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C'mon, you don't really believe that. Do you think Stevens left because he had always dreamed of coaching the Celtics and went there for the same or less money? Of course not, he left because of the cash! There is nothing magical about Butler, they will lose coaches for more money just like any other school.

Although, there is some extra appeal for an opportunity to coach one of the two top franchises in the NBA.....well, at least before Dr. Jerry Buss passed away.....that alone wouldn't appear to be enough of an enticement. And the $$$ just gets bigger with the NBA now being flush with it.

Who else high-profile has walked away from a good college gig to the NBA? Calipari, Pitino, Donovan......Hoiberg....right off the top of my head.
 
Although, there is some extra appeal for an opportunity to coach one of the two top franchises in the NBA.....well, at least before Dr. Jerry Buss passed away.....that alone wouldn't appear to be enough of an enticement. And the $$$ just gets bigger with the NBA now being flush with it.

Who else high-profile has walked away from a good college gig to the NBA? Calipari, Pitino, Donovan......Hoiberg....right off the top of my head.
Cash is King. I like Butler and think it is a good college coaching job to have. But there is no way they are keeping coaches there because it is so great they don't want to leave. There are a few programs in the country where that might be the case, but Butler isn't one of them.
 
Cash is King. I like Butler and think it is a good college coaching job to have. But there is no way they are keeping coaches there because it is so great they don't want to leave. There are a few programs in the country where that might be the case, but Butler isn't one of them.

No real argument here, Dry.
 
C'mon, you don't really believe that. Do you think Stevens left because he had always dreamed of coaching the Celtics and went there for the same or less money? Of course not, he left because of the cash! There is nothing magical about Butler, they will lose coaches for more money just like any other school.
And I quote Brad Stevens, "In the NBA, I work four months. I don't have to recruit, and I get to spend the entire summer on Wawasee, sitting on my patio and in my boat enjoying my kids and family". "Why would I ever want to go back to coaching at the collegiate level"
 
But was this the last Purdue Drive-by? Many on Peegs think so. So can I be banned on Peegs for writing something on our site that they don't like? The IU stinky hole watchers are everywhere.
 
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Cash is King. I like Butler and think it is a good college coaching job to have. But there is no way they are keeping coaches there because it is so great they don't want to leave. There are a few programs in the country where that might be the case, but Butler isn't one of them.

Brad did turn down 2 other NBA offers before the Celtics as well as college programs offering significantly more $$, so there's that. But Brad's pretty unique as he's not as motivated by money as some of these other guys .
 
Brad did turn down 2 other NBA offers before the Celtics as well as college programs offering significantly more $$, so there's that. But Brad's pretty unique as he's not as motivated by money as some of these other guys .
He also has the benefit of being married to a prominent attorney who adds to the Steven's cash flow quite nicely.
 
C'mon, you don't really believe that. Do you think Stevens left because he had always dreamed of coaching the Celtics and went there for the same or less money? Of course not, he left because of the cash! There is nothing magical about Butler, they will lose coaches for more money just like any other school.
No. Anybody who was paying attention knows why he left. He left because of the challenge of coaching IN THE NBA.

After the first championship game he could have gone anywhere. Anywhere.

Stop and think about what you're writing. If it was "because of the cash", he'd have been long gone before he left for Boston.

No, there's nothing "magical about Butler". But not every coach acts like you think they act.

Whether you ever "get it" or not, it's just not always about the money.
 
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Brad did turn down 2 other NBA offers before the Celtics as well as college programs offering significantly more $$, so there's that. But Brad's pretty unique as he's not as motivated by money as some of these other guys .
this is part of the point.
And, Butler IS a pretty unique place. Especially at this point in time.
Who knows . . . Chris Holtmann might be gone after this year. Then again, he's got it really good right now, which some people just don't get.
 
But was this the last Purdue Drive-by? Many on Peegs think so. So can I be banned on Peegs for writing something on our site that they don't like. The IU stinky hole watchers are everywhere.
Some people here have said that they were banned before they ever posted over there. Now THAT is obsession.
 
No. Anybody who was paying attention knows why he left. He left because of the challenge of coaching IN THE NBA.

