Continuing the "race" discussion...

[hunkgolden]

Originally posted by pastorjoeboggs:

Originally posted by hunkgolden:

Originally posted by pastorjoeboggs:

At what point does this become a pattern? At what point can we begin to understand the lack of trust between the African American community and the police? At what point do we admit that something has to change?

If there is a problem - based on the below, not sure it's about race:
From the U.S. Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice, CDC:
-In 2012, 43 million blacks lived in the U.S.
Of those 43 million, 123 blacks were killed by police with a gun; compared to 326 whites that were killed by police with a gun that same year.
- In 2013, Blacks committed 5,375 murders; Whites committed 4,396 murders.
Whites are 63% of the population; Blacks are 13%.

Here's some stats from the FBI.

In 2012, there were 9,390,473 total arrests around the country. Of those, 6,502,919 (69.25%) were white and 2,640,067 (28.11%) were black.

Now, ask me about the 1,511,481 residents in the federal prison system in 2012. Don't want to? I'll tell you anyway.

White: 500,604 (33.12%)
Black: 551,154 (36.46%)

So 2/3 of people arrested for crimes are white, but only 1/3 of the prison population is white; while less than 1/3 of people arrested for crimes are black, but more than 1/3 of the prison population is black. And before you try some ridiculous copout like "well, blacks just must commit more egregious crimes," the FBI stats show that whites commit more of every single kind of crime save murder and robbery (and the gaps there are small).

Also, in spite of these numbers, a white man has a 1 in 17 chance of getting arrested in his lifetime; a black man has a 1 in 3 chance.

But go ahead and keep believing that there is no systemic racism in America.

So the discussion is about the ratio of blacks/whites killed at the hands of police and you jump to % of white/black prison population? K

Why did you jump from total arrests to only "federal" prison populations? What about county and state populations?

And if you look at the statistics I provided on total # of murders committed by race in 2012, then it should be of no surprise that there are more blacks in a federal prison than whites.

 

[hunkgolden]

Re: "in one year"

Originally posted by pastorjoeboggs:

Originally posted by GMM:
Do you really think the numbers are like that for just one year? The ratios are like that every year. Quit the denial.

How do murder rates broken down by race in one year explain/excuse police shootings of blacks? Or Whites for that matter?

Simple. Groups that commit more murder are more likely to get shot by police.

No. they're not. You are simply wrong here, and I can prove it.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

2012 Murder arrests:

White: 4,101
Black: 4,203

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43

2011 Murder arrests:

White: 4,000
Black: 4,149

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43

2010 Murder arrests:

White: 4,261
Black: 4,209

https://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html

2009 Murder arrests:

White: 4,741
Black: 4,801

So right there that kind of blows your ignorant as heck "The ratios are like that every year" nonsense right out of the water. Quit the ignorance.

Um...I think you're a little confused. These stats don't exactly help your cause.

 

[Purdue97]

Re: that was "creative"

1. When you are in the store next time look at these "toy" guns. You simply cannot tell if they are fake or real without the markings(which were removed) by looking at them. Hell go find a picture of the "toy" this kid had. The video, to me, shows it is pretty clear the kid had his hand on the handle and did not put his hands up as he was allegedly ordered to do. In your view then, they are supposed to wait for him to pull the weapon from his pants, leave it up to him if he will shoot, before they return fire? That is ludicrous.

2&3. You have said more than one time in different posts that 12 year old kids are immature and they do not know better, and should not be held responsible for a lot. I beg to differ, but that is your view. Yes, I stand by my comment that if you do not think that they know better than to wave a gun around at people in a public place-then they need to be supervised 24 hours by parents. In your haste and passion to supply defenses for the kid, I am not sure you realized how assinine that sounded that a kid would not know that is wrong or dangerous. I really only say that because you repeatedly say they are immature and do not know better. Hate to tell you but by 7th grade or so I think 99% of kids know that is wrong, and if not, they need supervision and/or new parenting/guardianship.

You also repeatedly state the "unarmed" part which was not true in Cleveland.

