CE needs to start to give us the best chance tonight vs ISU. Cline haven't done much lately and is too slow against a very quick ISU team. We needs to slow it down and pound it inside and crashed the board for us to win. I see limited minutes for Haas tonight due to the same fact. This will be a tough match up for us, so let's get our best foot forward. Boiler up...
CE Needs to Start vs ISU
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Get Cline 2 good looks from 3 in the first 4 or 5 minutes and I will be satisfied with him starting even if he misses both of them. Have to get him some shots in these games.
Maybe..but may not be bad to see him covered either meaning his threat has provided room to work for the other four. Both will play and Purdue needs both
IMO: Carsen Edwards will have a bigger impact on the last five minutes of the game than the first five.
I'm less concerned about who starts than who Painter trusts in crunch time.
Also, we don't need Carsen in foul trouble. But we also have to be within striking distance at halftime. Purdue's gotta avoid big droughts and stop any runs ISU starts to make. Once ISU gets going, they start to roll - that's what happened in the first half against Nevada. Nevada was in too big of a hole to mount a comeback in the second half.
Boring maybe, but most who understand the game will agreed with me. He should start against ISU and now Kansas. You should tell that to Painter. He almost lose that game to ISU by keeping Biggie out too long...
Oh God not this again. Biggie was in when they made their run as well. I swear you 'experts' come on here and preach but only see what you want to during the game.
Carsen is playing rather well coming off of the bench so there is zero reason to change it now.
Comments like yours are silly--implying that if we don't agree with you, we don't understand the game.
Maybe, just MAYBE, Painter knows his players better than we do and knew that Biggie needed that long of a rest--despite Biggie's disapproval--before he brought him in for the rest of the game. And maybe, just MAYBE, Painter has good reason for starting Cline and giving him the kind of minutes he did on Saturday. I'd say Cline is a better post-passer--perhaps that's one reason.
We won on Saturday BECAUSE of Painter, not in spite of Painter. The playcalling was fantastic. If you don't agree, you probably don't understand basketball. ;-)
Painter is working with a very small available roster. 8 players is a small group. He must keep all of them fresh throughout the game. That means some "risky" substitutions at times, but he has been very skilled at this for most of the games.
Saying that "Painter almost lost the game" through his substitution pattern is pretty much meaningless. You either win or lose the game. Painter had to rest biggie in the second half. If he had not, maybe biggie doesn't get those two key rebounds at the end of game. You can't twist one "maybe" without twisting others. I can say that Painter keeping biggie out an extra few minutes "won" the game for just as easily and accurately as others can say "almost lost". See how that works?
Saying that "Painter almost lost the game" through his substitution pattern is pretty much meaningless. You either win or lose the game. Painter had to rest biggie in the second half. If he had not, maybe biggie doesn't get those two key rebounds at the end of game. You can't twist one "maybe" without twisting others. I can say that Painter keeping biggie out an extra few minutes "won" the game for just as easily and accurately as others can say "almost lost". See how that works?
While I promised not to second guess a coach in the Sweet 16, I do question your last comment. Carsen was playing pretty well as a starter but more importantly, it sure seems like Cline was more relaxed and played better not starting. Seems like Ryan is pressing to me and his shots are not in the flow of the offense. JMO
Fair enough. I forget who, but I think someone posted numbers before and after with him started and I believe it showed his productivity going up.. I could be wrong because this topic has been beat to death.
Another side to it is CE finished I think with 4 fouls. I don't know how frequent that has become lately, but perhaps that is another reason. We needed him towards the end and the rate he was going he very well could of fouled out if he had started.
Moot point really because I just don't think it is likely to change this year.
I'd say 4 assists is pretty good for a not very good passer.
The flip side of that is that if he had put him back in a minute or so earlier maybe we wouldn't have been in a one-possession game in the final minute. It's all speculation and hypothetical but that's exactly the type of things discussed on this board. I can see both sides of this one and probably lean towards putting him back in earlier. I do know I was up yelling at the TV for Purdue to call a timeout to get him back in after Iowa State cut it to 10 and he was getting set to check back in. That timeout didn't come until after Iowa State hit another 3 to cut it to 7.
I do agree with most of what you posted. I wish we had the extra TO to call, and get him in. I think ISU scored two baskets while he was sitting at the scorer's table. On the other hand, Painter was saving that last time out just in case. ISU did not save theirs and was out of sync at the end-of-game situation because of it.
Could it be simply that certain starters, possibly one who is very important to the team, get more touches (and consequently are more productive) when RC is on the floor versus CE?
Also. Did you notice Cline was post feeding Biggie from the right side all second half? Maybe Cline is the best passer from that angle, who knows. Cline is also 6'5 and plays good defense. C boogie is giving us some great minutes off of the bench, I think we keep it that way.
Because the team started so poorly against ISU with CE not starting? With your superior understanding of the game, have you considered submitting your resume to the AD?
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If anyone should start over cline it should be Haas. The Kansas big men don't shoot the 3. Lucas and Colby have 0 attempts and bragg is 0 for 3. So put Haas on Lucas. Mykhailiuk isn't particularly fast and is prone to going cold from 3. Put swanigan on him. P.j on mason. Vince on Jackson. Matthias on Graham. The only guy who plays more than 10 minutes besides the starters is vick, who seems like a good matchup for Carsen.
yes that is probably true. It is always a roll of the dice...nothing a given as CE has quickness with Biggie to exploit...but that is a two edge sword as you suggest...just cuts one way better than the other for the duration he plays
