Criteria for next HC

[bonefish1]

I wanted to trust and believe in Walters, but I believe he's lost this team and they've quit on him. That's extremely difficult to recover from.
That said, if MBob were putting together a criteria list for the next HC, what would it be:
Mine are:
1) HC experience, preferably at a P5 school, not a service academy and not someone who got lucky for 1 year (Hazell). Sorry, no more coordinators without HC experience.
2) Recruiting: values speed and athletes. Tiller took athletes and found a position for them, even if it wasn't what they were originally recruited for. Bunch of these types made the NFL.
3) Embraces NIL. It is what it is. You have to use it and it can be an equalizer to some extent.
4) Test consistently competitive and rarely get blown out. You play hard every down of every game, regardless of the score. Yeh, blowouts will happen, but a team quitting is a different story.
5) Doesn't believe in the notion that Purdue is at any sort of disadvantage.

 

[BBG]

My list is simple:

1) Have experience
2) Not be like Hazell
3) Not be like Walters
4) See above.

 

[pboiler18]

I wanted to trust and believe in Walters, but I believe he's lost this team and they've quit on him. That's extremely difficult to recover from.
That said, if MBob were putting together a criteria list for the next HC, what would it be:
Mine are:
1) HC experience, preferably at a P5 school, not a service academy and not someone who got lucky for 1 year (Hazell). Sorry, no more coordinators without HC experience.
2) Recruiting: values speed and athletes. Tiller took athletes and found a position for them, even if it wasn't what they were originally recruited for. Bunch of these types made the NFL.
3) Embraces NIL. It is what it is. You have to use it and it can be an equalizer to some extent.
4) Test consistently competitive and rarely get blown out. You play hard every down of every game, regardless of the score. Yeh, blowouts will happen, but a team quitting is a different story.
5) Doesn't believe in the notion that Purdue is at any sort of disadvantage.

#1 eliminates just about anybody who would actually take the job.

 

[Tommaker]

3) Embraces NIL.

Who pays?

 

[TC4THREE]

I would expand #1 to include G5. In some ways, continued success at a G5 school might be a better indication of their ability to succeed at Purdue than the same success at a P5 school. You know the G5 coach has not been successful based off talent alone. He's had to go out and find less heralded recruits and coach them up. He's probably had to deal with some of his best players transferring out to bigger programs. He probably wasn't able to go buy the best players in the portal to fill holes in the roster. He probably has experience at taking inexperienced athletes who aren't highly regarded as football players and coaching them to be useful and productive members of the team that can compete with four-star talent they line up against.

Basically the coach at a G5 school has demonstrated over 5+ years that they can do more with less.

 

[TC4THREE]

1. A 5+ year track record of success as a FBS head coach.

2. Able and willing to bring staff with him.

3. Well connected in recruiting and leaves no stones unturned to identify under-the-radar talent.

4. Demonstrated ability to coach up quarterbacks and coordinate a dynamic passing attack.

 

[BeerbellyBoiler]

Offensive minded coach who can bring a staff with him rather than build one with everyone else leftovers

 

[DrEss]

Identify and recruit/poach offensive and defensive lineman.

 

[FireRyanWalters]

Lower level hc experience or perennials power house oc.

High octane offense.

Enough experience to have a pool of coaches to draw assistants and coordinators from.

A guy who has just won were ever he has been.

 

[Dreambig74]

Prior headcoaching experience is a must especially at Purdue. We are not an easy school to coach at according to ESPN. Assistant coaches typically only see part of the job the HC has to do. Also, if you have been in the fire, you don't over react when things start fall apart. Now that being said there are plenty of examples of a Assistant doing well at HC (Kirby) but different environments.

 

[Wolegib]

First. The AD needs to evaluate how he apportions the NIL money he has available. It appears Purdue gives out more money to basketball athletes than other schools do. I’m ok with that, but in doing so, one must realize the football program will suffer.

I’m a firm believer Purdue needs to build a football program similar to the programs at Iowa and Wisconsin. Their funding is similar to Purdue and have proven teams don’t need to be pass happy to be successful in the Big 10. The concept that Purdue has to be passing oriented to be successful is a myth. I know some fans love a passing offense, but more fans are happy just with a win. Look at IU fans today.

The coach has to have experience and a staff and he has to bring recruits with him. This needs to be like a neon Deon signing where the coach will bring 10-20 recruits with him. Because at this stage, a coach arriving in December is going to have a hard time adding recruits.

Essentially a new coach is going to have done his recruiting before he arrives!

We definitely need to improve player development. Our juniors are not showing any progression that they are any better than they were as freshmen. Look at Hartwig. He started as a freshman. He’s a great player. But how much has he improved and developed over his first year?