4. No, I value self defense and the cops right to defend himself if he or she thinks they are in trouble. The old tried by 12 rather than buried by 6.

5. That video in cleveland is done in 2 or 3 second increments. So every time a second goes off it is two, if not three seconds in real life. So yes, with the window down, if the cop starts yelling at the kid to put his hands up as he rolls up, it is possible. And in reality, this is why these officers get off. If I am on a jury, listening to lawyers in a court room, and your argument is the cop lied, and there is no proof or no one there to counter what the cop said he did, I roll my eyes and really do not take you seriously the rest of the trial. I mean, that jsut sounds like 4-5 year old kids yelling at each other then-"You lied, no you lied"

8. I think you combined the different cases in NY and Cleveland.

This post was edited on 12/6 6:04 AM by Purdue97

 

[atmafola]

Re: that was "creative"

Originally posted by Purdue97:
1. When you are in the store next time look at these "toy" guns. You simply cannot tell if they are fake or real without the markings(which were removed) by looking at them. Hell go find a picture of the "toy" this kid had. The video, to me, shows it is pretty clear the kid had his hand on the handle and did not put his hands up as he was allegedly ordered to do. In your view then, they are supposed to wait for him to pull the weapon from his pants, leave it up to him if he will shoot, before they return fire? That is ludicrous.

2&3. You have said more than one time in different posts that 12 year old kids are immature and they do not know better, and should not be held responsible for a lot. I beg to differ, but that is your view. Yes, I stand by my comment that if you do not think that they know better than to wave a gun around at people in a public place-then they need to be supervised 24 hours by parents. In your haste and passion to supply defenses for the kid, I am not sure you realized how assinine that sounded that a kid would not know that is wrong or dangerous. I really only say that because you repeatedly say they are immature and do not know better. Hate to tell you but by 7th grade or so I think 99% of kids know that is wrong, and if not, they need supervision and/or new parenting/guardianship.

You also repeatedly state the "unarmed" part which was not true in Cleveland.

4. No, I value self defense and the cops right to defend himself if he or she thinks they are in trouble. The old tried by 12 rather than buried by 6.

5. That video in cleveland is done in 2 or 3 second increments. So every time a second goes off it is two, if not three seconds in real life. So yes, with the window down, if the cop starts yelling at the kid to put his hands up as he rolls up, it is possible. And in reality, this is why these officers get off. If I am on a jury, listening to lawyers in a court room, and your argument is the cop lied, and there is no proof or no one there to counter what the cop said he did, I roll my eyes and really do not take you seriously the rest of the trial. I mean, that jsut sounds like 4-5 year old kids yelling at each other then-"You lied, no you lied"

8. I think you combined the different cases in NY and Cleveland.

This post was edited on 12/6 6:04 AM by Purdue97

I have a lot I disagree with in this post. But one thing I am almost certain of, judging by distances covered within video frames is that the videos are not in 2 to 3 seconds increment. Regular tv updates at 50 - 60 times a second, and thats why to the eye it looks like real life.

In 2 to 3 second increments as you allege, even the slowest walking person will be clearly a couple yards from their initial position everytime a new frame is shown. That was never the case in this video.

 

[pastorjoeboggs]

Re: The same pattern has been around for decades

Originally posted by GMM:

The ratios are like that every year. Quit the denial.

Originally posted by GMM:

Of course the ratios have changed, dumbass. They always do.

If anyone ever needed proof of your remarkable ability to pretend you never said something wrong and simply pretend that you were saying the exact opposite thing all along, here it is.

You have zero credibility.

 

[pastorjoeboggs]

Originally posted by hunkgolden:
So the discussion is about the ratio of blacks/whites killed at the hands of police and you jump to % of white/black prison population? K

Why did you jump from total arrests to only "federal" prison populations? What about county and state populations?

And if you look at the statistics I provided on total # of murders committed by race in 2012, then it should be of no surprise that there are more blacks in a federal prison than whites.