After the first championship game he could have gone anywhere. Anywhere.

Stop and think about what you're writing. If it was "because of the cash", he'd have been long gone before he left for Boston.

No, there's nothing "magical about Butler". But not every coach acts like you think they act.

Whether you ever "get it" or not, it's just not always about the money.
Butler doesn't have to pay "top dollar" to keep coaches. Coaches love it there. All they have to keep them happy, and for many it's not just about the $$.
This was your original post that I responded to. Butler does have to pay top dollar or they will lose coaches just like any other program. There is nothing unique about the Butler job that makes it so great coaches will stay there. Stevens may be a little different, but answer me this because I really don't know: Does he make more coaching the Celtics than he did his last year at Butler?? If he left for the same or less money then I stand corrected on him, but I really doubt he took a pay cut.
 
This was your original post that I responded to. Butler does have to pay top dollar or they will lose coaches just like any other program. There is nothing unique about the Butler job that makes it so great coaches will stay there. Stevens may be a little different, but answer me this because I really don't know: Does he make more coaching the Celtics than he did his last year at Butler?? If he left for the same or less money then I stand corrected on him, but I really doubt he took a pay cut.
Really.

Butler does NOT pay top dollar. Nor will they ever. Yet, they could continue to retain successful coaches.

Stevens had his pick of jobs. He stayed at Butler for a variety of reasons. One of which was it's a great gig for someone who enjoys the job. There's little pressure to win a national championship. He could have made a TON more after his first run at the title but stayed. If it was just about the money (as you claim), he would have left. Period. Your argument is toast.

Now, on to Holtmann . .. .

He's a hot commodity. A proven winner.

He might be gone after this year. Who knows? (Answer: You don't. I don't.)

He can stay with limited pressure to win a conference title, or to go on and "win the big one" . . .

In other words, he can continue to build a program (like he has), and do it with less pressure than at Ohio State, Kansas, Duke, Purdue, UCLA, etc., and still make a TON of money.
 
Really.

Butler does NOT pay top dollar. Nor will they ever. Yet, they could continue to retain successful coaches.

Stevens had his pick of jobs. He stayed at Butler for a variety of reasons. One of which was it's a great gig for someone who enjoys the job. There's little pressure to win a national championship. He could have made a TON more after his first run at the title but stayed. If it was just about the money (as you claim), he would have left. Period. Your argument is toast.

Now, on to Holtmann . .. .

He's a hot commodity. A proven winner.

He might be gone after this year. Who knows? (Answer: You don't. I don't.)

He can stay with limited pressure to win a conference title, or to go on and "win the big one" . . .

In other words, he can continue to build a program (like he has), and do it with less pressure than at Ohio State, Kansas, Duke, Purdue, UCLA, etc., and still make a TON of money.
No idea what your love affair is with Butler...... I guess my toast argument will be tested when either Butler pays more or they lose their coach. We shall see. Did Stevens get more money to go to Boston or not?? You left that part out.
 
I haven't wandered over here for a long time. This was definitely worth the time though. TD2 is the authority on the workings of the IU athletic department. LOL.

Purdue looks good. I doubted their guard play and and perimeter game early but they made it work very well.
 
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Heller, someone will draft him but not where he would have been drafted without the injuries. He's just too damned good a shooter. Will OG get drafted after sitting out this season? What about Davis who, IMO, should have been in the line up from day one. Won't surprise me to see him at least test the waters.
Blackmon won't get drafted this year. He literally cannot guard ANYONE who is currently drawing an NBA paycheck.
 
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No idea what your love affair is with Butler...... I guess my toast argument will be tested when either Butler pays more or they lose their coach. We shall see. Did Stevens get more money to go to Boston or not?? You left that part out.

last year at butler = 1.2M
celtics contact avg/yr = 3.67M

and in 2011,
"a recent study by USA Today 32 Division I college basketball coaches earn seven figures annually"
 
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We'll simply have to disagree. 5'6" Yogi just signed a two year deal with the Mav's. Blackmon's every bit the shooter Yogi is. And neither play rock star defense.
Yogi creates for others off the dribble, and plays SOME defense. Blackmon does neither, is too short to play the 2, and WAY too slow to play the 1 in the NBA.

