Charisma

[77 grad]

Lifetime Purdue fan, longtime Michigan resident. Guess what I'm exposed to most in the local media.

Coaches with charisma: Tom Izzo, Western Michigan University football coach P.J. Fleck. I see and hear from them often. Jim Harbaugh? Knotty, but a guy with a program that are off the charts.

CMP is a good coach. I like what we have accomplished the last two seasons and look forward to more this winter.

Charisma? How important is that for a coach?

You decide.

 

[Ben Shadeland]

I believe Painter has it in person, but it doesn't really translate to television, for whatever reason. On TV he seems overly serious. In person he's engaging and hilarious. A definite presence.

 

[cprh9u]

I believe Painter has it in person, but it doesn't really translate to television, for whatever reason. On TV he seems overly serious. In person he's engaging and hilarious. A definite presence.

Maybe in certain settings, but do you really think he comes through that way to recruits? And if so, why the subpar recruiting when he has had a few NBA players, has plenty of future playing time, has nice facilities and has a historically good program? It seems to be largely his personality.

 

[Ben Shadeland]

Maybe in certain settings, but do you really think he comes through that way to recruits? And if so, why the subpar recruiting when he has had a few NBA players, has plenty of future playing time, has nice facilities and has a historically good program? It seems to be largely his personality.

I'm not saying he's Robert Downey Jr., but I do think he can be plenty personable.

Personality, in my opinion, isn't the problem. Now if we want to talk about message? Sure, you could say that's a problem, though I strongly suspect his message is pure honesty, and that's largely a good thing. I think the candid approach can save problems later on, though as the tanned one south of us proves, it can also help ensnare kids who believe snake oil peddlers.

I guess it depends on what you believe in. Winning at all costs or winning the right way.

I don't think CMP is perfect. I think he can be very stubborn in certain ways. But I think the main recruiting battle he lost this year (JJJ) is a matter of another program shining brighter than ours, and not due to any glaring personality malfunction.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I think, and it has been stated as much by other people both inside and outside of college basketball, that CMP tends to be way to up front with potential recruits and doesn't do a lot of 'false selling.' I don't have an issue with that and that is probably why he tends to whiff in high level recruits who mostly seem to get a lot of 'yes' people around them and are sold the world by a lot of those around them. I think CMP being close with many of these higher level recruits shows he is able to have that personality shine through but when it comes down to the other factors...other coaches can 'sell' what recruits want to hear better.

 

[Ben Shadeland]

I think, and it has been stated as much by other people both inside and outside of college basketball, that CMP tends to be way to up front with potential recruits and doesn't do a lot of 'false selling.' I don't have an issue with that and that is probably why he tends to whiff in high level recruits who mostly seem to get a lot of 'yes' people around them and are sold the world by a lot of those around them. I think CMP being close with many of these higher level recruits shows he is able to have that personality shine through but when it comes down to the other factors...other coaches can 'sell' what recruits want to hear better.

That's pretty much the take I have too. And like you, I'm good with it.

 

[pharoutengineer]

I still don't understand why everyone seems to think that being a good salesman and sometimes saying things kids want to hear automatically makes you slimy, unethical, dishonest, etc. You can play to what kids want to hear along with the honesty.

 

[Ben Shadeland]

I still don't understand why everyone seems to think that being a good salesman and sometimes saying things kids want to hear automatically makes you slimy, unethical, dishonest, etc. You can play to what kids want to hear along with the honesty.

I guess it depends on what the kids want to hear. If what they want to hear also happens to be the truth, then sure, there's no ethical problem. If what they want to hear is unlikely to happen or stated with certainty despite the fact that it's a hypothetical...yeah, that's being dishonest. Or at the very least, it's being misleading.