Your first point is fair enough. I did expand the discussion, but the larger issue is still the same one - systemic racism.

As far as using federal stats, I confess that I did that because the information was most readily available and I was exhausted from other responsibilities. I am fairly certain that the numbers aren't all that different on the state level. The last I saw (and I admit I don't know what year this is, but it was recent), out of a total prison population - state and federal - of about 2.3 million, 1 million are African American. Still far outsized given the ratios of who commits crimes.

If your numbers are from 2012, I'm not sure where you got them and why they differ so much from the FBI stats, which actually incorporate state agencies.

Also - and this is not an attack on your stats, but a genuine question - the stats can only tell us who was charged with murder, not who actually committed murder? Which could lead to a question about whether African Americans actually commit more murders or are simply charged with more murders (I would surmise the latter if for no other reason than the huge disparity in population size).

 

[GMM]

Get some basic logic skills

Acknowledging that ratios change does not automatically mean they flip from one side to the other. Have gas prices changed? Yes. Are they still too high? Yes.

The ratios of black vs. white violent crime rates change every year. Duh. But the black rate is ALWAYS higher than the white rate. Both can be true at the same time.

You have zero credibility.

LOL. The original idea in this thread that you started is what has zero credibility. There is zero evidence that there's some epidemic of innocent blacks getting killed by white cops.

 

[GMM]

Are blacks disproportionately victims of murder?

Compared to other racial groups, that is. Please tell me you're not going to deny that they are. (Would that be "racist" if you did?)

Please tell me you're aware that in most (90%+) instances of blacks being murdered the perpetrator was also black. Logically it follows that, yes, blacks are proportionatey more likely to commit murder. The same patterns exist for violent crime in both the race of the victim and the perpetrator. Which is why the prison population is disproportionately black. Unless you'd like to, in the name of being "anti-racist", release more black criminals from prison so they could go back to black neighborhoods and victimize more black people.

I did expand the discussion, but the larger issue is still the same one - systemic racism.

Of course, its Whitey's fault.

BTW, what are violent crime rates like in black countries? Is that also Whitey's fault?

 

[hunkgolden]

Originally posted by pastorjoeboggs:

Originally posted by hunkgolden:

So the discussion is about the ratio of blacks/whites killed at the hands of police and you jump to % of white/black prison population? K

Why did you jump from total arrests to only "federal" prison populations? What about county and state populations?

And if you look at the statistics I provided on total # of murders committed by race in 2012, then it should be of no surprise that there are more blacks in a federal prison than whites.

If your numbers are from 2012, I'm not sure where you got them and why they differ so much from the FBI stats, which actually incorporate state agencies.

Also - and this is not an attack on your stats, but a genuine question - the stats can only tell us who was charged with murder, not who actually committed murder? Which could lead to a question about whether African Americans actually commit more murders or are simply charged with more murders (I would surmise the latter if for no other reason than the huge disparity in population size).

LOL - my stats are from those who were actually found guilty of murder; yours were just for arrests. LOL - you post stats and pound your chests proclaiming it proves systemic racism - then admit you were too lazy to look up stats that actually mattered and then (and this is the real kicker) you then critique the very stats you provided to prove your point by stating, "these stats only tell us who was charged with murder."

LOL - remind me again why you posted these stats? LOL!!!!

 

[qazplm]

wow

1. So, since you cant tell toy guns from real guns, we should shoot anyone with a gun, toy or not. Yes? Or should we just shoot the black guys, because when's the last time a white guy was shot just for HAVING a gun? Or hell even walking around with one. Heaven forbid a black guy does open carry in an open carry state if the cops all proceed with your thought process. Yes, they are supposed to wait until the kid actually does something that REMOTELY looks like he's a danger. Having a gun in your waistline, real or not, is not a dangerous act that requires shooting within 2-3 seconds. That someone thinks the mere fact that a possible gun is on a person is a reason to start blazing is what's ludicrous.

