Catchings Reopens Recruitment

[JRKinn]

Maybe a Sweet 16? That's like the absolute highest ceiling for Purdue, Indiana and Illinois. Like peak peak ceiling. A+ season. But with Catchings, 2nd round/sweet 16? Maybe like a round better in the NCAAs, if Catchings lived to any amount of hype. The best things that could have happened for Purdue would be Colvin overtaking Loyer and Catchings having stayed. But as of now, it's Colvin or Heide being able to step up at the 3 spot and become a 3 level scorer and wing defender.

Disagree on that, even without catchings we have a very solid returning base from a runner up team, and some very talented players coming in. Jacobsens development has been a surprise this summer, which changes the entire dynamic if he is indeed ready. Smith TKR and Loyer as anchors, with Colvin and Heide getting sophomore jumps, and center only dropping off to 2/3 of Edey would be the recipe for a E8+ team. If all that happens we will still be very very good. S16 should be the expectation, not the ceiling.

 

[JRKinn]

Maybe but those two are more of a Haarms impact than an Edey. Not that Haarms wasn't good, but it's easier to deal with a thin 7-3 and Edey.

Berg is pretty big. He was listed at 260 last season and the little bit he did play he didn't look a ton smaller than Edey (2" makes the 40lbs look comparable on their respective frames.) He may have an outside game, but I don't know if he is fast enough to utilize it outside of stretching the floor occasionally. I would guess he plays like Edey did more often than not, just not as dominant on offense.

Jacobsen is a more athletic Haarms with better offensive game. His game reminds me of Chet Holgrem, although he needs to play against college athletes to see if his game will translate as well. If he ends up being good enough to start, we will be very very good.

 

[Ihaveswag29]

Disagree on that, even without catchings we have a very solid returning base from a runner up team, and some very talented players coming in. Jacobsens development has been a surprise this summer, which changes the entire dynamic if he is indeed ready. Smith TKR and Loyer as anchors, with Colvin and Heide getting sophomore jumps, and center only dropping off to 2/3 of Edey would be the recipe for a E8+ team. If all that happens we will still be very very good. S16 should be the expectation, not the ceiling.

Agreed. It’s has been drilled into our heads from everywhere that March is about guards.. Well, we have the same guards that brought us to a championship game last March but will be a year older..

 

[JRKinn]

I don't know that it's Heide he starts over. I would have predicted a TKR Catchings Heide Smith starting lineup with Loyer and Colvin fighting for the last starting spot, and the other still getting at least 20 minutes a game if not effectively co-starter.

I think with the progress that Jacobsen has made there is a chance that TKR will stay at the 4, which may have been what scared Catchings off. That leaves Catchings fighting for a starting spot at the 3 over Heide/Colvin or at the 4 over TKR. Painter is going with the best lineup but Catchings as a day one starter was not a sure thing with the current talent and roster construction.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Colvin and Heide have much better chances of becoming "that" guy than KC has THIS year.

Well that's an easy bet now. 😎

 

[Bleedinggoldandblack]

News flash , this is well done , next

 

[Gemini95]

I think with the progress that Jacobsen has made there is a chance that TKR will stay at the 4, which may have been what scared Catchings off. That leaves Catchings fighting for a starting spot at the 3 over Heide/Colvin or at the 4 over TKR. Painter is going with the best lineup but Catchings as a day one starter was not a sure thing with the current talent and roster construction.

I think there's little chance that KC even knows what DJ is doing this summer and zero chance that it affected his decision.

 

[qazplm]

I think with the progress that Jacobsen has made there is a chance that TKR will stay at the 4, which may have been what scared Catchings off. That leaves Catchings fighting for a starting spot at the 3 over Heide/Colvin or at the 4 over TKR. Painter is going with the best lineup but Catchings as a day one starter was not a sure thing with the current talent and roster construction.

I don't think Catchings was scared off by Jacobsen. Everyone is rushing to have him start. TKR is very much likely to start at the 5 to start the season.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Maybe but those two are more of a Haarms impact than an Edey. Not that Haarms wasn't good, but it's easier to deal with a thin 7-3 and Edey.

This is world class analysis right here. Who would have thought those two guys wouldn’t be able to fill the shoes of the NPOTY x2 the first year they get to play significant mins.

Please tell me your podcast have more of these amazing takes?!?

 

[Gemini95]

This is world class analysis right here. Who would have thought those two guys wouldn’t be able to fill the shoes of the NPOTY x2 the first year they get to play significant mins.

Please tell me your podcast have more of these amazing takes?!?

I think he must have meant they will be more likely to score a game winning put back on the road against their biggest rival rather then clowning them by banking in a 3 in a blowout.

