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Just an advanced pump up to give people two weeks of notice.

Next year this thing is in DC, and the year after that it's in NYC. So who knows when it'll be back in boiler country.

Also with the b10 this year, the field is wide open. No reason we can't string together 3-4 wins.

If you've never been, Indy is absolutely the perfect city for it. I'm coming down from Chicago, an easy 3 hour drive.

Everybody should start to think about making plans, pack the stadium, and cheer on our boilers.
 
Just an advanced pump up to give people two weeks of notice.

Next year this thing is in DC, and the year after that it's in NYC. So who knows when it'll be back in boiler country.

Also with the b10 this year, the field is wide open. No reason we can't string together 3-4 wins.

If you've never been, Indy is absolutely the perfect city for it. I'm coming down from Chicago, an easy 3 hour drive.

Everybody should start to think about making plans, pack the stadium, and cheer on our boilers.
In Indy, everything is in proximity to one another. Hotels, bars, restaurants, the circle (very cool), other misc. eateries are all walking distance separation. It's a pretty incredible experience for those who haven't. There are carriage rides down close to the circle, you can tour the fabulous Lucas Oil Stadium and visit the Colts Pro Shop, and the list goes on. It will be back in 2020 and 2022 so that's a long time, don't miss this venue!!
 
In Indy, everything is in proximity to one another. Hotels, bars, restaurants, the circle (very cool), other misc. eateries are all walking distance separation. It's a pretty incredible experience for those who haven't. There are carriage rides down close to the circle, you can tour the fabulous Lucas Oil Stadium and visit the Colts Pro Shop, and the list goes on. It will be back in 2020 and 2022 so that's a long time, don't miss this venue!!

While I agree that Indy is a great venue in terms of convenience for visitors, it still has its negatives.

One is that the city as a whole is relatively small and not a "hub" of Big Ten alumni. Yeah there's a lot of Purdue/IU alumni, but outside of that - no school really has much. This relies on travel for most fans, which can hamper attendance (which we've seen with poor attendance for championship games).

Secondly, while it's not necessarily a bad thing that fans have to travel, Indianapolis is just not a Chicago, New York, DC in terms of entertainment. Unless you're going to every session, there's limited things to do in Indianapolis (particularly if the weather is not great). There ARE things to do and improvements have been made, but the fact that you point out the Colts Pro Shop as a tourist destination....speaks to the issue. So people may go for one year. But will they want to return year after year - I mean once you go to the NCAA Museum, there's no need to ever go back. And quite frankly, while the restaurants have improved in Indy, some other retail has gone down - Circle Center is not a shopping destination whatsoever anymore. When your most "exclusive"/rare store is H&M, there's an issue.

Chicago, in my opinion, would be THE place to have it - but with one major caveat. The United Center blows. Not only in terms of venue, but also location. Chicago has a ton of Big Ten alumni (although maybe not as much Rutgers/Maryland) and is an easy place to travel, both convenient driving from most Big Ten schools, but obviously has major airports as well. It's also a very entertaining place to go.

I have mixed emotions on NY/DC. Personally, being in the DC area, it is great. DC is also easy to travel to and does have a lot of Big Ten alumni. However, long-distance alumni typically are not as well connected to the university. Am I going to buy an all-session pass? Probably not. And you also will see the same issue you see in Indianapolis. With there being a lot of travel involved, if you end up even with a Purdue/Michigan State final - I'd be surprised if attendance was higher than 10,000 (which the Verizon Center seats 21k). To me, that's not an attractive look. There isn't a "Big Ten" interest in DC where you're going to have a bunch of randoms going. And the Big Ten alumni in this area are not as well connected, so once their team is out, their interest is also probably out. But with DC, once Maryland is out (or not playing in the session) - I don't know how great attendance will be.

So DC and NYC are fine in terms of to have it there 1 year - it will be a destination spot for fans to travel to. NYC will obviously be weird with having Big East there too. But NYC and DC are also fan-friendly. You can stay in a hotel right by the arenas, you can walk/public transport everywhere, lots of things to do, etc.

