Eden Ewing
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Technically speaking...unless a kid is one and done, every kid is a project. You really just sound like a dummy at this point.
This is the vision that popped in to my head while reading her responses....
Just goes to show the family attitude and culture CMP has cultivated in this team. I like it!
You can call them what you want but they are hear and they will be good despite what u may think sir.
We definitely not the same person I'm a parent and a real fan ,that guy is a miserable man who mad at purdue and painter for not getting to a national championship.
You're "truth" is no where near reality, sorry charlie.
He's either drunk or high. That can be the only explanation at this point I fear.
When did he arrive?
What you said was your opinion.
Wether is true or not is yet to be seen.
Back when the administration cut the hell out of the recruiting budget, he had little choice but to take a few projects. Now not so much. You seemed to have missed much of the information about the current team. You seem to have stopped following the Boilermakers around 3-4 years ago.
I don't think I can agree with your assessment of how long it takes to learn offense and defense at a D1 high-basketball-level school like Purdue. Many times freshmen struggle for most of their first year before getting it together. I think you underestimate the effort of this process, and how long it takes.
I don't understand why you feel the need to take pot-shots at Ewing, and then at a parent of one of our players. What gives?
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So let me understand this correctly, Ewing is now considered a project??? This after not playing enough at WUG? And that he should have known the offense and defense after playing with the team for less than a month? I'm not saying he is or isn't but to derive that assumption from such limited information is insanity.
Pardon me. So you say didn't see him play, therefore he isn't good. Doesn't matter how you word it. You admit your inferences are based on ignorance.
Why are you getting so butthurt over the fact I don't think he's ready to contribute major minutes this year? Find one quote where I said he wasn't good(hint, you won't, because i didn't). My view that he won't get major minutes this year is based on him not getting any playing time. How dense are you?
I'm only responding with the facts you are providing. You are making statements about a kid who joined the team late and who you admit you haven't seen play. So your statements are made out of ignorance.
You can print my words I said on the post about Haarms. I don't believe Ewing will be a big factor this year. it's not about lack of talent or arriving late and not knowing our system. I believe it's more about lack of available minutes.
Everybody on this board has said has will receive increased minutes. One thing Haas proved during the WUG is that he could play a bigger workload without fouling out (except the Canada OT game) . I believe you could pencil Haas in for 25 mins. And Taylor proved he's both heathy and a player. I could see Haas and Taylor becoming a platoon at center leaving virtually 0 minutes at center for any other player including Haarms, Ewing and Grady.
I can also see Painter giving Mathias, C Edwards and PJ significant minutes in the back court with Eastern and Cline getting significant minutes as back-ups or starting. I kind of envision that as 5 players for 3 spots, with maybe V Edwards playing a couple of minutes at SF. if Mathias sits for awhile. .
and that leaves V Edwards to play 30 minutes - primarily at PF. It would be nice if Vince played more minutes at SF , but I don't see that happening.
What I see is Vince playing 25-30 minutes most games at PF and leaving 10-15 minutes for Haarms, Ewing and Grady to fight over depending on the situation. I just believe taylor is too good for Haarms to get any significant minutes at center.
now this part is sort of for bolilermaker1973's benefit. Based on what I perceive as available minutes, I can't see Ewing being given more than 10 minutes a game, and Haarms maybe being given 5 mins.
and here is where I disagree. I don't view any of our current players as projects. I firmly believe Eastern is a starter. I believe Cline, Ewing, and Taylor could start for many teams. These players might not receive starters' minutes. But it's not for lack of talent. It's because of our current abundance of talent. Ewing was rated as the #1 Juco PF in the country last year. and on this team, he'll be fighting and scrapping for minutes. Do I see Ewing being an impact player and getting starter's minutes this year? No. However if we have an injury, or somebody in foul trouble, I have full confidence in him to take over with little drop-off in talent .