 

[titaniumbolt]

I don't think Catchings was scared off by Jacobsen. Everyone is rushing to have him start. TKR is very much likely to start at the 5 to start the season.

Didn’t TKR hope to play the 3 at one point way back when?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I think he must have meant they will be more likely to score a game winning put back on the road against their biggest rival rather then clowning them by banking in a 3 in a blowout.

IU Fans making idiots of themselves on our board every summer… a tradition unlike any other…

 

[qazplm]

Didn’t TKR hope to play the 3 at one point way back when?

I highly doubt that, but regardless it's been very clear he wants to play the 5 now.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

IU Fans making idiots of themselves on our board every summer… a tradition unlike any other…

Guys, he has an * unbiased * podcast toward non-IU teams. Can’t you tell by all the digs that are written in each of the posts?

 

[Kern County]

Twenty five (that’s 25 for you Loosiers who come here in droves) pages and counting on the Indinia board talking about Purdue basketball. The little brothers are truly obsessed. Nothing says “IU Sucks!” like their endless, desperate-for-validation thread.

 

[TopicTalk]

Agreed. It’s has been drilled into our heads from everywhere that March is about guards.. Well, we have the same guards that brought us to a championship game last March but will be a year older..

March is about guards. Purdue has Smith. I wouldn't yet throw all your bets on Loyer if I were a Purdue fan. It'll be a completely different world without Edey. Especially for Smith.

 

[TopicTalk]

Guys, he has an * unbiased * podcast toward non-IU teams. Can’t you tell by all the digs that are written in each of the posts?

I'm about the only Indiana fan who can about how good Purdue is and how good Edey was. Yea, I am pretty freaking unbiased when I need to be. I don't know what happens on the IU board here, never been to it. But anywhere else, very few Indiana fans are as unbiased as I am towards Purdue or Kentucky or really anyone else.

 

[TopicTalk]

This is world class analysis right here. Who would have thought those two guys wouldn’t be able to fill the shoes of the NPOTY x2 the first year they get to play significant mins.

Please tell me your podcast have more of these amazing takes?!?

Wasn't talking about skill levels, just size.

 

[Poprudy]

March is about guards. Purdue has Smith. I wouldn't yet throw all your bets on Loyer if I were a Purdue fan. It'll be a completely different world without Edey. Especially for Smith.

Nostradamus. So, you're saying Purdue isn't going to be good without Edey? Your words are don't count on Loyer and don't count on Smith without Edey.....got it.

From the bunch that counted on X, Trey, Cupps and Leal. Now, according to you guard play wins. What does IU do? An unproven Rice or Carlyle? I'll take Smith over any guard IU puts on the floor.

 

[Poprudy]

"Painter is a good coach, not a great coach. He's had the best player, also the toughest matchup in the game, for multiple seasons and couldn't win the national title. He may have reached his ceiling at this point"

This is perfect for an IU fan statement. The guy just went to a NC....the Pinnacle of a coach. "Reached his ceiling" a NC....you can't make this up. That bunch is just foolish and full of dipshits.

 

[BoilerAndy]

H

I remember McMahon talked about sneeking beer into his dormitory. This whole issue is over blown. Do you think for example all Notre Dame athletes are Catholic? That BYU Athletes are all Mormons?

Honestly, I don't care. I was simply sharing a memory relevant to the topic. The same one you shared.

 

[BoilerAndy]

March is about guards. Purdue has Smith. I wouldn't yet throw all your bets on Loyer if I were a Purdue fan. It'll be a completely different world without Edey. Especially for Smith.

But Edey was just tall. And fortunately for Smith, Purdue has other tall guys.

 

[SaratogaBoiler1]

March is about guards. Purdue has Smith. I wouldn't yet throw all your bets on Loyer if I were a Purdue fan. It'll be a completely different world without Edey. Especially for Smith.
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March is about guards. Purdue has Smith. I wouldn't yet throw all your bets on Loyer if I were a Purdue fan. It'll be a completely different world without Edey. Especially for Smith.

From CJ Moore - the Athletic in the Indy Rag:

Purdue’s KenPom finishes in the five years that proceeded the Zach Edey era: 9, 19, 5, 9, 24. It’s going to be difficult to replace Edey, but Matt Painter won a lot of basketball games before Edey showed up and he’ll continue to do so.

So while you pretend to be unbiased I would say you definitely are. You want guards and we have the best PG in the Big. We have Cox, and Harris who are both gonna be studs and oh yeah Colvin is gonna be spectacular this year - book it. If you look at the historical jumps from Freshman to Sophomore year - I am confident both Heide and Colvin will be major players next year. Purdue will be fine with guys we’ve had on the team already. Oh yeah our new freshman center DJ just got rave reviews on the under 18 USA team. Thanks for playing!