Overall, I'd prefer to have the tournament in one location each year. However, there isn't one obvious answer and all locations have major pluses and minuses. I'd love Chicago, but do not care of the United Center. They're building a new arena at the convention center closer to downtown, but the problem is that it's only 10k seats, so no chance the Big Ten moves to that.
 
Live in South Bend and have been to both places for the BTT and Indy is by far the better location. The few people I've heard that try to push Chicago like to cite how Chicago has more things to do which is true but I am there for a basketball tournament. I don't care that Chicago has more museums or places to shop. Indy has more than enough options to fill in what free time you have and everything is right there downtown and is walkable. The interaction between fans is awesome. The event takes over the downtown area. In Chicago you drive away from UC and might never know it was going on once you get to your hotel or restaurant of choice. The only reason Chicago is in the rotation at all is probably due to the size of the UC and the market size that allows them to sell a few thousand more tickets per session than Indy. Think about it. There's a reason Indy gets to host a Final Four every few years, have hosted a Super Bowl, permanent location of the NFL combine, etc. They do a great job putting these types of sporting events on. Not sure when the last time Chicago hosted a Final Four was.

Will be interesting to see how crowds are in DC and MSG. Large markets but it might be a limited local draw compared to Indy or Chicago. I hope somewhere down the line this can just be a permanent fixture in Indy but I think the Big Ten likes to throw some scraps to Chicago since their offices are there and they already gave Indy the BTCG for football since Chicago doesn't have a suitable venue for it.
 
I always view games in Indy as home games for IU. Moving it away from the center of the B1G is STUPID but it will likely eliminate the home court advantage that the Loosiers have enjoyed in the past although they are mostly on welfare and can travel more easily than alums with real job responsibilities.
 
Live in South Bend and have been to both places for the BTT and Indy is by far the better location. The few people I've heard that try to push Chicago like to cite how Chicago has more things to do which is true but I am there for a basketball tournament. I don't care that Chicago has more museums or places to shop. Indy has more than enough options to fill in what free time you have and everything is right there downtown and is walkable. The interaction between fans is awesome. The event takes over the downtown area. In Chicago you drive away from UC and might never know it was going on once you get to your hotel or restaurant of choice. The only reason Chicago is in the rotation at all is probably due to the size of the UC and the market size that allows them to sell a few thousand more tickets per session than Indy. Think about it. There's a reason Indy gets to host a Final Four every few years, have hosted a Super Bowl, permanent location of the NFL combine, etc. They do a great job putting these types of sporting events on. Not sure when the last time Chicago hosted a Final Four was.

Will be interesting to see how crowds are in DC and MSG. Large markets but it might be a limited local draw compared to Indy or Chicago. I hope somewhere down the line this can just be a permanent fixture in Indy but I think the Big Ten likes to throw some scraps to Chicago since their offices are there and they already gave Indy the BTCG for football since Chicago doesn't have a suitable venue for it.

Like I said in my post, both have advantages. Chicago's big issue is the venue, which is not a convenient location (and as a venue is not that great). Chicago hasn't hosted a Final Four because they do not have an indoor football stadium, has nothing to do with whether Chicago is a good "host city" or not for these types of events.

Chicago and Indy are two very different cities. Indianapolis RELIES on events like the Big Ten Tournament and other specialized events. Chicago not only has the NBA, but the NHL playing in the venue - so it's not like when the NBA team is out of town, the venue is not being utilized.

There's nothing WRONG with Indianapolis - the big issue with Indianapolis is that it doesn't have the overall population for it. Outside of IU/Purdue, there is no "natural" population of any other school. Chicago obviously has this. DC is also a city with lots of Big Ten alumni. DC/NYC will rely on the "destination" draw - people who want to visit the cities as a tourist and a fan. Indianapolis doesn't have that, but relies on the convenience (i.e. it's a few hour drive for many campuses) as the draw. But to have something consistent - the draw of only relative convenience eventually wears down. And when Purdue/IU have not been there, the attendance has really struggled. Whereas if Illinois isn't a factor in Chicago, the attendance is still there.