2. He wasn't waving a gun around when the police showed up. He was sitting, with both hands on the table, with his head on his hands. There was no one around. He was sitting like that for almost three minutes before the cops rolled in. Yes, how the heck can I justify providing defenses for the 12 year old with a toy gun getting shot with only 2-3 seconds to react versus the trained adults you are trying to justify. Your brain needs a 180 degree spin.

3. Yep it's pretty clear you value officer lives over citizen lives or the Constitution. And ya know, how about for once we actually GET to tried by 12?

4. Ah, so (and quite frankly you've provided no proof for this, is it 2 seconds or 3 seconds?) it's in "increments of 2 or 3 seconds." So you think 4-6 seconds makes all the difference vice 2-3 seconds? You should take that bit on the road, you'd kill at the comedy clubs. Of course, that's BS...if it were every 2-3 seconds, the kid wouldn't be "blinking" all over the place. You can move quite far in 2-3 seconds.

I don't know how you got from 5 to 8 but you must have had a moment of clarity where you realized 6 and 7 were too ridiculous to post, and I have no idea what you are talking about in 8.

This post was edited on 12/6 11:51 AM by qazplm

 

[qazplm]

a quick online search shows

the average person walks 2.5-3 feet per step. I can't imagine it takes more than a second to take a step. Now a 12 year old has a smaller stride, so let's be real conservative and say 2 feet per step. That means in 2 seconds, he would travel at least 4 feet but depending on speed, relative height, what have you, one assumes that could be as much as 6 feet (or as you say, a couple of yards).

And that would be clearly obvious on the video that the kid would in effect blink from spot to spot. There wouldn't be anything approaching smooth motion. Watch someone walking down a street. Close your eyes for 2 seconds, open, take a mental picture, close for 2 seconds, repeat...you'd not get what was on that video remotely.

 

[qazplm]

Re: The same pattern has been around for decades

"What kind of puppets and small words should I use to explain the difference between reality and Equality to you?"

It would probably work best for you if the white puppets wore white robes with hoods.

And the idea that if blacks merely commit more crime per capita than whites that pattern ipso facto means something shows the illogic of your argument. If there were only ten black people in this entire country (I know heaven right?) and one of them committed a murder, you've have a "higher per capita" number. Your math and logic only work with a heavy dose of racism.

 

[atmafola]

Re: wow

Originally posted by qazplm:
1. So, since you cant tell toy guns from real guns, we should shoot anyone with a gun, toy or not. Yes? Or should we just shoot the black guys, because when's the last time a white guy was shot just for HAVING a gun? Or hell even walking around with one. Heaven forbid a black guy does open carry in an open carry state if the cops all proceed with your thought process. Yes, they are supposed to wait until the kid actually does something that REMOTELY looks like he's a danger. Having a gun in your waistline, real or not, is not a dangerous act that requires shooting within 2-3 seconds. That someone thinks the mere fact that a possible

I am so glad you bring this point up. I remember a couple months ago in a conversation with GI man, I clearly stated I hated open carry laws because they're only going to put more black people at risk of being shot. Black people legitmately carrying guns will not always get the benefit of doubt others would get. The two Ohio incidents both clearly underline my points. In an open carry state, why is the presence of a gun on a person even grounds for shooting. I am sure cop-defenders will argue that a call had come in that the kid was brandishing a gun, so he was not just carrying. But the cops didn't witness him brandishing. The caller might have been lying, may be making things up. I believe police officers have a duty to attempt to verify info reported before acting.
Anyone can make a call and say anything, the police shouldn't have to accept whatever callers say as gospel truth and go about acting on it without trying to ascertain for themselves. In both of the Ohio shootings, a little more discretion and caution by the police would have been safer for the cops involved while also preventing unnecessary deaths.

 

[qazplm]

so your analogy to a ratio

which is comparing two different things, is to compare one thing to itself.

As for "epidemic" couple of problems. 1, the only relevant issue is not whether cops who shoot at citizens actually KILL them. So citing the number killed without citing the number shot is fairly pointless. 2. Without discussing how many improper shootings is too many, you don't know when you've reached an "epidemic."

