Gray uniforms, open QB competition, and no staff changes in 2015.

[lbodel]

Re: My realization- Purdue really doesn't care.

I'm not saying it at all.

For example, it was absolutely ridiculous that Painter essentially had to threaten to leave his alma mater to get what a fairly standard major conference basketball program has.

The football situation was the same.

And for all the people that love to play the "we're poor" card, apparently money grew on trees in those two situations because we managed to find the money to significantly boost the investment in both programs, in Painter's situation almost overnight. It just took some extra effort.

An AD should be a supportive boss. He should be trying to help his employees, including his coaches, succeed. I don't think that has been a strength of Morgan's - and it's not only with coaches. Nancy Cross has been mentioned on this board a lot. I don't always agree with her approach (very similar mindset of Morgan's), but I also do not envy her job responsibilities. This is a woman who is not only in charge of athletics fundraising (a job by itself), but also is the senior woman's administrator (typically a job by itself), but also oversees 5 sports! That's nuts. Keep in mind a person who oversees sports often travels with them and is expected to be their "right hand man" in terms of the administration. Those 3 responsibilities should never be 1 person's job. Again, that's Morgan's fault not setting up his employees to succeed. And I'm sure when someone's stretched that thin overseeing all of that, the sports that report to her, the employees at the JPC, etc. don't feel very well supported themselves.

So it's not just about coaches, Purdue's athletic department is not set-up for success away from the sports as well. That's completely Morgan's call.

 

[pboiler18]

Re: My realization- Purdue really doesn't care.

Quite simply, the athletic department model right now is spend what you have.

There is no thrust to create a brand, or something that brings in MORE money so we can spend that money on bettering the teams/department.

When risks aren't taken and the status quo is all that the admin wants to maintain...that is what you get. The problem in Purdue's case is that too many years sitting idle and not being aggressive has led us directly to the position we are in right now.

It's time for new blood in the AD seat. Not because Morgan has been bad (but he has been as far as revenue sports are concerned), but because somebody else can do a better job....modernize our vision and monetize it...or at least do a better job. Balancing the budget is not a hard thing to do. Congrats to Morgan for doing it so long....but it's a boring approach.

When you don't take risks, you never reap the rewards. That's the thing that blows me away about preaching "fiscal responsibility" up and down whenever Morgan speaks. It's getting old. It's time to market. It's time to invest. It's time to take risks and attempt to reap the rewards. The best part about it all....is you can A. still take risks responsibly and B. Always have the Purdue endowment bail you out of short falls in the short term. Other schools do it all the time. I'd rather NOT have them go that route....but i'd also rather not sit idle, toiling in mediocrity for the rest of Purdue's high D1 life.

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[atkinsbj]

Re: My realization- Purdue really doesn't care.

The optimism on this board is hilarious. We win one game next year. That's it. Our football program is a complete joke. There are only 3 recruits this year that are bigten caliber. The rest are low end MAC recruits. I'd say it can't get any worse but I'm afraid I'd be wrong.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

I would like to know, how Purdue played pretty well starting with the Illinois game,and the next few games, then played the last two games like they did at the start of the season.

 

[boiler17]

I think they manage more like 2-3 wins.

When Appleby started, the offense switched to a system that fed off of quick passes to the flats and read options up the middle. Hunt and Mostert were so quick, that a missed gap would result in long runs. Defenses slowly caught up, the offense kept doing the same thing, and who knows what they do to the qbs to make them play worse as the number of starts grows. At their worst, Henry, Etling, and now Appleby routinely miss throws any high school qb could make. Its quite incredible really.

The team overall should be more physical and experienced next year. However, effort on both sides of the ball has been a problem under Hazell. I think the relationship between the players and coaches is poor. Without Hunt and Mosterts speed, I see no reason to expect an offensive unit any better than 2013 numbers. Instead of digging deeper, the defense will lay down, aside from some respectable almost wins, and we will probably see another youth movement.

 

[pboiler18]

If we go back to the power run game we tried in 2013, I think we have a power back that can make it successful.

For some reason unbeknownst to me, Keyante Green was little used in the second half of the year. I think he could have helped us control the ball more later in the year.

 

[nips18]

Effort was a problem? By whom last season?
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[boiler17]

Wideouts and dline in especially. First half of iowa, nd, and msu were the only games i saw guys consistently selling out

As a whole team in most games if something went wrong most everybody lost their intensity.

PB,

I bet thats what they are going to do. Without a passing game guys will stack the box and 3 and outs produce a step back. Just a prediction.

 

[OhioBoiler3]

Effort on both sides of the ball is not the issue. Give that one a break.

 

[nips18]

Who on dline? Not Replogle, Watson, Howard, or Russell. Howard may have been gassed as he wasn't in outstanding shape. Effort isn't the issue anymore. I will respectively disagree with you about this.

The WR group needs overhauled or more experience. I'm not sure which one. This upcoming season the WRs will have a lot of upperclassmen finally, same as OL.
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[Redhotfill]

Re: My realization- Purdue really doesn't care.


The optimism on this board is hilarious.

Don't you know everyone love's MB's Kool-Aid!

