Football contract suggestions how to make a winning contract for new coach

[Foolmeoncefan]

My suggestion is number one Purdue reserves the right to fire the coach and terminate the contract on the spot, with a set payout which does not include full salary, but a fixed amount. Though, for that option I'd be willing to pay so much more a year in salary say 2.8 to 3 million a year. Annual salary between 2.5 and 3 million a year with a contract time of four years with a termination option for bad performance. Bad performance must be tied in. If you lose 60 percent of your games two years in a row the school reserves right to terminate on the spot without paying you the rest of your contract. You get six months severance like any other job. With huge incentives built in based on merit not on the impressions of a swim team athletic director. If you win you will be rewarded with huge bonuses and contract options can be made based on merit. Nothing should be guaranteed to a loser anymore.

Maybe even a 2 million dollar salary with 100,000 dollar per game wins against big ten schools, or wins against schools in any other major conference. Situate it such that there is more than incentive to win. Winning and results based contract and if need be go to lower college ranks or high school to find that person. A championship coach at lower ranks.

 

[uncleboiler]

No coach is his right mind would sign that contract.

 

[Foolmeoncefan]

No coach is his right mind would sign that contract.

Yah they would. They'd get their guaranteed money on a 2 year deal. Purdue needs to change this situation. Doing the same thing again is absolute insanity. Any coach in america could have gotten the results Hazell got. We could have paid the soccer coach 8 million and he could gave probably done better. I say a two year deal and the that's it. You get a four year deal with a 2 year termination option for bad performance and you balance that out by putting together a super lucrative deal say 4 million per year on the back 9 of the contract if you win half of your big ten games and have a certain attendance in the stands. The one coach who takes that is the one Purdue needs. If you are just going to go out there and pay someone 10 million no matter what they do they're gonna pull a Hazell. They'll show up with pizza for the team and they'll be laughing to the bank, but the school isn't winning. If you structure the contract all in favor of the coach then expect another Hazell.

 

[Foolmeoncefan]

I say this, Purdue needs to say what if Purdue won a national title in football. How much is that worth ? Take the future value of that and put a number on that. What is that worth? If Purdue cannot answer that question then they have no business making the next hire. Outsource the decision to a consultant. If you know the value of that then you can buy any coach.

Take a hypothetical example. Lets say the value of that is 200 million. Its probably closer to 100, but lets say 100 then, you have 20 million in coaching incentives you can incorporate. You hire a guy that has THE SKILLS. That's what you look for. All the intangibles, along with personality, and skill. With the widest interpretations. Then you say ok we got our guy. You say ok here's the deal.

Q1... How many games can you win for Purdue within the first two years. That's the only question that matters. You ask that coach straight up how many games. Big ten games. No BS win crap. How many BT wins can you pull within 2 years. Lets say he says your last coach got .5 per year so I'll guanratee you 2 per year (4 wins) during the first 2 years.

Purdue then says (knowing the value per win), we will pay you 1.8 million per year (slightly under Hazell) and pay your assistant coaches X per yr (slightly over Hazell's), under a 4 year deal, with a bad performance provision, if you don't win 4 Big Ten games we can terminate last two years of contract. If you do win 4 games we guarantee you the last two years, plus 2 more if you win half your big ten games during your next two years, plus double the salary, plus 1.5 million per bowl win, and 4 million for a championship bout, an additional 500k if you win. And a per game bonus for big ten wins, a double bonus for ranked team wins, and additional bonus for non conference big 5 wins. A contract like that gives a coach the chance to be paid top dollar, but assures Purdue gets its end of the deal. Plenty of coaches will take that offer and deliver. Purdue needs to figure out what a win is worth all around, and especially tweek such a contract to a win win and not a Hazell deal.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I say this, Purdue needs to say what if Purdue won a national title in football. How much is that worth ? Take the future value of that and put a number on that. What is that worth? If Purdue cannot answer that question then they have no business making the next hire. Outsource the decision to a consultant. If you know the value of that then you can buy any coach.

Take a hypothetical example. Lets say the value of that is 200 million. Its probably closer to 100, but lets say 100 then, you have 20 million in coaching incentives you can incorporate. You hire a guy that has THE SKILLS. That's what you look for. All the intangibles, along with personality, and skill. With the widest interpretations. Then you say ok we got our guy. You say ok here's the deal.

Q1... How many games can you win for Purdue within the first two years. That's the only question that matters. You ask that coach straight up how many games. Big ten games. No BS win crap. How many BT wins can you pull within 2 years. Lets say he says your last coach got .5 per year so I'll guanratee you 2 per year (4 wins) during the first 2 years.