I liken this team to the Broadway play Hamilton. You have the stars and leading roles. You have the supporting cast members. and you have the understudies who could be called upon at anytime to assume a starring role. and like a Broadway play, you have players who could easily be stars of the traveling touring cast in other cities. You have one director, and each player giving 150%. You put them all together, and you have a great ensemble worthy of watching.
Everybody on this board has said has will receive increased minutes. One thing Haas proved during the WUG is that he could play a bigger workload without fouling out (except the Canada OT game) . I believe you could pencil Haas in for 25 mins. And Taylor proved he's both heathy and a player. I could see Haas and Taylor becoming a platoon at center leaving virtually 0 minutes at center for any other player including Haarms, Ewing and Grady.
I can also see Painter giving Mathias, C Edwards and PJ significant minutes in the back court with Eastern and Cline getting significant minutes as back-ups or starting. I kind of envision that as 5 players for 3 spots, with maybe V Edwards playing a couple of minutes at SF. if Mathias sits for awhile. .
and that leaves V Edwards to play 30 minutes - primarily at PF. It would be nice if Vince played more minutes at SF , but I don't see that happening.
What I see is Vince playing 25-30 minutes most games at PF and leaving 10-15 minutes for Haarms, Ewing and Grady to fight over depending on the situation. I just believe taylor is too good for Haarms to get any significant minutes at center.
now this part is sort of for bolilermaker1973's benefit. Based on what I perceive as available minutes, I can't see Ewing being given more than 10 minutes a game, and Haarms maybe being given 5 mins.
and here is where I disagree. I don't view any of our current players as projects. I firmly believe Eastern is a starter. I believe Cline, Ewing, and Taylor could start for many teams. These players might not receive starters' minutes. But it's not for lack of talent. It's because of our current abundance of talent. Ewing was rated as the #1 Juco PF in the country last year. and on this team, he'll be fighting and scrapping for minutes. Do I see Ewing being an impact player and getting starter's minutes this year? No. However if we have an injury, or somebody in foul trouble, I have full confidence in him to take over with little drop-off in talent .
I liken this team to the Broadway play Hamilton. You have the stars and leading roles. You have the supporting cast members. and you have the understudies who could be called upon at anytime to assume a starring role. and like a Broadway play, you have players who could easily be stars of the traveling touring cast in other cities. You have one director, and each player giving 150%. You put them all together, and you have a great ensemble worthy of watching.
Youre statements are even more ignorant. What has he shown you to make a statement that he will be a major contributor? Nothing other than blind ignorance. I'll be watitng for your next strawman.
I really wish you potato IQ'd IU trolls would just head back to your hole. You're already been made to look foolish on here with pretty much everyone refuting your statements yet you remain. Which either means you're not just ignorant but have so low of intelligence that you can't see it.
And take the other iu trolls like tynd and 73 with you.
There you go again calling anyone with a differing opinion an IU troll (73 actually might be). Nothing John Hoosier has said shows he is trolling or an IU fan. If he was stating "Vince Edwards is going to be terrible and Colin Hartman is going to destroy him", then he would be an IU troll. The guy simply doesn't know if Ewing will play a big role on this team. It's probably too early to determine if that's true or not.
This is a basketball forum. If everyone had the same opinions it wouldn't be worth coming here, would it? I'm sorry that John Hoosier and I's opinions offend you. As I've told a poster before, perhaps you should take advantage of the "Ignore" feature. You would not see posts from anyone you don't wish to anymore.
Have a good day.
No I am calling people that act like a troll, a troll. If you present yourself like a troll like you, johnhoosier and 1973 all do, then you're going to get called on it. I have no problem with people having differing opinions, it's when you present it in the manner you do is when you're labeled a troll.
I also find it ironic that the only people getting riled up over it and supporting or agreeing with one another are you, 73 and hoosier.
Perhaps if you don't like being labeled a troll, you should take your own advice and ignore everyone that calls you out or simply go back to wherever you iu people congregate now.