Overall, the tournament is a tough thing for the Big Ten to crack. For so long (and still), the regular season championship has meant so much. Whereas you look at a tournament like the ACC/Big East and it typically is much more of a draw/demand because the tournament was THE thing to win.

The Big Ten obviously has taken to the idea of having a rotation is a better idea. Supply/demand. If you only go to Indianapolis once every few years, it will keep the draw fresh.
 
Also with the b10 this year, the field is wide open. No reason we can't string together 3-4 wins.
there are some teams, like us, that can really improve their seed w/a good conf. tourney run.
much like uconn a few years ago when they went from a #9 big east seed to a #3 ncaa seed.
 
It is easier for Chicago to sell a few thousand more tickets which is about the only advantage of having it in Chicago. Indy has offset thus by adding some perks to its bid though. For example Indy allows the women's tournament to be played in Bankers Life Fieldhouse and doesn't push it to a secondary venue like Chicago does. They organize some events for fans (I recall a fan fest and I believe a job fair for BT grads) that I don't believe are done in Chicago.

This really isn't even a close contest. For fan experience Indy is by far the better option.
 
I always view games in Indy as home games for IU. Moving it away from the center of the B1G is STUPID but it will likely eliminate the home court advantage that the Loosiers have enjoyed in the past although they are mostly on welfare and can travel more easily than alums with real job responsibilities.

For having that advantage they have never done much with it.
 
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For having that advantage they have never done much with it.

Quite frankly, we haven't done much with the advantage either. While we won the game, when we made the championship game and won it, there were several thousand empty seats. No reason Purdue fans shouldn't have packed the place.
 
Quite frankly, we haven't done much with the advantage either. While we won the game, when we made the championship game and won it, there were several thousand empty seats. No reason Purdue fans shouldn't have packed the place.

Chicago is a better city. Indy is a better place for the tournament.

But the point of my post wasn't to compare the cities. I'm not an Indy guy. I'm not a Chicago guy. I'm a Purdue guy.

Indy offers a fantastic experience, and one Purdue fans should take advantage of. We can impact the games in Indy and help out team.
 
Interesting way to put it. Can only speak for myself but I'd rather live in Indy. Chicago is a better place to go out for a night on the town or a getaway weekend because there is a wider array of entertainment options there but I wouldn't want to stay there long term.
 
For having that advantage they have never done much with it.
I was going to say the same thing. Knight, Sampson, Davis, & Crean haven't done diddly squat with the B1G tourney when located in Indy. What happens is you don't get as much student body going and you get alumni mainly and in IU's case, they are wine & cheese attendees. Other teams bring WAY more student body (us), and thus the reduction in advantage for IU. (IMO)
 
We aren't nearly the draw in Indy that IU is.

Yes, and it's a miserable failure of Purdue. Purdue used to sell out Indianapolis arenas for the Blockbuster. Now we're happy when a couple thousand people buy tickets for the Crossroads Classic.
 
Yes, and it's a miserable failure of Purdue. Purdue used to sell out Indianapolis arenas for the Blockbuster. Now we're happy when a couple thousand people buy tickets for the Crossroads Classic.
I personally think the problem with the crossroads is when it happens. It seems I can never make it because of family obligations during that time of the year. As far as the BTT I always used to go but it's a hassle now, expensive and all the games are on a big screen in my home or my family.
 
Well,I do agree that The NCAA Hall of Champions is lame.I went when it opened several years ago,and I thought it was the biggest waste of seven bucks I ever spent.Indy doesn't have the many things to see and do that Chicago does,but how much time do you have to see tourist attractions when you go somewhere to see a basketball tournament ?
 
Looks like we control our destiny to get the 5 seed in the BIG tourney. Win-out and we will get it over o$u and Wisky since we would have a tie-breaker over o$u and would have a better record and the tie-breaker over wisky. And honestly, the way Iowa is playing, the four seed could still be in play if they lose their last two.