He is not in the Draft Express or nbadraft.net mock drafts for either 2017 or 2018. (By comparison, Biggie, Vince, Haas, OG, and Bryant are.

His game, length, and athletic ability just do not translate to the NBA.

But he can make money for 10-12 years overseas.
 
Blackmon won't get drafted this year. He literally cannot guard ANYONE who is currently drawing an NBA paycheck.

If anyone here consistently watches IUBB, you would know that ^^this^^ is 100% a fact.

Oh, and TD...get that virtual keg tapped, within a week or two you're gonna owe me a virtual beer. He gone, he gone, he gone.
 
And, if and when the job opens up this year, it is very likely to be the highest level opening in the country. High-level coaches expect passionate fan bases, high expectations, the best conferences, very high-level facilities, a big recruiting budget, a huge paycheck, to be at a school where basketball is the highest priority sport, and a history in the sport.

I remember hearing this blabber after Samson. More proof that the IU fan base has lost what knowledge about the game they used to have.

I am BY NO MEANS saying that my post means that IU's next coach will be Stevens, Donovan, Self, Popovich, Red Auerbach, (TIC) or any one particular guy.

But, since you took exception to what I DID say, which one of the characteristics which I listed as relevant to IU did you find to be "blabber", delusional, or even largely false?
 
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If anyone here consistently watches IUBB, you would know that ^^this^^ is 100% a fact.

Oh, and TD...get that virtual keg tapped, within a week or two you're gonna owe me a virtual beer. He gone, he gone, he gone.
I'll mail you the beer if I lose. ;)

He's going no where and you need to tell your IU buddies to lay off the flightware sight. Those aren't Cook or IU planes.
 
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Hoosier, just a simple question: if TC stays, what do you think that the reaction will be both this year and next year? I believe that he is overstocked again so some Creaning will have to be done re scholarships. Isn't that going to lead to more chaos?
 
Hoosier, just a simple question: if TC stays, what do you think that the reaction will be both this year and next year? I believe that he is overstocked again so some Creaning will have to be done re scholarships. Isn't that going to lead to more chaos?

I'll try to answer, though in reverse order of your query:
  1. I guess he is technically oversigned, but not by much. Three recruits are signed. Hartman already has his degree, just had another major knee injury, and has had his senior day, so that's one spot. Between OG (most draft boards have him 15-25), Bryant (draft boards generally have him late 1st/early second), and Blackmon (degree + seems to me like he wants to be paid to play basketball somewhere/anywhere) we are clear. The chances of one other transferring is also strong, not just at IU, but at every school. So to answer this question directly, the oversign will not lead to chaos. BUT, if he stays, the chaos could very well be in the answer to your other question:
  2. The reaction if he stays?
  • Complete, utter, absolute IU message board meltdown (not saying that is a huge deal in the general fanbase).
  • Major booster-money decline
  • Without an extension (yikes!) he would be recruiting '18 kids with their knowledge that he was only under contract for their freshman and soph years.
  • If he doesn't win early and big next year, lots and lots of empty seats, and apathy.
  • Celebration in places like West Lafayette, Ann Arbor, Champaign, etc, etc.
As I have said, I very strongly believe that #2 above is a moot point. He gone, gone, gone.
 
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I find it almost inconceivable that OG is going to be drafted because of his injury
Don't shoot the messenger, but the NBA puts a whole lot of stock on "measurables." OG practically maxes out in that category, and the knee injury hasn't affected that assessment very much. ACL repairs are reasonably common. He's also a high character kid.
 
I do not question his character. What I do question is the risk associated with drafting him, which I believe is quite high.

I have watched OG this season and what I have seen is a decent, but not great shooter. Someone who is a fairly good rebounder, but does that with physicality and athleticism. While quick, he is not fast.

The knee injury and his recovery from that places many of those traits in question. He may come back fully, but he may not. If he doesn't, the diminishment of the skill set really changes his probability of success in the NBA. As a GM, I would want to see real testing on the court over time before I made a draft choice like that. Consider the cases of Oden or Embiid (sp?) of the 76ers. Each had real promise but were injured and every time they came back from injury they had another injury. It cost Oden his career and it may cost the 76er player his as well. In both cases, they were major NBA disappointments to date.
 