Purdue then says (knowing the value per win), we will pay you 1.8 million per year (slightly under Hazell) and pay your assistant coaches X per yr (slightly over Hazell's), under a 4 year deal, with a bad performance provision, if you don't win 4 Big Ten games we can terminate last two years of contract. If you do win 4 games we guarantee you the last two years, plus 2 more if you win half your big ten games during your next two years, plus double the salary, plus 1.5 million per bowl win, and 4 million for a championship bout, an additional 500k if you win. And a per game bonus for big ten wins, a double bonus for ranked team wins, and additional bonus for non conference big 5 wins. A contract like that gives a coach the chance to be paid top dollar, but assures Purdue gets its end of the deal. Plenty of coaches will take that offer and deliver. Purdue needs to figure out what a win is worth all around, and especially tweek such a contract to a win win and not a Hazell deal.

So your solution is to pay a coach less than Hazell and his staff and expect them to be better? How does that make any sense at all? You know what Michigsn did..they spent a ton of money for Harbaugh and his amazing staff..and look where they are now. Purdue, if it is truly serious about making the football program relevant, needs to allocate a minimum of $5-6 million per year if it truly wants to get out of this mess in a relatively quick time frame. Allocating those funds allows to get the attention of every candidate to be able to hire his staff he needs to be successful at Purdue. You have to spend money to make money and Michigan did just that. They are in the drivers seat to make it to the playoff his year and have turned a major corner in year two. Nobody expects Purdue to suddenly get to that point but the right coach, with the right staff, can take Purdue to 6-8 wins in a short amount of time in the B1G West.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

So your solution is to pay a coach less than Hazell and his staff and expect them to be better? How does that make any sense at all? You know what Michigsn did..they spent a ton of money for Harbaugh and his amazing staff..and look where they are now. Purdue, if it is truly serious about making the football program relevant, needs to allocate a minimum of $5-6 million per year if it truly wants to get out of this mess in a relatively quick time frame. Allocating those funds allows to get the attention of every candidate to be able to hire his staff he needs to be successful at Purdue. You have to spend money to make money and Michigan did just that. They are in the drivers seat to make it to the playoff his year and have turned a major corner in year two. Nobody expects Purdue to suddenly get to that point but the right coach, with the right staff, can take Purdue to 6-8 wins in a short amount of time in the B1G West.

Head Coach: $3 million
OC: $600-$750k
DC: $600-$750k
All major other staff: $150-$250k
Dedicated Recruiting Coordinator: $200k

That would total roughly between $5-$6 million in salary. You give candidates that information first and allow them to see they will suddenly be getting the resources they need to be successful and watch Purdue's fortune turn quickly. In all honestly, jump at Mike Stoops at Kentucky. He is a great recruiter who has ties to Illinois and Illinois. He happens to play in the SEC. Even in the East, he has to compete with a resurgent Tennessee, a building Florida program, and a Georgia program that will look to build after Richt. Add in Missouri who has won the East twice and South Carolina with a new head coach, and Stoops may be interested in heading North to another rebuild in a much easier division.

 

[Foolmeoncefan]

So your solution is to pay a coach less than Hazell and his staff and expect them to be better? How does that make any sense at all? You know what Michigsn did..they spent a ton of money for Harbaugh and his amazing staff..and look where they are now. Purdue, if it is truly serious about making the football program relevant, needs to allocate a minimum of $5-6 million per year if it truly wants to get out of this mess in a relatively quick time frame. Allocating those funds allows to get the attention of every candidate to be able to hire his staff he needs to be successful at Purdue. You have to spend money to make money and Michigan did just that. They are in the drivers seat to make it to the playoff his year and have turned a major corner in year two. Nobody expects Purdue to suddenly get to that point but the right coach, with the right staff, can take Purdue to 6-8 wins in a short amount of time in the B1G West.

My suggestion is to pay them more. But not until they deliver. Like I said you put the money where the mouth is period. 1.8 million is a starting point. If the coach won 5 big ten games that year at the bonus his salary could be 2.5 million, plus an addition 700,000 per bowl, now 3.2 million, plus a two year extension automatic because he met his 4 game quota, with the back nine at an additional million plus per year.

If he lost all the games like Hazell he gets his 3.8 mill and bye bye.