Heck technically speaking seeds 3 and 2 are open as well. But Idk how the tie-breaker would work with Maryland since we split but if msu losses one more time we could pass them as well.
 
1. IU 13-3 - at Iowa, vs Maryland
2. Wisconsin 11-5 - at Minnesota, at Purdue
3. Maryland 11-5 - vs Illinois, at IU
4. Iowa 11-5 - vs IU, at Michigan
5. MSU 11-5 - at Rutgers, vs OSU
6. OSU 11-6 - at MSU
7. Purdue 10-6 - at Nebraska, vs Wisconsin
8. Michigan 10-7 - vs Iowa

Assume the teams above win the games I've bolded. Final standings would be:

1. IU 14-4
2. MSU - 13-5
3. Wisconsin 12-6 (2-3 against Maryland, Iowa and Purdue)
Maryland 12-6 (3-2 against Wisconsin, Iowa and Purdue)
Iowa 12-6 (2-2 against Wisconsin, Maryland, and Purdue)
Purdue 12-6 (3-3 against Wisconsin, Maryland, and Iowa)
7. OSU 11-7
8. Michigan 10-8

I think the tiebreakers would go as follows for that group:

3 seed - Maryland based on best winning percentage against the group of tied teams
4 seed - Iowa based on .500 winning percentage against tied group and a .500 winning percentage against IU compared to our .000 winning percentage against IU
5 seed - Purdue based on .500 winning percentage against tied group
6 seed - Wisconsin based on worst winning percentage against tied group

Here's the thing. We do not want to be tied with Iowa because getting swept by them is the one team in the group we didn't at least split with and that drags our winning percentage down in whatever group we are tied with. We either want them to win out or lose out. If Iowa is removed from that group, we have the best winning percentage of a group that includes just Wisconsin (assuming we win out) and Maryland.

What we should cheer for, if I have it figured correctly is the following:

1. Purdue to win out.
2. IU to beat Maryland
3. Iowa to go 0-2 or 2-0.

I think this would give us a 4 seed if Iowa goes 2-0 and a 3 seed if they go 0-2. Of course a big upset like Wisconsin losing at Minnesota, Maryland losing to Illinois, or MSU dropping a game could throw a wrench in everything.
 
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What we should cheer for, if I have it figured correctly is the following:

1. Purdue to win out.
2. IU to beat Maryland
3. Iowa to go 0-2 or 2-0.

I think this would give us a 4 seed if Iowa goes 2-0 and a 3 seed if they go 0-2. Of course a big upset like Wisconsin losing at Minnesota, Maryland losing to Illinois, or MSU dropping a game could throw a wrench in everything.

I believe if Iowa beats Michigan in the last game, but loses to IU and IU beats Maryland, I think Purdue still gets the 4 seed.

Under the above scenario there would be a 4 way tie between Maryland, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Purdue.

Maryland would get the 3 seed, Purdue the 4 seed, Iowa the 5 seed, and Wisconsin the 6 seed.

So really the key is for IU to win out. We can still get the 4 seed even if IU loses to Iowa, them winning just makes it easier for us.
 
1. IU 13-3 - at Iowa, vs Maryland
2. Wisconsin 11-5 - at Minnesota, at Purdue
3. Maryland 11-5 - vs Illinois, at IU
4. Iowa 11-5 - vs IU, at Michigan
5. MSU 11-5 - at Rutgers, vs OSU
6. OSU 11-6 - at MSU
7. Purdue 10-6 - at Nebraska, vs Wisconsin
8. Michigan 10-7 - vs Iowa

Assume the teams above win the games I've bolded. Final standings would be:

1. IU 14-4
2. MSU - 13-5
3. Wisconsin 12-6 (2-3 against Maryland, Iowa and Purdue)
Maryland 12-6 (3-2 against Wisconsin, Iowa and Purdue)
Iowa 12-6 (2-2 against Wisconsin, Maryland, and Purdue)
Purdue 12-6 (3-3 against Wisconsin, Maryland, and Iowa)
7. OSU 11-7
8. Michigan 10-8