I'll try to answer, though in reverse order of your query:
  1. I guess he is technically oversigned, but not by much. Three recruits are signed. Hartman already has his degree, just had another major knee injury, and has had his senior day, so that's one spot. Between OG (most draft boards have him 15-25), Bryant (draft boards generally have him late 1st/early second), and Blackmon (degree + seems to me like he wants to be paid to play basketball somewhere/anywhere) we are clear. The chances of one other transferring is also strong, not just at IU, but at every school. So to answer this question directly, the oversign will not lead to chaos. BUT, if he stays, the chaos could very well be in the answer to your other question:
  2. The reaction if he stays?
  • Complete, utter, absolute IU message board meltdown (not saying that is a huge deal in the general fanbase).
  • Major booster-money decline
  • Without an extension (yikes!) he would be recruiting '18 kids with their knowledge that he was only under contract for their freshman and soph years.
  • If he doesn't win early and big next year, lots and lots of empty seats, and apathy.
  • Celebration in places like West Lafayette, Ann Arbor, Champaign, etc, etc.
As I have said, I very strongly believe that #2 above is a moot point. He gone, gone, gone.
The only way Crean is gone is that he leaves on his own to save face, and I think his ego gets in the way of him doing that. Dead in the Head Fred just isn't going to fire two coaches in one year, though Wilson did him a favor with the cheap buyout.
 
I do not question his character. What I do question is the risk associated with drafting him, which I believe is quite high.

I have watched OG this season and what I have seen is a decent, but not great shooter. Someone who is a fairly good rebounder, but does that with physicality and athleticism. While quick, he is not fast.

The knee injury and his recovery from that places many of those traits in question. He may come back fully, but he may not. If he doesn't, the diminishment of the skill set really changes his probability of success in the NBA. As a GM, I would want to see real testing on the court over time before I made a draft choice like that. Consider the cases of Oden or Embiid (sp?) of the 76ers. Each had real promise but were injured and every time they came back from injury they had another injury. It cost Oden his career and it may cost the 76er player his as well. In both cases, they were major NBA disappointments to date.

I agree with Every. Single. Word. Of what you just posted.

But all it takes is one 1st round NBA GM who has a "potential over performance" mindset. That guy will look at him as a knee-injury discounted bargain at about the 20 slot.
 
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The only way Crean is gone is that he leaves on his own to save face, and I think his ego gets in the way of him doing that. Dead in the Head Fred just isn't going to fire two coaches in one year, though Wilson did him a favor with the cheap buyout.

It will be lovely and gentle and "mutual" when it is announced.

And not that you disputed this, but the buyout is contractually mitigated by what Crean earns afterwards, making it completely irrelevant.
 
It will be lovely and gentle and "mutual" when it is announced.

And not that you disputed this, but the buyout is contractually mitigated by what Crean earns afterwards, making it completely irrelevant.
I've been laughing my behind off reading all your friends posts on the IU board. What amazes me are the idiots who would not want Alford to come home, which I know he'll never do. Donovan, who's honest was questioned at Florida, the Crean Clone at Wichita State, Archie Miller....And all the while Crean will be back next year. The snakes in Missouri would have him peeing his pants.
 
I've been laughing my behind off reading all your friends posts on the IU board. What amazes me are the idiots who would not want Alford to come home, which I know he'll never do. Donovan, who's honest was questioned at Florida, the Crean Clone at Wichita State, Archie Miller....And all the while Crean will be back next year. The snakes in Missouri would have him peeing his pants.

I want a coach that teaches positioning, angles, and defensive awareness. I was at IU when Stevie was; an all time great Hoosier, but Pierre Pierce aside, the strengths of his style of play most closely resemble Crean.

Marshall has a lot more RMK in him than any of the others; both in basketball concepts and in personality. The only thing he has in common with Crean is facial features. The ONLY thing. And I'm guessing that if you're being honest, you would agree with that.