Of course, an "epidemic" used in a the non-medical meaning simply means "excessively prevalent" so citing numbers in the hundreds as if ah, it's just a few hundreds says nothing either.

So, per usual, the two of you have typed a whole lot of words saying not much at all except revealing your backwoods mentality.

 

[qazplm]

Re: Are blacks disproportionately victims of murder?

So because most blacks kill other blacks, that logically means blacks are more likely to commit murder?

So the fact that most whites kill other whites (mid80s percent) means what then?

Oh of course, I remember now, if the number is even one percent more for blacks than whites that's enough for you to find a meaningful difference.

 

[qazplm]

this is what's so crazy

"he should go to prison" is the only reasonable response here. But for him, he'd just be "shocked" if he wasn't fired. Not angry mind you, but surprised.

 

[GMM]

I see you're still in denial

So because most blacks kill other blacks, that logically means blacks are more likely to commit murder?

Never said that but I understand why you have to distort.

Answer the question: Are blacks disproportionately victims of murder?

Is reality too painful for you to acknowledge? Is it too much of a threat to all holy and sacred Equality? Does it make blaming whites too difficult if you admit the truth about race and crime?

 

[GMM]

Yep, more denial

It would probably work best for you if the white puppets wore white robes with hoods.

Typical snotty reaction to someone stating the truth about race and crime. Living in a politically correct bubble weakens the mind.

And the idea that if blacks merely commit more crime per capita than
whites that pattern ipso facto means something shows the illogic of your
argument. If there were only ten black people in this entire country (I know
heaven right?) and one of them committed a murder, you've have a "higher
per capita" number.

But there aren't only ten black people in this entire country. Decade after decade, city after city, state after state, blacks consistently have a higher crime rate than other racial groups. That's reality. But the only response you can muster is to cry "waaaaaacism!!!".

"merely"??? Like I said, your denial runs deep.

 

[qazplm]

benefit of the doubt

won't get the same? They won't get ANY. A kid has a gun tucked in his pants, never takes it out in front of the police, never points it at the police, he merely possess it, and that's it, boom dead.

The worst part is this: Let's excuse everything up through the shooting. Now they've shot someone. They are SAFE. They then stand the f around for 4 minutes while this human they've shot is bleeding out, and they do nothing. The FBI agent who first arrives on the scene does something, and tries...and the kid survives for almost a day, so it's not like it was hopeless or quick actions might not have saved the kid.

But these two valued his life so little, they didn't even bother to do anything. They didn't hold his hand, they didn't check on him, they just watched him bleed out. Yet folks on here still defend them. It's inhuman.

 

[qazplm]

LMAO


"So because most blacks kill other blacks, that logically means blacks are more likely to commit murder?

Never said that but I understand why you have to distort."

The post I responded to:

"Please tell me you're aware that in most (90%+) instances
of blacks being murdered the perpetrator was also black. Logically it
follows that, yes, blacks are proportionatey more likely to commit
murder."

Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the words "logically it follows?" I don't know, but I'm reminded of the futility of arguing with someone so clearly befuddled.

 

[qazplm]

no they don't have a higher crime rate

crime rates vary depending on the crime. crime rates are tied to socioeconomics. socioeconomics is tied to race in this country, and sometimes national origin. Blacks don't lead in every crime category, nor have they always led in every crime category. Italians had high crime rates at one point, so did the Irish, so did Jews, any group that was at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder during the relevant period studied had higher crime rates because socioeconomic status has a direct link to higher crime rates. As groups rise out of that bottom, their crime rates drop. That's all basic 101 criminology. One of us has actually studied criminology, and one of us is a backwoods retard racist.

 

[GMM]

We oughta frame that quote

"no they don't have a higher crime rate"

Wow. You actually started nitpicking about particular types of crime. Anything to defend Equality!

So, for the record, you deny that blacks have a higher crime rate than other racial groups and that this has been true for decades. Pathetic.

....socioeconomic status has a direct link to higher crime rates.