And we need to stop blaming lack of recruiting time and the previous staff for leaving the cupboard bare. Look at IU and Wisconsin. Their coaches had basically the same amount of recruiting time. And their cupboards were bare.

Finally change the recruiting philosophy and start concentrating on recruiting elite linemen. Purdue needs to stop the pipeline of Indiana linemen going to Iowa. There is a lot of talent inside Indiana that is going to out of state schools.

And lastly rather than matching the salaries other schools are paying, pay the coach what his experience and not his potential dictates! Don’t pay a guy who has zero head coaching experience as if he has won 5 big 10 championships! And don’t pay a coach a salary that you can’t afford to buy out.

 

[Quix0te]

I wanted to trust and believe in Walters, but I believe he's lost this team and they've quit on him. That's extremely difficult to recover from.
That said, if MBob were putting together a criteria list for the next HC, what would it be:
Mine are:
1) HC experience, preferably at a P5 school, not a service academy and not someone who got lucky for 1 year (Hazell). Sorry, no more coordinators without HC experience.
2) Recruiting: values speed and athletes. Tiller took athletes and found a position for them, even if it wasn't what they were originally recruited for. Bunch of these types made the NFL.
3) Embraces NIL. It is what it is. You have to use it and it can be an equalizer to some extent.
4) Test consistently competitive and rarely get blown out. You play hard every down of every game, regardless of the score. Yeh, blowouts will happen, but a team quitting is a different story.
5) Doesn't believe in the notion that Purdue is at any sort of disadvantage.

I'll tweak your criteria:
1) HC experience, preferably at a P5 school. . . .There is no more P5. It is P2 and we need to poach the ACC, Big-12 and G6.
2) Recruiting: Tiller took athletes. . . Tiller made extensive position changes. That was his genius.
3) Embraces NIL. . . . Right, plus the portal plus the House vs NCAA decision that athletes be paid. I hate all of it but that's where college football is headed.
4) You play hard every down of every game. . . . Yep.
5) Doesn't believe in the notion that Purdue is at any sort of disadvantage. . . . Purdue has a huge advantage over the ACC, B12 and the other G6 after our recent TV deal. We need to cash in on that to recruit a top coach.

 

[awthomps]

Reading this wish list makes me think that we should just embrace that we are a basketball and volleyball school …

 

[KentuckyBoiler]

Anyone we get is not going to have much time to recruit, even though there is the February class signing. However, the majority seem to sign in December now.

There might be some recruits that would come with a coach. However, we need to have someone that knows how to navigate the transfer portal effectively. That is the only way that the new regime is not 2 to 3 years out before we become competitive again. The cupboard is pretty bare with our current roster. so we are going to need players that can come in and make a difference immediately.

 

[BeerbellyBoiler]

Anyone else have coworkers or IU friends who now since they caught lightning in a bottle, offering up advice to who Purdue needs as a coach? Maybe it's just the Dingus I work with that now act like they invented football. And Gus Johnson on last week broadcast saying it's football in 49 states BUT this is Indiana.....Wow

 

[RossMackey]

I can only hope the powers that be are looking hard at what is happening with Cignetti (and remembering the fun of the Tiller years here) that what seems like an expensive investment in a proven football coach reaps exponential rewards in terms of noteriety, ticket sales, hotel/restaraunt revenue, etc., etc….
We’ve had a disturbing habit of slaughtering our golden geese in football; it needs to stop 😳

 

[pboiler18]

I can only hope the powers that be are looking hard at what is happening with Cignetti (and remembering the fun of the Tiller years here) that what seems like an expensive investment in a proven football coach reaps exponential rewards in terms of noteriety, ticket sales, hotel/restaraunt revenue, etc., etc….
We’ve had a disturbing habit of slaughtering our golden geese in football; it needs to stop 😳

We need to make up for the lack of donor/NIL funds with what we have from the university Athletic Department side from our conference revenue payout. Dump it all into facilities, coaches, etc. spend the money you can through the school on football and hope that once the coaches and players get here the NIL money follows eventually.

When you have a bad product on the field it’s going to be very hard to have fans and boosters want to step up and finance big time NIL deals.