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I'm about the only Indiana fan who can about how good Purdue is and how good Edey was. Yea, I am pretty freaking unbiased when I need to be. I don't know what happens on the IU board here, never been to it. But anywhere else, very few Indiana fans are as unbiased as I am towards Purdue or Kentucky or really anyone else.

Cmon now. You put down Purdue almost every time man. Always a backhanded compliment.

It’s fine though. You continue to be wrong and we know it.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

"Painter is a good coach, not a great coach. He's had the best player, also the toughest matchup in the game, for multiple seasons and couldn't win the national title. He may have reached his ceiling at this point"

This is perfect for an IU fan statement. The guy just went to a NC....the Pinnacle of a coach. "Reached his ceiling" a NC....you can't make this up. That bunch is just foolish and full of dipshits.

fans of teams that used to be good, but aren't anymore are Kings of Rationalization. especially when it comes to talking about their "big bro" rival.

 

[TopicTalk]

Nostradamus. So, you're saying Purdue isn't going to be good without Edey? Your words are don't count on Loyer and don't count on Smith without Edey.....got it.

From the bunch that counted on X, Trey, Cupps and Leal. Now, according to you guard play wins. What does IU do? An unproven Rice or Carlyle? I'll take Smith over any guard IU puts on the floor.

Did I say they wouldn't be good?

 

[TopicTalk]

Cmon now. You put down Purdue almost every time man. Always a backhanded compliment.

It’s fine though. You continue to be wrong and we know it.

What have I been wrong about?

 

[Poprudy]

Did I say they wouldn't be good?

Seriously? You made a comment not to bet on Loyer and it will be totally different world without Edey for "ESPECIALLY" Smith. So, you assume Smith was only good because of Edey. You're a typical IU fan.

Waiting or commenting every time a Purdue great leaves is sad. This is becoming repetitive.....Edey, Jaden, Carsen...etc. Don't you guys get sick of saying "once he's gone they'll be back to mediocrity". When in reality it's been your program that has been "mediocre" for many years.

Now, go and fix your program before you come over here with anymore of your backhanded remarks.

 

[Ihaveswag29]

Seriously? You made a comment not to bet on Loyer and it will be totally different world without Edey for "ESPECIALLY" Smith. So, you assume Smith was only good because of Edey. You're a typical IU fan.

Waiting or commenting every time a Purdue great leaves is sad. This is becoming repetitive.....Edey, Jaden, Carsen...etc. Don't you guys get sick of saying "once he's gone they'll be back to mediocrity". When in reality it's been your program that has been "mediocre" for many years.

Now, go and fix your program before you come over here with anymore of your backhanded remarks.

Keep in mind that you are talking to a fan of a team that has not been competitive in ages to the point that they are now turning to trying to buy a competitive team with their credit card.

 

[TopicTalk]

Seriously? You made a comment not to bet on Loyer and it will be totally different world without Edey for "ESPECIALLY" Smith. So, you assume Smith was only good because of Edey. You're a typical IU fan.

Waiting or commenting every time a Purdue great leaves is sad. This is becoming repetitive.....Edey, Jaden, Carsen...etc. Don't you guys get sick of saying "once he's gone they'll be back to mediocrity". When in reality it's been your program that has been "mediocre" for many years.

Now, go and fix your program before you come over here with anymore of your backhanded remarks.

Correct. I wouldn't bet on Loyer to carry you as your 2nd best player. I'm not 100% sold on Smith. But he's more of a sure thing than Loyer as a leader. Smiths playing style will just have to change a bit.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Correct. I wouldn't bet on Loyer to carry you as your 2nd best player. I'm not 100% sold on Smith. But he's more of a sure thing than Loyer as a leader. Smiths playing style will just have to change a bit.

Can you elaborate about Smith changing his playing style? He shoots, drives, and dishes to the open man like a very good, classical point guard. He will have new players around him and he will take on more of the scoring load, but I don't see his style changing all that much.

P.S. Everyone will have to take on more of the scoring load.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Loyer is

Correct. I wouldn't bet on Loyer to carry you as your 2nd best player. I'm not 100% sold on Smith. But he's more of a sure thing than Loyer as a leader. Smiths playing style will just have to change a bit.

Loyer will not be 2nd best player.

Smith 1
TKR 2
Both will be on one of the 3 All B10 teams.

We have options at the 3 & 4 that will provide varing 3rd & 4th scorers. Loyer is one of those.

 

[qazplm]

March is about guards. Purdue has Smith. I wouldn't yet throw all your bets on Loyer if I were a Purdue fan. It'll be a completely different world without Edey. Especially for Smith.