I think the tiebreakers would go as follows for that group:

3 seed - Maryland based on best winning percentage against the group of tied teams
4 seed - Iowa based on .500 winning percentage against tied group and a .500 winning percentage against IU compared to our .000 winning percentage against IU
5 seed - Purdue based on .500 winning percentage against tied group
6 seed - Wisconsin based on worst winning percentage against tied group

Here's the thing. We do not want to be tied with Iowa because getting swept by them is the one team in the group we didn't at least split with and that drags our winning percentage down in whatever group we are tied with. We either want them to win out or lose out. If Iowa is removed from that group, we have the best winning percentage of a group that includes just Wisconsin (assuming we win out) and Maryland.

What we should cheer for, if I have it figured correctly is the following:

1. Purdue to win out.
2. IU to beat Maryland
3. Iowa to go 0-2 or 2-0.

I think this would give us a 4 seed if Iowa goes 2-0 and a 3 seed if they go 0-2. Of course a big upset like Wisconsin losing at Minnesota, Maryland losing to Illinois, or MSU dropping a game could throw a wrench in everything.
1. IU 13-3 - at Iowa, vs Maryland
2. Wisconsin 11-5 - at Minnesota, at Purdue
3. Maryland 11-5 - vs Illinois, at IU
4. Iowa 11-5 - vs IU, at Michigan
5. MSU 11-5 - at Rutgers, vs OSU
6. OSU 11-6 - at MSU
7. Purdue 10-6 - at Nebraska, vs Wisconsin
8. Michigan 10-7 - vs Iowa

Assume the teams above win the games I've bolded. Final standings would be:

1. IU 14-4
2. MSU - 13-5
3. Wisconsin 12-6 (2-3 against Maryland, Iowa and Purdue)
Maryland 12-6 (3-2 against Wisconsin, Iowa and Purdue)
Iowa 12-6 (2-2 against Wisconsin, Maryland, and Purdue)
Purdue 12-6 (3-3 against Wisconsin, Maryland, and Iowa)
7. OSU 11-7
8. Michigan 10-8

I think the tiebreakers would go as follows for that group:

3 seed - Maryland based on best winning percentage against the group of tied teams
4 seed - Iowa based on .500 winning percentage against tied group and a .500 winning percentage against IU compared to our .000 winning percentage against IU
5 seed - Purdue based on .500 winning percentage against tied group
6 seed - Wisconsin based on worst winning percentage against tied group

Here's the thing. We do not want to be tied with Iowa because getting swept by them is the one team in the group we didn't at least split with and that drags our winning percentage down in whatever group we are tied with. We either want them to win out or lose out. If Iowa is removed from that group, we have the best winning percentage of a group that includes just Wisconsin (assuming we win out) and Maryland.

What we should cheer for, if I have it figured correctly is the following:

1. Purdue to win out.
2. IU to beat Maryland
3. Iowa to go 0-2 or 2-0.

I think this would give us a 4 seed if Iowa goes 2-0 and a 3 seed if they go 0-2. Of course a big upset like Wisconsin losing at Minnesota, Maryland losing to Illinois, or MSU dropping a game could throw a wrench in everything.


You have no winner in the Iowa-Michigan game. I didn't check to see if seedings would change either way.
 
I personally think the problem with the crossroads is when it happens. It seems I can never make it because of family obligations during that time of the year. As far as the BTT I always used to go but it's a hassle now, expensive and all the games are on a big screen in my home or my family.

I mean, everyone has personal things.

But why does IU do fine selling tickets? The Blockbuster used to be at the same time of year - and yet, it used to sell out (or come close) an entire arena with Purdue fans.

Sitting on your couch because it's on TV is part of the reason Purdue has such crappy support. The fans just don't care. It's not just about you, it's about supporting the team too.

We haven't had a home court advantage in Indianapolis in years - and we've played there at least twice most of those years. It's pathetic.
 
