over the court in their man D than they ever would in zone D's and it's not even close. Their legs would likely be less tired, so I think you've got it all backwards (same with the Haas scenario) in your argument.

Absolutely untrue. In a Man you are following your man, he stops, pauses, cuts, rests.... you are always with him and you rest when he does. In a zone, you are taken to a far edge by one guy, then another guy enters the far side and you have to run to get him. All zone offenses focus on swinging the zone side to side until it gets tired. The rule is usually at least three swings before an attack.

Your comment that it is not even close simply shows your ignorance of basketball.

 

[mediaexpert]

Purdue plays a zone already. When their center sets a pick and the guards scurries around him, our center picks him up and stops the quick jump shot or more so the drive to the basket until our guard picks him up in man again. When their center, rolls to the basket, he is picked up by the PF. Once he is picked up, our center quickly finds the open man.

In some circumstances, their PG is herky jerky enough to try to draw the foul and still find the center near the basket like Maryland did. This was the worse D job we did as a team. Part of the problem was the refs allowing what I view as more offensive fouls than blocking.

Caleb got blamed and to a lesser extent Haas, when their center moved out and knocked down 3's like Michigan and Indiana. Frankly, this is good D and the fact that both centers hit over 50% is luck. When this happened, the correct move was to put our center on their PF and our PF on their center, until he cools off.

Matt did this, it is smart and the right thing and again my criticism is that Haas needs to play at least 25 minutes per game. Saying he cannot guard someone quicker is BS, as we need Haas in there to alter close in shots.

BTW, yes I understand it is semantics that we play zone. We play man with a sag to the middle off the ball man-to-man D.

 

[BBG]

Purdue plays a zone already. When their center sets a pick and the guards scurries around him, our center picks him up and stops the quick jump shot or more so the drive to the basket until our guard picks him up in man again. When their center, rolls to the basket, he is picked up by the PF. Once he is picked up, our center quickly finds the open man.

In some circumstances, their PG is herky jerky enough to try to draw the foul and still find the center near the basket like Maryland did. This was the worse D job we did as a team. Part of the problem was the refs allowing what I view as more offensive fouls than blocking.

Caleb got blamed and to a lesser extent Haas, when their center moved out and knocked down 3's like Michigan and Indiana. Frankly, this is good D and the fact that both centers hit over 50% is luck. When this happened, the correct move was to put our center on their PF and our PF on their center, until he cools off.

Matt did this, it is smart and the right thing and again my criticism is that Haas needs to play at least 25 minutes per game. Saying he cannot guard someone quicker is BS, as we need Haas in there to alter close in shots.

BTW, yes I understand it is semantics that we play zone. We play man with a sag to the middle off the ball man-to-man D.

Brilliant post.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Purdue plays a zone already. When their center sets a pick and the guards scurries around him, our center picks him up and stops the quick jump shot or more so the drive to the basket until our guard picks him up in man again. When their center, rolls to the basket, he is picked up by the PF. Once he is picked up, our center quickly finds the open man.

In some circumstances, their PG is herky jerky enough to try to draw the foul and still find the center near the basket like Maryland did. This was the worse D job we did as a team. Part of the problem was the refs allowing what I view as more offensive fouls than blocking.

Caleb got blamed and to a lesser extent Haas, when their center moved out and knocked down 3's like Michigan and Indiana. Frankly, this is good D and the fact that both centers hit over 50% is luck. When this happened, the correct move was to put our center on their PF and our PF on their center, until he cools off.

Matt did this, it is smart and the right thing and again my criticism is that Haas needs to play at least 25 minutes per game. Saying he cannot guard someone quicker is BS, as we need Haas in there to alter close in shots.

BTW, yes I understand it is semantics that we play zone. We play man with a sag to the middle off the ball man-to-man D.

Well written. This was discussed in another thread in which I called it a "saggy man." Great job describing it in more detail.

 

[nagemj02]

Purdue plays a zone already. When their center sets a pick and the guards scurries around him, our center picks him up and stops the quick jump shot or more so the drive to the basket until our guard picks him up in man again. When their center, rolls to the basket, he is picked up by the PF. Once he is picked up, our center quickly finds the open man.

In some circumstances, their PG is herky jerky enough to try to draw the foul and still find the center near the basket like Maryland did. This was the worse D job we did as a team. Part of the problem was the refs allowing what I view as more offensive fouls than blocking.

Caleb got blamed and to a lesser extent Haas, when their center moved out and knocked down 3's like Michigan and Indiana. Frankly, this is good D and the fact that both centers hit over 50% is luck. When this happened, the correct move was to put our center on their PF and our PF on their center, until he cools off.