Archie is my personal favorite because even though he hasn't reached the mountain top yet, he's really good, defensive minded, and young.

Donovan? Don't know if it's possible, but if he were hired the dynamics of the conference would immediately shift in IUs direction. He has the championships, and also went 36-3 with a team led by Casey freaking Prather. He's really really good, and I've never heard he's dirty.
 
And also; check my history, I post on IU boards, but never have on Peegs. Lots of IU friends, but none there!
 
I want a coach that teaches positioning, angles, and defensive awareness. I was at IU when Stevie was; an all time great Hoosier, but Pierre Pierce aside, the strengths of his style of play most closely resemble Crean.

Marshall has a lot more RMK in him than any of the others; both in basketball concepts and in personality. The only thing he has in common with Crean is facial features. The ONLY thing. And I'm guessing that if you're being honest, you would agree with that.

Archie is my personal favorite because even though he hasn't reached the mountain top yet, he's really good, defensive minded, and young.

Donovan? Don't know if it's possible, but if he were hired the dynamics of the conference would immediately shift in IUs direction. He has the championships, and also went 36-3 with a team led by Casey freaking Prather. He's really really good, and I've never heard he's dirty.
Have you actually watched UCLA this year? They remind me of the years Knight's teams began to play with the 3 point line. Scored a lot of points, get to the FT line a lot, and have been playing some very good defense the last half of the season. My guess, he loses six to the pro's this year and it won't surprise me to see them in the FF. As for PP, that's been blown way out of proportion.

As for Marshall, I feel the same about him as I did about Crean at Marquette. Didn't like him there, and Marshall would in no way make me want to return to the IU fold, and I certainly don't see much of Bob Knight in the guy's coaching.
 
Have you actually watched UCLA this year? They remind me of the years Knight's teams began to play with the 3 point line. Scored a lot of points, get to the FT line a lot, and have been playing some very good defense the last half of the season. My guess, he loses six to the pro's this year and it won't surprise me to see them in the FF. As for PP, that's been blown way out of proportion.

As for Marshall, I feel the same about him as I did about Crean at Marquette. Didn't like him there, and Marshall would in no way make me want to return to the IU fold, and I certainly don't see much of Bob Knight in the guy's coaching.

Stevie has a long-standing history of teams that are far better offensively than defensively.

I have an idea!
They could do a Bachelor style show of the IU coaching candidates and Painter shilling for your fandom affection.
Lol
 
Stevie has a long-standing history of teams that are far better offensively than defensively.

I have an idea!
They could do a Bachelor style show of the IU coaching candidates and Painter shilling for your fandom affection.
Lol
I'm pretty much a Boiler now, but if by some freak of nature Alford or Mike Lewis came back, I'd root for them when they weren't playing the Boilers or Butler. Pretty bad when Mike Davis is going to make the dance and Crean will be figuring out his next offensive scheme.
 
C'mon, you don't really believe that. Do you think Stevens left because he had always dreamed of coaching the Celtics and went there for the same or less money? Of course not, he left because of the cash! There is nothing magical about Butler, they will lose coaches for more money just like any other school.

I don't know Dryfly....Not sure the "nothing magical about Butler" arguement is the question....Ever think that in addition to the $$$ that perhaps the "legendary Boston Celtics" might have presented a little magic in itself for a kid from Indiana who grew up loving the game of basketball the way Stevens did? I mean a pretty impressive story there re:Stevens' rise to fame....And I just don't think IU gets that it's a different- i.e. read "much larger" recruiting world in the college basketball arena. Five star kids don't have the loyalty growing up wanting to play for the local basketball college teams....those years are long gone(generally). These are instant success babies where the "what can you do for me TODAY" mindset rules the day. IU just doesn't have the hot sexy draw that most IU fans want to believe it has...for either players or coaches. The "It's IU" theme doesn't work for anyone but the delusional IU fan base. The Knight days of years of success are long gone- And even then Knight wasn't an icon when he came to IU. Whether one likes him or not, Knight came in and built IU up to both Its and his glory days- not the other way around. If IU is looking for an instant solution it is not just setting itself up for more disappointment, it's setting up their next coach to fail as well.
 
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