Is there a link between IQ and socioeconomic status?

As groups rise out of that bottom, their crime rates drop.

And we all know why blacks haven't risen out of the bottom and their crime rates remain higher. Yes, its that eeeeeeevil white racism again.

...and one of us is a backwoods retard racist.

Classic leftist tolerance. You see, its OK to use the word "retard" if you're defending political correctness. BTW, what kind of insults can you use against people who grew up in an urban, poor environment?

 

[GMM]

Perhaps you don't understand........

........that if you intentionally leave out the fact that blacks are disproportionately victims of murder its called "distortion".

Don't worry, that makes you qualified to work for the MSM. I hear The New Republic is hiring. There also might a job opening at Rolling Stone.

 

[MikeLan]

Re: no they don't have a higher crime rate


One of us has actually studied criminology, and one of us is a backwoods retard racist.

So my mentally handicap "retard" daughter is racist? And all these years I didn't think she had the capacity to be a racist. Thanks, I'll let her mother know, asshole.

 

[hunkgolden]

Re: this is what's so crazy

Originally posted by qazplm:
"he should go to prison" is the only reasonable response here. But for him, he'd just be "shocked" if he wasn't fired. Not angry mind you, but surprised.

I save my "anger" for stories I actually know something about. I know nothing about this tragic incident other than the boy was waving around an air gun; someone called 911 to report him; and the security camera video I watched a couple of times. I'll wait to hear all of the facts before deciding if I get angry or not...just as I didn't get angry in the "gentle giant" case. Because you just never know when a gentle giant who supposedly had his hands up saying "don't shoot" ends up being someone who had just committed strong armed robbery; who was brazenly/daringly walking down the middle of the street with items he had just stolen from said convenient store; who then curses out a police officer and then assaults said police officer; and who continued to attempt to charge the officer even after being shot. Cause if I had allowed myself to be angry over the gentle giant's death - I'd feel pretty damn stupid after I learned "the rest of the story." Know what I mean?

Ya see, one of the many differences between you and I is that I don't let the left leaning media control my thoughts in their attempt to increase ratings and fire up their democrat base.

One other difference between us - I actually use the reply button this board so people can tell who the hell I'm replying to.

 

[db]

Re: Perhaps you don't understand........

I didn't follow this whole thread but I see this from GMM:

"Please tell me you're aware that in most (90%+) instances of blacks being murdered the perpetrator was also black. Logically it follows that, yes, blacks are proportionatey more likely to commit murder."

The second statement does not follow from the first at all. Not in any way, shape, or form. There may be other figures that support your point of view, but logistically and statistically, the first sentence above is not one of them.

Try to do better next time.

 

[Purdue97]

You have to change facts to make your point

1&2. First, I will say that in Cleveland and in NY I thought there should be charges pressed. I just am not as blind about it as you, and realize that in three of the four shootings(ferguson, NY, CLe) the case is not so black and white(pun intended for you), and there are some real gray areas.

Shoot anyone with a gun? Obviously not? Did cops not respond right in CLE by rolling up so fast? Probably so. Did he jsut have a gun? No. He was told to put his hands up three times, responded by walking toward the cop, with his hand on the handle of the weapon. That could be interpreted as he is a danger. This garbage that you are spewing that he just had a gun is not accurate. At 2:56 of the video, he is clearly not putting his hands up, he clearly lifts his sweatshirt up with one hand, and his other hand is on the gun. Cops in that situation should have the ability to shoot.

I am not trying to justify anyone's actions. What I am doing is painting a complete picture of the situation.

3. No what is obvious is that you seem to defend some real questionable behavior from blacks when dealing with police or acting out in public. And i would add a police officer is a citizen.

4. Look at the actual surveillance film. film(s). Every time you see a number decrease showing alloted time, it does not go 8, 7, 6, but 8, 6, 4, etc.



This post was edited on 12/6 5:56 PM by Purdue97

shot

 

[Purdue97]

Re: benefit of the doubt

What video did they do that in in Clevalnad? The video I saw ended right after they shot him.

