So your entire argument is based on the fact that Painter has gone 2-3 in the last 3 NCAA tournaments?
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Nope. But I don’t believe I can look at his tournament resume’ without including the last 3 years. When I factor his 1 Elite 8, 6 sweet 16’s, getting bounced by an 11, 12, 13, 15 and 16 and an overall tournament record of 17-15, I come to the conclusion that he is mediocre in the tournament. It’s ok that you view that as successful, I just don’t.
You said “really bad tournament coach”. None of that supports that statement.
Ok. That’s fine that you don’t agree with me. Again, you clearly are happy with those results. I’m not. I believe Purdue should be better than that.
I didn’t say I was happy, in fact I started a different thread with suggested changes for him.
I’m simply pointing out that there is no metric that shows Painter is a “really bad tournament coach”.
Nor is there a metric that shows Painter is “mediocre” compared to other B1G or P5 coaches.
Again, you believe that an overall tournament record of 17-15 is good. I believe it’s mediocre. You believe losing to an 11, 12, 13, 15 and 16 is good. I think it’s bad.
You said “really bad tournament coach.” No evidence supports that.
So if we had lost 4-5 more games, gotten an 8 or 9 seed and lost in the first round, would you want Painter fired?
Funny use of the word ‘dominated’. Agree that MP needs to figure some things out. Overall he’s been very good. He needs to find ways to produce better results in March.
I cannot be any more clear. You believe losing to an 11, 12, 13, 15 and 16 seed is good. I believe it is really bad. You are not going to get me to agree with you that it is good to lose to those teams when Purdue is superior in talent to them.
FDU’s coach called his shot on video and executed his exact game plan against a #1 seed. Yes, I believe that is dominating.
Unfortunately, Painter just refuses to “figure some things out”. He could be so much better if he could get out of his own way. Having only one defense has proven to be just dumb. Recruiting incomplete basketball players does not work. Favoring try-hards over producers makes no sense. Waiting for a 1980’s offense to come back in style is just lazy.
So you admit your statement that Painter is a “really bad tournament coach” was wrong?
Can you read? I cannot be anymore clear. You think losing to a 11, 12, 13, 15 and is 16 good. I believe it is REALLY BAD.
I asked you by what metric 1 NCAA win per season is “really bad.” Still waiting.
Dude, You and I are not going to agree. Losing to an 11, 12, 13, 15 and 16 is really bad on my metric. Your metric says that losing to an 11, 12, 13, 15 and 16 is really good. That’s fine if you feel that way. You DO NOT have to agree with me.
Let’s try this another way?
Which other coaches with 1 NCAA win per year are “really bad tournament coaches”?
Or, if Painter had lost to Texas last year and to a 9 seed this year, would he still be “really bad”?
Let’s try this. You’re right and I’m wrong. Painter is a good tournament coach and losing to an 11, 12, 13, 15 and 16 prove that he is not only good in the tournament, but just might be great. Happy now?
Serious question, do you consider Cline and Edwards to be 'complete basketball players'? I don't, but they were within a missed RC free throw of a FF.
You're obviously entitled to your view that there are fundamental issues with offensive and defensive scheme. I'm not going to agree with you on that but I do think that MP needs to be better at finding a counter when teams take away what he's trying to do on offense or exploit his defensive game plan.
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This analysis makes no sense. In the game with FDU, what can you possibly point to to indicate that the loss was due to Painter not using a zone defense? Was it the overpowering 63 points, 32 and 31 pts/half, on 38.7% shooting? If Painter had thrown in a zone, would it have reduced the 30.4% 3-pt shooting? Would it have helped the offense score more than 58 points for the game?
I did, and it didn't make sense either. It might have helped if you had named players who would have met your criteria. Who should have been here instead of the players who are here?
But I chose to only address your first criticism, "Having only one defense has proven to be just dumb." I tried to address it. Do you still think it was proven to be a key contributor to the loss?
I see that this is your final stand, is this really all you've got? I expected more from someone who fancies him/herself as a chess player.
Looks like I've overestimated you, my apologies.
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The game plan from FDU was obvious. Pull Edey away from the rim, make him guard the perimeter. Put our slow guards on island with their quick guards, back cut and get layups because Edey wasn’t there to protect the rim. Playing a zone in stretches could’ve been effective because their outside shooting was bad and it might have made them one dimensional.
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Agree with this. After changing his approach to NIL, this is the 2nd change I would like to see CMP make.
Against a small, quick, 5 out offense, why have your 7’-4” 300 lb guy chasing someone 100 lbs lighter than him around the 3 point line ?
Best case is he wastes energy he could be using to get post position or rebound.
Worst case is foul trouble/giving up points in the paint.
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