Matt did this, it is smart and the right thing and again my criticism is that Haas needs to play at least 25 minutes per game. Saying he cannot guard someone quicker is BS, as we need Haas in there to alter close in shots.

BTW, yes I understand it is semantics that we play zone. We play man with a sag to the middle off the ball man-to-man D.

It's not a true zone, so it's still not of which I'm really referring.

It's not BS that is unable to keep up with man matchups. He's a giant. Use your eyes when you watch games and use your brain to decide what's more practical. It's common sense.

 

[Dakota Girl]

what has painter accomplished that has made everyone backing him so upset when he's being criticized? Some people want some adjustments. So what we talk about strategy on this board it should be fun but some people make it no fun by just calling people morons instead of validily backing their opinions. What the heck is wrong with talking about Haas next year? You guys drool over recruits all the time

35: Go back and read this thread again. You want to know why we can't talk Basketball strategy. We can. In fact that is what is being discussed throughout. Nags would get more discussion but he always lights the fuse with Painter bashing as he launches his thread. Both Painter supporters and detractors with significant background as players and coaches have provided discussion and explanations as to why a zone, while not a bad defensive concept, is not necessarily a good solution for the defensive problems Purdue has. It is compounded by the fact that Purdue has a very strong defensive rating nationally which is being ignored by Nags and of late by you. Purdue does have a very specific defensive problem guarding a 5 who is able to shoot a high percentage from 3 point range, drive from outside the arc to the rim and finish in trafic, and make back to the basket post moves on a smaller defender. Most teams struggle with that. I have watched Wagner shoot poorly from deep and it makes him much less of a threat. You ask why we can't talk about Haas. We can. But don't try to say that the OP had any of ntention of discussing Haas as anything other than a foil to bash the coach. It was simply post number 432 by nags bashing Painter for not playing zone. It's just old.
Start a thread asking people to explain why they feel a zone is not the solution and don't bash the staff or a player in the process and you will likely get lots of very solid answers with basketball principles backing it up. Then imagine, just for a minute, that they may know what they are talking about.

 

[BoilerFan#35]

35: Go back and read this thread again. You want to know why we can't talk Basketball strategy. We can. In fact that is what is being discussed throughout. Nags would get more discussion but he always lights the fuse with Painter bashing as he launches his thread. Both Painter supporters and detractors with significant background as players and coaches have provided discussion and explanations as to why a zone, while not a bad defensive concept, is not necessarily a good solution for the defensive problems Purdue has. It is compounded by the fact that Purdue has a very strong defensive rating nationally which is being ignored by Nags and of late by you. Purdue does have a very specific defensive problem guarding a 5 who is able to shoot a high percentage from 3 point range, drive from outside the arc to the rim and finish in trafic, and make back to the basket post moves on a smaller defender. Most teams struggle with that. I have watched Wagner shoot poorly from deep and it makes him much less of a threat. You ask why we can't talk about Haas. We can. But don't try to say that the OP had any of ntention of discussing Haas as anything other than a foil to bash the coach. It was simply post number 432 by nags bashing Painter for not playing zone. It's just old.
Start a thread asking people to explain why they feel a zone is not the solution and don't bash the staff or a player in the process and you will likely get lots of very solid answers with basketball principles backing it up. Then imagine, just for a minute, that they may know what they are talking about.

Not bashing Haas by saying he would be more fit in a zone……….

 

[Dakota Girl]

Not bashing Haas by saying he would be more fit in a zone……….

....didn't mean to say you were. Just a general comment on some posts that attack players and not always with knowledge of what those players are supposed to do. My message to you is to consider why Nags draws so much fire.

 

[Do Dah Day]

It's not a true zone, so it's still not of which I'm really referring.

It's not BS that is unable to keep up with man matchups. He's a giant. Use your eyes when you watch games and use your brain to decide what's more practical. It's common sense.

So you are straight out saying that I have no brain and no common sense ... as opposed to your infinite amounts of both? Things that I now want to say are not appropriate for any board ... but insulting my intelligence while touting yours does not sit well with me.

There are intelligent conversations with people with different opinions. You are incapable of participating in them ...

 

[BoilerAndy]

It's not a true zone, so it's still not of which I'm really referring.

It's not BS that is unable to keep up with man matchups. He's a giant. Use your eyes when you watch games and use your brain to decide what's more practical. It's common sense.

Only a shell zone is an acceptable zone. We are purists here.