Getting riled up about what? This is my first comment on this post? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I have agreed with 73 on almost anything. I could care less what you think, so I won't put you on ignore. I'm not going anywhere though.
Ya i think I'll stay. And if any here is of low intelligence it most definitely would be you judging by this outrageously stupid post. I stand by what I say and don't care that you don't like or agree with it. Maybe contribute to the basketball discussion and add something of substance other than name calling like a petulant child. This isn't a safe space where every comment you're going to like or agree with. Go start your own forum if thats what you want, though you most likely would be the the only there.
You can't see ewing getting more than 10 minutes a game??!! Dude you're such a troll!
Clearly you do otherwise you wouldn't get so worked up over being called out on things. It's okay, we all know your act as it is nothing new here and long after you and the other iu trolls are gone, someone else will try the same thing and be called out for it just as much.
You've outed yourself as a name calling child. I have no desire to discuss basketball with you.
This coming from the troll that uses terms like 'butthurt', which no one over the age of 13 ever uses.
So you first tell me to discuss basketball then turn around and say 'I have no desire to discuss basketball with you'. Essentially showing your true intent here which is as I called it. If anyone was 'outed' it was you and by your own words.
My work here is complete and I am done responding to you since you're just here to troll as you just admitted. You lose.
How about this, you're both acting like tools. Both of you need to grow up.
I would love to see a thread not go to crap on here. Just once. Am I dreaming?
I respond based on what a person posts and you're right, I spent entirely too much time on someone that is just here to troll like jh is. His intent is clear enough that I shouldn't wasted time outing him like I did as trolls like him ultimately expose themselves in the long run.
I will try and do better going forward.
The trend developing is that the guys who want Painter fired don't care if there argument make sense or whom it offends. They are fine with causing damage if it supports their end goal.
Relax guys. You ‘all are taking this too seriously. Yes, dissenting opinions are welcome. If you provide a negative statement, you do need to anticipate some push back. In other words, if you drop a deuce on the table, don’t be surprised if you are asked to pick it up or justify it.
Let’s take this example and learn from it: Ewing is the #1 JUCO PF in the country, so most of us think he might be pretty good. Then someone posts that because he hasn’t seen Ewing play, he might not be much help this year (stated as a negative). It’s a reasonable comment, but when combined with not seeing him play, the credibility of the opinion is undermined. Of course, 1973 piles on by saying Painter takes on too many “projects”. This sets up the argument. Several other posters point out the weakness of the initial negative post, but the original poster refuses to acknowledge that his negative opinion is based on very little evidence, and then feels threatened when others pursue the issue.
Let me suggest that posting a negative or controversial opinion with little evidence to back it up will always start trouble. Refusing to acknowledge that the posting is weakly supported, and acting hostile is a troll-like behavior. Now I don’t think anybody in this direct conversation are trolls, except maybe 1973. However, I think there is some troll-like behavior going on with folks who seem to be butt-hurt their posted argument was refuted. I suggest that everyone just back off a bit and relax. Nothing serious need to be settled right now. In a couple months we will know so much more about Mr. Ewing's abilities.
Let’s take this example and learn from it: Ewing is the #1 JUCO PF in the country, so most of us think he might be pretty good. Then someone posts that because he hasn’t seen Ewing play, he might not be much help this year (stated as a negative). It’s a reasonable comment, but when combined with not seeing him play, the credibility of the opinion is undermined. Of course, 1973 piles on by saying Painter takes on too many “projects”. This sets up the argument. Several other posters point out the weakness of the initial negative post, but the original poster refuses to acknowledge that his negative opinion is based on very little evidence, and then feels threatened when others pursue the issue.