 

[uncleboiler]

I say this, Purdue needs to say what if Purdue won a national title in football. How much is that worth ? Take the future value of that and put a number on that. What is that worth? If Purdue cannot answer that question then they have no business making the next hire. Outsource the decision to a consultant. If you know the value of that then you can buy any coach.

Take a hypothetical example. Lets say the value of that is 200 million. Its probably closer to 100, but lets say 100 then, you have 20 million in coaching incentives you can incorporate. You hire a guy that has THE SKILLS. That's what you look for. All the intangibles, along with personality, and skill. With the widest interpretations. Then you say ok we got our guy. You say ok here's the deal.

Q1... How many games can you win for Purdue within the first two years. That's the only question that matters. You ask that coach straight up how many games. Big ten games. No BS win crap. How many BT wins can you pull within 2 years. Lets say he says your last coach got .5 per year so I'll guanratee you 2 per year (4 wins) during the first 2 years.

Purdue then says (knowing the value per win), we will pay you 1.8 million per year (slightly under Hazell) and pay your assistant coaches X per yr (slightly over Hazell's), under a 4 year deal, with a bad performance provision, if you don't win 4 Big Ten games we can terminate last two years of contract. If you do win 4 games we guarantee you the last two years, plus 2 more if you win half your big ten games during your next two years, plus double the salary, plus 1.5 million per bowl win, and 4 million for a championship bout, an additional 500k if you win. And a per game bonus for big ten wins, a double bonus for ranked team wins, and additional bonus for non conference big 5 wins. A contract like that gives a coach the chance to be paid top dollar, but assures Purdue gets its end of the deal. Plenty of coaches will take that offer and deliver. Purdue needs to figure out what a win is worth all around, and especially tweek such a contract to a win win and not a Hazell deal.

Saban,Meyer,Miles or in fact, any coach that's good, would laugh at Purdue if they offered that stupid contract...that's not how this works...that's not how any of this works...good coaches dictate the terms of a contract...not the schools.

 

[echs86]

Nobody is coming to Purdue or any Power-5 school for a contract like that! You can go after Stoops, because UK fans want him gone.

 

[Foolmeoncefan]

Saban,Meyer,Miles or in fact, any coach that's good, would laugh at Purdue if they offered that stupid contract...that's not how this works...that's not how any of this works...good coaches dictate the terms of a contract...not the schools.

You don't need to get a coach like that. Coaches have proven 10 times over for 1/10th Purdue's salary. Those are not bad contract terms. Hope worked for far far less and delivered far more. You do not need a coach that is already over the bump. Purdue needs a coach underneith who has the skills looking to come up to the bigs. They need to look where other schools haven't, but need someone to select the coach based on skill. You don't shoot from the hip and throw darts at this. You need the right calc built in. You find the guy who has the skills but hasn't gotten noticed yet. You put him on the big stage. He'll deliver. But you can't give him a blank check.

You get a guy who starts out at 1.5 to 1.8M per year, but you're only guaranteed a 2 year deal, unless you produce something. You have to make a quota that is mutually agreed on for the back 9 of the contract plus the raise for delivering with huge incentives mutually beneficial to the university.

For example, 1.8 lets say over two years. A 70,000 per game bonus for all big ten games or all power 5 conference games that are won, with double if a team is ranked. So lets say Hazell made 2.2 mill per year over 4, Purdue is out nearly 10 million for 8 wins, with only 5 against D1 teams and only 2 against big ten. That is 5 million dollars per big ten win. Under the new contract for the new coach, the coach gets a potential to earn 4 million per year, plus an additional million for a bowl appearance, plus an additional million for a big ten title appearance, plus an additional 500,000 for winning any conference championship. The potential is for 6.5 million a year. If the coach made his quota of 2 big ten wins per year over first two years, the cost per big ten win would be approximately 1 million per win on the low end to 4-500,000 if they win half. Its a perfect setup for both sides. You get bowl game bonus, you get extra bonus to win. As opposed to 5 million blank check per big ten win?

We don't need a brand name coach. We need a coach who wants to win and one who is motivated as such. Hazell proves that you can't go into a car dealership and pay double for the used BMW. Purdue went in and said I'll buy that used old BMW and pay the price of a Ferarri and actually think that car will win the race and that it was a good deal on top of it. Disaster is what happened. We need the guy who negotiates the price of the used BMW knowing that is special light weight strong frame perfect to drop in an Indy 500 race car engine and with the perfect frame to add special tires and fuel lines into it, knowing the car can be made faster than the others, and that the car was specially made for a driver that knows exactly how to win the race with that exact car. When he wins the race he delivers the revenue and gets his cut.