Don't we need another Guard?
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That list was from last year, and half of them could not beat out Smith.
NCAA Basketball: Ranking the 20 point guards for 2022-23 Bob Cousy Award
There are 20 talented NCAA Basketball players in early contention for the Bob Cousy Award for best point guard in 2022-23. Who has the best shot at winning?bustingbrackets.com
Why do you make stuff up? We lost to 3 double digit seeds but one of those was in Sweet 16.
For some arcane reason, our loss in the first round this year has propelled Bonefish into a posting frenzy. He has posted almost non-stop since the loss, and it's always the same exaggerated made-up nonsense. If you just read his posts, you would think Purdue basketball is the Titanic and the band has just started to play "Nearer, my God, to Thee".
News flash #1: We are coming into the 2023-24 season as a top ten team, with players good enough to justify and defend that ranking.
News flash #2: No matter how good your players are, you can still lose in the NCAA. Year after year good teams fall to lesser seeds with lesser players, every year.
You don't know me very well. I've been on this posting frenzy well before our historically bad loss this past tourney.
And what exactly am I making up? What facts am I ignoring?
I know you're probably the type that think making the tourney is the goal and everything after that is gravy, but most Purdue fans understand that deep tourney runs are what matter.
And by the way, thanks Mr. Obvious for pointing out that good teams and players lose in the tourney. The difference is, they just don't do it with the consistency of a Matt Painter coached team.
The same reason you make up that we made 5 S16s in a row.....
No idea but I would expect that some of the players who are on that list will underperform relative to expectations and if Braden is not on that list that he'll be close to that level by year end (top 15 to 30 pg's in the country).
Per Lenny: But ..... But .... But ..... he probably won't be #1.
Bone,
You do know we have been in 4 of last 6 Sweet 18's with one of those being an Elite 8, where if not for a missed FT and/or a fluke play, we go to Final 4. We have also won 3 Big Titles in last 7 years and 1 Big Ten tourney. So sky is falling?
Weren't you the one who asked who would I'd rather have than Smith? Well, if the Cousy watch list is a list of the 20 best PGs in the country, I'd probably trade one of them.
PU, you do know that we've lost to double digit seeds in 4 of the last 4 years, including the worse lost in NCAA tournament history last year.
So, is the sky falling? I'm not sure, but the trend certainly isn't going in the right direction.
You've posted this twice, where do you get losses to double digit seeds four years in a row? NTU, SPU, FDU
It's been bad.......real bad, but let's correct the record here - it's the last three years (with two in the first round).....now carry on with the regularly scheduled fun.......
My mistake, it was 3 bad double digit seed losses in a row, not 4.
Matt Painter's NCAA Tournament record draws heavy criticism following loss to Fairleigh Dickinson
Matt Painter and the Boilermakers fell short of expectations once again.
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Incorrect!
Lost to (16)FDU round 1 2023
Lost to (15)S Peters sweet 16 2022
Lost to (13)North Texas round 1 2021
2020 canceled
Lost to (1)Virginia elite eight 2019
Lost to (3)Texas Tech sweet 16 2018
Lost to (1)Kansas sweet 16 2017
Lost to (12)Arkansas Little Rock round 1 2016
Another sobering (disappointing?) fact about those last 7 appearances, is that Painter only once beat a higher seed, and that was only a 3v2 against Tenn.
And as usual, he's being dishonest. But if you follow his posts over the years, that part isn't new.
In 8 years 3 sweet 16 and an elite eight appearance…seems more respectable than many teams and definitely better than the picture you attempt to paint imo!
If that's "IMO", then that's fine. IMO, not being able to get past the S16, other than 1 time despite a lot of opportunities, is concerning.
That, coupled with the fact that 2 years ago, we had a lottery pick and lost to a 15, and last year, we had the consensus POY and lost to a 16.
So, what picture am I missing?
Hey, if you're happy with a S16 appearance and to you, that constitutes a successful tourney run, then that's OK. But a lot of Purdue fans expect more.
Smith had the best freshman season of any point guard under Painter, but he needs to keep improving and I expect that he will. Point guard is a difficult position to play as a freshman because it is the position responsible for advancing the ball and initiating the offense. I am excited to see what he can do as a sophomore.
Great article highlighting the big brains on Twitter. If fans get offended by folks posting anything they can to get followed they should hang it up.My mistake, it was 3 bad double digit seed losses in a row, not 4.
Matt Painter's NCAA Tournament record draws heavy criticism following loss to Fairleigh Dickinson
Matt Painter and the Boilermakers fell short of expectations once again.
A lot of tender hearts with hurt feelings.
Make a top 5 list of pg’s under painter. It’s not pretty. Smith did play better than expected, but we should never have been in the position we were in last year where he had to start and play major minutes. Guard play was why we lost to fdu.
Smith played poorly against FDU, but he was trying to do too much instead of letting the game come to him. I think it’s very correctable.
As far as the comment about the list of Purdue’s top 5 point guards not looking pretty, it will look a lot prettier when Smith is done with his career at Purdue.
That's because we've had such high seeds...if you go back the 7 or 8 years prior we upset 8 Arizona, 7 st Mary's, and 4 seed Washington...did painter forget how to coach now or did we get better seeds?....answer is obvious....
If he’s able to make even 3rd team all big ten I would consider that a massive success.
I can’t argue with that, but I won’t be at all surprised if he pulls it off.
There are a lot of good point guards in the conference returning next season. Buie and Young will be tough to beat out for the top two spots (but frankly they may both be first team all Big Ten).
And to be clear I just meant at any point in his career, next year I don’t see him with any chance at 3rd team.
Man, you're really reaching. Painter has only 1 time in his NCAA tourney career at Purdue, beaten a team seeded more that 1 seed higher and that was a 10 v 7 against....Not Duke, UNC, Kansas or Kentucky, but rather against that perennial national powerhouse.....St. Mary's.
Statistically, it can be argued that beating St. Mary's is Painter's greatest NCAA tourney win as HC of Purdue.
The other two "upsets" you reference were a 9 v 8 and a 5 v 4, which are essentially toss up games.
This is just additional supporting evidence for the crowd who doesn't believe Painter is a good tourney coach.
So your goal every year is get a crappy seed in the tournament so we have a chance for an “upset” ?
No. The goal is to get as high a seed as possible, not to get beat by lower seeds and beat higher seeds on the way to a FF and NC. (because if you're going to advance deep into the tourney, you're going to have to beat some really good teams, likely 1 or 2 seeds.
Painter is failing at 2/3 of that equation.
If you get a 1 seed, how are you going to “beat higher seeds” ?
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