Colvin is a guard, Heide can play guard, Harris is a 4 star recruit guard, plus several others.

We have a minimum of four high level guards. No one is predicting final four this season. But the idea that the only talented guard on the team is Smith is silliness.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Correct. I wouldn't bet on Loyer to carry you as your 2nd best player. I'm not 100% sold on Smith. But he's more of a sure thing than Loyer as a leader. Smiths playing style will just have to change a bit.

Carry us? 2nd best player? in iu's dreams.

 

[Poprudy]

I always wondered did we lay off of Koch because of KC? At one point it seemed Koch was going to commit.

 

[titaniumbolt]

I highly doubt that, but regardless it's been very clear he wants to play the 5 now.

Found it:

Silver Creek's Trey Kaufman: Why I'm committing to Purdue basketball

Kaufman announced his decision Friday, after narrowing down his top 5 schools to Indiana, Indiana State, North Carolina, Purdue and Virginia.

www.courier-journal.com

"Trey Kaufman recalled his first-ever official visit to a college as "nerve-racking." In that trip to Purdue University, he got a chance to get to know the coaches on a more personal level and play basketball with some of the players on the team.

Next year, he’ll get to be part of that program as Kaufman announced his commitment to Purdue on Friday.

“The total package fit me the best out of all the schools,” he said. “Being able to play the 3 position — I think that’s more of what the NBA is looking for. It’s more of my position, being able to fully showcase all of my skills and my playmaking ability and versatility. Definitely knowing the coaching staff and knowing some of the players going there and that are there. It has a lot of bonuses, like it’s close to home.”

The combination of conversations with coaches at Purdue, the Boilermakers’ roster and his vision for the future is the reason why Kaufman believes he wants to and would play the 3 position."

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Found it:

Silver Creek's Trey Kaufman: Why I'm committing to Purdue basketball

Kaufman announced his decision Friday, after narrowing down his top 5 schools to Indiana, Indiana State, North Carolina, Purdue and Virginia.

www.courier-journal.com

"Trey Kaufman recalled his first-ever official visit to a college as "nerve-racking." In that trip to Purdue University, he got a chance to get to know the coaches on a more personal level and play basketball with some of the players on the team.

Next year, he’ll get to be part of that program as Kaufman announced his commitment to Purdue on Friday.

“The total package fit me the best out of all the schools,” he said. “Being able to play the 3 position — I think that’s more of what the NBA is looking for. It’s more of my position, being able to fully showcase all of my skills and my playmaking ability and versatility. Definitely knowing the coaching staff and knowing some of the players going there and that are there. It has a lot of bonuses, like it’s close to home.”

The combination of conversations with coaches at Purdue, the Boilermakers’ roster and his vision for the future is the reason why Kaufman believes he wants to and would play the 3 position."

Then he put on 20lbs of muscle and didn't shoot that well from the perimeter.

 

[Poprudy]

Then he put on 20lbs of muscle and didn't shoot that well from the perimeter.

Yep, just putting muscle on doesn't make you a better basketball player. In fact, putting on too much muscle vs lean muscle can equate to bad shooting form.

I have the other guy on ignore but is he saying Loyer should add muscle? If so, I would ask Loyer to just be a more stable player and to play through contact. Adding muscle to the lower body would help with this vs. Just adding upper muscle. IMO

 

[Blimpy]

Nostradamus. So, you're saying Purdue isn't going to be good without Edey? Your words are don't count on Loyer and don't count on Smith without Edey.....got it.

From the bunch that counted on X, Trey, Cupps and Leal. Now, according to you guard play wins. What does IU do? An unproven Rice or Carlyle? I'll take Smith over any guard IU puts on the floor.

Galloway is IU's highest rated guard of all their guards, they just added depth. I believe bye the end of this year, Harris will be a better guard than any IU guard. Harris reminds me of Blackwell from Wisconsin.

 

[TopicTalk]

Can you elaborate about Smith changing his playing style? He shoots, drives, and dishes to the open man like a very good, classical point guard. He will have new players around him and he will take on more of the scoring load, but I don't see his style changing all that much.

P.S. Everyone will have to take on more of the scoring load.

When you no longer have a 7-3, 300 lb NPOY to offset things, you have to change. You can drive and dish, but your dish has to be more precise because now you're throwing it to Furst and TKR more often and not Edey. When you're shooting, you can't just throw it up(which he did less last season than as a freshman) and know Edey has a good shot at getting it or getting an offensive rebound. It's the same for Painter as his system will have to change. It'll just be completely different and being blind to how that is is dismissing how good Edey was and how much gravity he had on the court.