Let me suggest that posting a negative or controversial opinion with little evidence to back it up will always start trouble. Refusing to acknowledge that the posting is weakly supported, and acting hostile is a troll-like behavior. Now I don’t think anybody in this direct conversation are trolls, except maybe 1973. However, I think there is some troll-like behavior going on with folks who seem to be butt-hurt their posted argument was refuted. I suggest that everyone just back off a bit and relax. Nothing serious need to be settled right now. In a couple months we will know so much more about Mr. Ewing's abilities.
I believe I stated my opinion and supported it. Ewing is a tremendous talent. but in order for him to get more than 10 minutes a game, he's going to have to take those minutes away from somebody else.
I don't see him taking any minutes from the Haas/Taylor combo at center.
No matter how good Ewing is, he's not taking any minutes away from V Edwards.
and I envision Painter going more with a 3 guard offense this year with V Edwards at PF.
Taking a look at ALL of our players, minutes and positions, I see at max 15-20 minutes remaining for Ewing, Wheeler, Grady and Harms at the PF position. And I don't see Painter giving all of those minutes to Ewing. Being objective, I see Ewing getting 10 minutes this year and increasing to 20+ next year.
As I said, it's not a matter of talent, it's a matter of available minutes. And NO , I don't see V Edwards playing a lot of Sf and benching Mathias or C Edwards being benched just to give Ewing more minutes. And that's what it's going to take for him to receive more than 10 minutes.
I see Eastern and Cline in similar situations. they will earn at least 10 minutes. but to increase their playing time, they will have to take minutes away from C Edwards, Mathias and PJ. and the better Eastern and Cline become, the fewer minutes V Edwards plays at Sf . thus the fewer minutes Ewing plays at PF.
and trust me , NO troll would ever bother writing the length of posts I do, because very few people take the time to read my entire post.
This was in August and there was nothing in front of Octeus. Not to mention he was a grad transfer. This is a terrible comparison. It's impossible to say what Octeus would have done, and this is a unique and different situation. If January hits and he still isn't trusted, then there is something to worry about. The only way Ewing doesn't see decent minutes is if Wheeler or Haarms really improve and beat him out. Ewing is stronger and has more of a typical 4 size than Wheeler. Ewing is also way more athletic than Haarms. If Ewing doesn't play much, it is because Purdue is getting more than expected out of Haarms/Wheeler and I am ok with that.
I'll put this out there ... I like Ewing and his talent. But where do you see his minutes coming from? I just don't see it. He's not going to play center. He's not taking any minutes from our players in the back court. and because of Eastern and Cline, I believe our backcourt minutes will be a rotation of 5 people for 3 positions.
the only position I see Ewing playing is PF. and I don't see him starting over V Edwards. and I don't see V Edwards playing much at Sf if at all.
So if yo u believe Ewing is going to pla y more tha n 10-15 minutes, show me where and wh o those minutes are going t o come from ?
1. PJ / Eastern = 40 minutes 25/15
2. Mathias /Cline / Sasha = 40 minutes 25/10/5
3. C Edwards/Eastern/Cline/V Edwards = 40 minutes 25/5/5/5
4. Haas/Taylor = 40 minutes 25/15
5. V Edwards = 30 minutes 25 at PF and 5 a t SF
Haarms might see some minutes at center.
that leaves :
Haarms/Ewing/ Grady/Wheeler = 15 minutes.
Show me where Ewing is going to get more than 10-15 minutes ?? Do you believe V Edwards is going to switch to SF and spell Mathias or Edwards? Or that C Edwards or Mathias are going to come off the bench in a reduced role?
we all agree Ewing has talent and is worthy of starters' minutes. But in order to get increased playing time, he's going to have to beat out somebody for those minutes. And as it looks to me now, C Edwards and Eastern claimed the minutes Biggie left. and we're going with a 3 guard team.
I'd love for Ewing to play more minutes, but rather than calling people a troll or say he's great and he should get starts' minutes, show me where those minutes are coming from. because , I just don't see it.
I see Ewing getting 25+ minutes next year, but not this year. And next year, Williams and Haarms could be battling for minutes at PF
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