 

[cantonman2]

I wanted to trust and believe in Walters, but I believe he's lost this team and they've quit on him. That's extremely difficult to recover from.
That said, if MBob were putting together a criteria list for the next HC, what would it be:
Mine are:
1) HC experience, preferably at a P5 school, not a service academy and not someone who got lucky for 1 year (Hazell). Sorry, no more coordinators without HC experience.
2) Recruiting: values speed and athletes. Tiller took athletes and found a position for them, even if it wasn't what they were originally recruited for. Bunch of these types made the NFL.
3) Embraces NIL. It is what it is. You have to use it and it can be an equalizer to some extent.
4) Test consistently competitive and rarely get blown out. You play hard every down of every game, regardless of the score. Yeh, blowouts will happen, but a team quitting is a different story.
5) Doesn't believe in the notion that Purdue is at any sort of disadvantage.

Until the University makes a commitment to have a good football program, nothing will change!

 

[RDUBoiler]

Was looking at a possible replacement. Jon Sumrall, currently at Tulane, has a pretty good track record. Two seasons of winning 11+ games at Troy followed by a solid year so far at Tulane. He is a defensive guy, but he has been around long enough that I suspect he has a few coaches he can bring along.

He was replaced by Gerad Parker at Troy, who is struggling quite a bit this year.

 

[Riveting]

Anyone else have coworkers or IU friends who now since they caught lightning in a bottle, offering up advice to who Purdue needs as a coach? Maybe it's just the Dingus I work with that now act like they invented football. And Gus Johnson on last week broadcast saying it's football in 49 states BUT this is Indiana.....Wow

Given them credit - so far the new J-Mad team has not added to iu's NCAA record for most losses, having ducked Penn State, Oregon, and any competition in the ooc schedule. I expect reality to hit them hard in Columbus.

 

[POTFHBTFU]

We need to leverage the fact we are part of the P2 and the $20m+ more we are about to get in tv revenue over the ACC and B12. I can’t believe I’m saying this but let’s go big and get proven P5 head coaches, who have ant least 6 years left in the tank, can build a good staff, and throw money at them with a huge buyout to keep them here. Who cares if we overpay it’s how we protect a revenue source that brings in close to $100m. I’m thinking Dave Doeren (Def, 52 yes, $5.25m), Chris Klieman (def, 57 yes, $5m), Matt Campbell (off, 44 yrs, $4m), and Pat Narduzzi (Def, 58 yes, $5.8m). This is in no particular order but my favorite would be narduzzi. I like his tough personality, I like their spread offense this year with a new OC. Working against him are DC is getting up there in age and recruiting classes have been meh. But he gets a lot out of his players. It would probably take $9m with a long guarantee but with all the $ coming in I think that is a good investment.

A Purdue connection from that list - Campbell’s DC (Heacock) was a DB coach at Purdue in 2013).

 

[POTFHBTFU]

Another benefit to Chris Klieman js his OL Coach is considered to be a top OL coach in country. Klieman is also a DB guy so maybe he can get Thieneman and all our good DB recruits to stay. Generally the staff there is relatively young.

 

[BeerbellyBoiler]

Honestly I don't see any current HC in a P4 conference taking the job unless he is also on hot seat or a coach who left the Midwest and wants to return to the area. Unfortunately the program isn't enticing enough to get a name coach

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

Need an offensive minded guy for sure. Doesn't necessarily mean he was an OC prior, but that he understands the offense he wants to run and directs the OC and QBs, ala Tiller.

Needs to have a dedicated QB coach on staff, separate from the OC. Phone call to David Blough may be a good idea.

Prior head coaching experience a must.

 

[Quix0te]

We need to leverage the fact we are part of the P2 and the $20m+ more we are about to get in tv revenue over the ACC and B12.

In 2024 we'll be getting about $60 million more than schools in the ACC and Big-12.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-football/how-much-big-ten-tv-deal-pay-per-school-exploring-tony-petitti-s-exclusive-agreements-cbs-nbc-fox

 

[POTFHBTFU]

Honestly I don't see any current HC in a P4 conference taking the job unless he is also on hot seat or a coach who left the Midwest and wants to return to the area. Unfortunately the program isn't enticing enough to get a name coach

I’d say that had been the case historically but P2 is different. Big ten is expected to get $80m-$90m each a $20m+ increase and B12 is at $40m and not much upside. It’s not just the coaching staff but NIL. If B12 and ACC coaches know at Purdue all his assistants will be taken care of and Purdue will get the full allowance of $20m for NiL direct from school those are game changers. The B12 and ACC long term are not sustainable.

 

[POTFHBTFU]

In 2024 we'll be getting about $60 million more than schools in the ACC and Big-12.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-football/how-much-big-ten-tv-deal-pay-per-school-exploring-tony-petitti-s-exclusive-agreements-cbs-nbc-fox

I meant big ten teams will be getting $20m more than now with the new contract. We are revenue neutral around $125m now and if you think about how we would spend an extra $20m per year I’d say throw $12m at football coaching staff (we still have to pay some of current staff) and make sure we spend our full $20m allowance on NIL (I’m assuming the alliance money will be used with it, which I have been guessing is between $10m-$15m). So hire Klieman at $8m per year and give him a huge assistant coach pool to ensure he brings them with. Also to be clear I’m not suggesting football get all the extra revenue some of that nil increase should go to basketball.