That is why in a few earlier posts when you said cops did nothing I thought you were referring to the NY case video. Which, I would tend to agree in NY they did not do much. I would have to hear testimony what happened between the two videos in NY cause there is a time lapse between the two though.

 

[GMM]

Are you blind?

I guess you and others are determined to ignore the fact that blacks are disproportionately victims of murder.

 

[Purdue97]

Out of curiosity

"So, since you cant tell toy guns from real guns, we should shoot anyone
with a gun, toy or not. Yes? Or should we just shoot the black guys,
because when's the last time a white guy was shot just for HAVING a gun?
Or hell even walking around with one."

Out of curiosity, what do you think of the shooting in Utah? And why have you not commented on that?

 

[qazplm]

lol

please try and gin up faux outrage with someone else. No one thinks I was talking about your daughter, you don't even think I was talking about your daughter.

 

[qazplm]

video?

You realize stuff happened after the video right? Stuff we actually know about. The kid was not given any first aid for four minutes. An FBI agent was near the scene and responded to the call for backup. HE was the one who first provided first aid.

One of us is confused alright.

 

[qazplm]

I assume

you're good with the shooting in Utah right?

 

[qazplm]

Re: You have to change facts to make your point

"in Cleveland and in NY I thought there should be charges pressed"

"Cops in that situation should have the ability to shoot."

Pick one Sybil.

 

[Purdue85]

Re: this is what's so crazy

Originally posted by hunkgolden:

Originally posted by qazplm:
"he should go to prison" is the only reasonable response here. But for him, he'd just be "shocked" if he wasn't fired. Not angry mind you, but surprised.

I save my "anger" for stories I actually know something about. I know nothing about this tragic incident other than the boy was waving around an air gun; someone called 911 to report him; and the security camera video I watched a couple of times. I'll wait to hear all of the facts before deciding if I get angry or not...just as I didn't get angry in the "gentle giant" case. Because you just never know when a gentle giant who supposedly had his hands up saying "don't shoot" ends up being someone who had just committed strong armed robbery; who was brazenly/daringly walking down the middle of the street with items he had just stolen from said convenient store; who then curses out a police officer and then assaults said police officer; and who continued to attempt to charge the officer even after being shot. Cause if I had allowed myself to be angry over the gentle giant's death - I'd feel pretty damn stupid after I learned "the rest of the story." Know what I mean?

Ya see, one of the many differences between you and I is that I don't let the left leaning media control my thoughts in their attempt to increase ratings and fire up their democrat base.

One other difference between us - I actually use the reply button this board so people can tell who the hell I'm replying to.

well said.

Bravo.

 

[MikeLan]

Re: lol

Originally posted by qazplm:
please try and gin up faux outrage with someone else. No one thinks I was talking about your daughter, you don't even think I was talking about your daughter.

I'm not outraged or offended. I know how hard my daughter has had to work to make tiny gains in her life and you're an asshole to loosely use the term retard to describe anyone.

 

[ecouch]

Re: benefit of the doubt

Why wasn't Cliven Bundy shot? He broke the law, resisted arrest, and pointed known, real, sniper rifles at law enforcement.

 

[qazplm]

Re: lol

Like I said you know full well I nor anyone else is calling your daughter anything

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Re: this is what's so crazy

Originally posted by hunkgolden:


Ya see, one of the many differences between you and I is that I don't let the left leaning media control my thoughts in their attempt to increase ratings and fire up their democrat base.

qaz may let the left-leaning media control his thoughts, but you and many others let the right-leaning media control yours. You decide what's right on incomplete information, and shape your opinion based on your politics. You accuse someone else of doing precisely what you do, only from the other side. It's true of pretty much everyone.

 

[hunkgolden]

Re: this is what's so crazy

Originally posted by gr8indoorsman:
...but you and many others let the right-leaning media control yours. You decide what's right on incomplete information, and shape your opinion based on your politics.

You know this how exactly?