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by nips18:
Who on dline? Not Replogle, Watson, Howard, or Russell. Howard may have been gassed as he wasn't in outstanding shape. Effort isn't the issue anymore. I will respectively disagree with you about this.

The WR group needs overhauled or more experience. I'm not sure which one. This upcoming season the WRs will have a lot of upperclassmen finally, same as OL.

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I respect the dissention, and am replying to all when I say:

Short of Replogle, Anthrop, and Knuaf the effort looked awful to me. Watson and Howard made plays, but took 2/3 or so of the snaps off. Unless engaging the blocker and just holding ground is what they wanted from them. Move your hands, do something. I could be wrong there.

The WR lack of effort I dont question for a moment. I get they had a QB that couldnt get them the ball 2/3rds of the year but that doesnt mean you can not do your job. Be where you are supposed to be when you are supposed to be there. At home games, I would take 1/3 of the downs and just focus on a WR. After three one thousand they were jogging the vast majority of the time. Especially Yancey and Posey. Anthrop is very good at locating the ball and catching it, but what he did more often than not was run hard for 6-8 seconds (how long a play normally lasts).

Beyond my observations, Haz strongly implied there were problems with the players not liking/believing in him and vice versa, and would only say they were getting better. You dont think thats still a problem?

Im not saying they are intentionally tanking. I am saying they play .5 to 2/3 of their games with that glass ceiling "I dont believe in what Im doing" that makes it that much harder to give it your all. Haz talked about turning around that "We are getting blown out/blank stare" team attitude ad nasium when he got here. I still see it.

 

[nips18]

With the WR's, don't confuse effort with ability either. Some of these players probably are not good enough to be impact players and one impact player takes a lot of pressure off them. When Anthrop got injured, the entire WR group really suffered and they weren't good to begin with. They are also young and giving max effort on every play is difficult to grasp for young players, thus they would be getting better.

Posey was less than a year of ACL surgery, but he's a decent number three WR when healthy but not a game changer by any means and likely never will be.

I don't recall Hazell making that comment since the end of his first season.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Instead of gray unis how about we contact Harry Potter and get everyone outfitted with the cloak of invisibility? That way we may be able to pull off a couple of surprises each game and the world can't see how bad we really look the rest of the time.

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by nips18:
With the WR's, don't confuse effort with ability either. Some of these players probably are not good enough to be impact players and one impact player takes a lot of pressure off them. When Anthrop got injured, the entire WR group really suffered and they weren't good to begin with. They are also young and giving max effort on every play is difficult to grasp for young players, thus they would be getting better.

Posey was less than a year of ACL surgery, but he's a decent number three WR when healthy but not a game changer by any means and likely never will be.

I don't recall Hazell making that comment since the end of his first season.

Haz made those comments at the beginning of the season in the preview mag. The first question was basically, "So is it better to coach a team that respects/listens to/etc you." Haz said yes, talked about things he would have done differently in 2013, and at the end of the interview said he knew what the problem was, that it was getting better, and he could decline to talk about exactly what the problem was (as he probably should). It was clear from the read that things weren't all that different from last year, but did get the impression it was developing.

I also get WR's take a lot of snaps off because of all the running they do as opposed to the lines where you cant afford to any downs off because youre in the heart of the action. To be clear, Im saying that on 70ish% of passing downs downs, if you were a WR not Anthrop or Knauf, you were just not running hard. Ability has nothing to do with it. Im not saying this makes Hopes players bad teammates, Haz a bad coach, or anything else. Just simply that effort was at best shaky unless we were playing a high profile team.

 

[nips18]

I'd be more interested in post season interviews than preseason at this point. He's never going to say it's great because that means the coaches are satisfied. It's a lot better now than it was previously. Changing a culture takes more than one season and a couple of recruiting classes. This is why the staff has focused on recruiting captains from high school to help create a stable culture of hard work.
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[boiler17]

Originally posted by nips18:
I'd be more interested in post season interviews than preseason at this point. He's never going to say it's great because that means the coaches are satisfied. It's a lot better now than it was previously. Changing a culture takes more than one season and a couple of recruiting classes. This is why the staff has focused on recruiting captains from high school to help create a stable culture of hard work.

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As would I, and will put 2014 behind me now. Was just bringing it up as relevant to what I saw this season.

Every team Ive ever seen votes the most athletic kids as captains because they earn the respect of the kids in the offseason. I don't think its terribly indicative of character. I'd be shocked if the bulk of D1 recruits weren't captains. I'm guessing something like 60-70%? That said, perhaps they are recruiting character over talent.

And its been two years. How long do you think a reasonable culture change timeframe is?

 

[nips18]

Gotta get his guys into leadership roles. That means it should start to shift this year because he will now have recruited a few upperclassmen.
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[boiler17]

Originally posted by nips18:
Gotta get his guys into leadership roles. That means it should start to shift this year because he will now have recruited a few upperclassmen.

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If thats what we are waiting for, isnt it more like 2016?

Thats a reasonable thought though. Im sure my thoughts on the matter are clear. Im not trying to be combative when I ask do you think it will work? I take it you dont agree with my 'Most D1 recruits are captains' thought?

 

[nips18]

Yes probably most but that's not always the case. It wasn't at my high school 15 years ago, but probably could be.
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