 

[z_one]

Jason Candle, Chris Creighton, Jim McElwain. They know the midwest. They all have experience and are winners. If we want to break the bank and go for someone like Matt Campbell, it's worth a shot.

 

[Bleedinggoldandblack]

My requirement is he gets us to the playoffs

 

[Quix0te]

If we want to break the bank and go for someone like Matt Campbell, it's worth a shot.

We don't need to 'break the bank. Purdue will be getting $80-$100 million in TV revenue this year. Campbell gets $4 million at ISU. We could pay Walters' buyout, pay Campbell's buyout and double his salary and we'd still be flush with cash.

 

[Bippus33]

Jason Candle, Chris Creighton, Jim McElwain. They know the midwest. They all have experience and are winners. If we want to break the bank and go for someone like Matt Campbell, it's worth a shot.

Campbell wouldn't take the Purdue job now.We are 2 years to late on him.

 

[Quix0te]

Campbell wouldn't take the Purdue job now.We are 2 years to late on him.

If you're making $4 million and someone says $8 million, you listen.

 

[BeerbellyBoiler]

Make the next HC contract competitive but layered with incentives and bonuses. Hire a coach with a vision and has a staff in place

 

[PaBoiler78]

Honestly I don't see any current HC in a P4 conference taking the job unless he is also on hot seat or a coach who left the Midwest and wants to return to the area. Unfortunately the program isn't enticing enough to get a name coach

Dickert at Wazzou is currently 7 - 1 , coaches at a tough place to recruit, a Wisconsin native, I'd take him

 

[Riveting]

This guy could be an assistant if we hire Pat Fitzgerald.

 

[BeerbellyBoiler]

Dickert at Wazzou is currently 7 - 1 , coaches at a tough place to recruit, a Wisconsin native, I'd take him

Absolutely would make the call but can't believe a coach currently at 7-1 would look at current state of Purdue program and take the job.

 

[POTFHBTFU]

Dickert at Wazzou is currently 7 - 1 , coaches at a tough place to recruit, a Wisconsin native, I'd take him

His OC is 29 and has 4 years of college football coaching experience. Not saying he’s too inexperienced but maybe I have ptsd with our current staff running a new defense for 2 years and being handed the reigns. They are ranked 46th in Sagarin as they’ve had an easy schedule. Big gamble, no thanks.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I meant big ten teams will be getting $20m more than now with the new contract. We are revenue neutral around $125m now and if you think about how we would spend an extra $20m per year I’d say throw $12m at football coaching staff (we still have to pay some of current staff) and make sure we spend our full $20m allowance on NIL (I’m assuming the alliance money will be used with it, which I have been guessing is between $10m-$15m). So hire Klieman at $8m per year and give him a huge assistant coach pool to ensure he brings them with. Also to be clear I’m not suggesting football get all the extra revenue some of that nil increase should go to basketball.

Supposedly Klieman turns us down 2 years ago, but that was before realignment.

 

[POTFHBTFU]

Absolutely would make the call but can't believe a coach currently at 7-1 would look at current state of Purdue program and take the job.

Supposedly Klieman turns us down 2 years ago, but that was before realignment.

They turned Michigan state down last year after realignment. MSU gave Jonathan smith $7.25m. So probably wasn’t economics.

But Kliemen lost his OC to A&M last year. He also lost a lot of transfers after last season. It’s not going to get any better as Kansas state continues to fall back without the resources. It will be tough to keep your players and staff. Will programs from B12 even be able to fund the $20m NiL pot without major donors like T Boone Pickens at Oklahoma state? Having a $20m direct payroll (split with other sports) plus any other external NIL sources makes a head coaches job much easier.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

They turned Michigan state down last year after realignment. MSU gave Jonathan smith $7.25m. So probably wasn’t economics.

But Kliemen lost his OC to A&M last year. He also lost a lot of transfers after last season. It’s not going to get any better as Kansas state continues to fall back without the resources. It will be tough to keep your players and staff. Will programs from B12 even be able to fund the $20m NiL pot without major donors like T Boone Pickens at Oklahoma state? Having a $20m direct payroll (split with other sports) plus any other external NIL sources makes a head coaches job much easier.

Also keep in mind, once you take out the $22 million for revenue sharing, you won’t have much of the new revenue left over, so cuts elsewhere might have to be made.