You have no winner in the Iowa-Michigan game. I didn't check to see if seedings would change either way.

Sorry. My assumption was Michigan would win that game since they are at home, Iowa has sucked lately, and Michigan might well need it to get into the tournament (currently they are one of the last 4 in).
 
I believe if Iowa beats Michigan in the last game, but loses to IU and IU beats Maryland, I think Purdue still gets the 4 seed.

Under the above scenario there would be a 4 way tie between Maryland, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Purdue.

Maryland would get the 3 seed, Purdue the 4 seed, Iowa the 5 seed, and Wisconsin the 6 seed.

So really the key is for IU to win out. We can still get the 4 seed even if IU loses to Iowa, them winning just makes it easier for us.

If I understand the rules correctly, Iowa would get the 4 seed ahead of us in that scenario because we both have a .500 winning percentage amongst that group of 4 so then you start to look at record against the team at the top of the standings and work your way down until someone has a better win percentage. IU will be at the top and Iowa will be 1-1 against them and we will be 0-1.
 
I was going to say the same thing. Knight, Sampson, Davis, & Crean haven't done diddly squat with the B1G tourney when located in Indy. What happens is you don't get as much student body going and you get alumni mainly and in IU's case, they are wine & cheese attendees. Other teams bring WAY more student body (us), and thus the reduction in advantage for IU. (IMO)
Don't see Purdue fans short
Well,I do agree that The NCAA Hall of Champions is lame.I went when it opened several years ago,and I thought it was the biggest waste of seven bucks I ever spent.Indy doesn't have the many things to see and do that Chicago does,but how much time do you have to see tourist attractions when you go somewhere to see a basketball tournament ?
I didn't even list the NCAA Hall of Champions on my list of things to do in Indy. You really want to deal with Chicago traffic? Wind, cold, rain, snow this time of year.....No , I don't think so. Indy is so much better with all of that and to boot, great places to eat that you don't have to wait in a 2 hour line for... like who in their right minds are going to stay for more than a couple days depending on how your team does, there is PLENTY to do in Indy. And who in the heck is going to be looking for iconic things to do, most people vegetate in their hotel rooms anyway.
 
Sitting on your couch because it's on TV is part of the reason Purdue has such crappy support. The fans just don't care. It's not just about you, it's about supporting the team too.

We haven't had a home court advantage in Indianapolis in years - and we've played there at least twice most of those years. It's pathetic.

This is why I started the thread - to drum up support because the fans CAN impact the game. No excuse not to pack it full of Purdue fans.

But some people immediately turned this into a "Indy sucks, Chicago's better" thread.

This isn't a vacation. If you're into museums and culture, go to New York.

If you want to enjoy basketball in an incredibly walkable city, with tons of restaurants and bars where all the fans of the schools are in contact with each other. go to Indy and cheer on the boilers.
 
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This is why I started the thread - to drum up support because the fans CAN impact the game. No excuse not to pack it full of Purdue fans.

But some people immediately turned this into a "Indy sucks, Chicago's better" thread.

This isn't a vacation. If you're into museums and culture, go to New York.

If you want to enjoy basketball in an incredibly walkable city, with tons of restaurants and bars where all the fans of the schools are in contact with each other. go to Indy and cheer on the boilers.
Spot on njm8845, close to the same thing I just posted. We need to bring the excitement back to Purdue basketball in downtown Indy by bringing the train and other things that we do when we travel to IU football games. Bring the drum, train, band, and march around indy around Banker's Life for the day leading up to our first game. We need all the support we can get. One things is for sure, we need a better promotional department for events like this.
 
I mean, everyone has personal things.

But why does IU do fine selling tickets? The Blockbuster used to be at the same time of year - and yet, it used to sell out (or come close) an entire arena with Purdue fans.

Sitting on your couch because it's on TV is part of the reason Purdue has such crappy support. The fans just don't care. It's not just about you, it's about supporting the team too.

We haven't had a home court advantage in Indianapolis in years - and we've played there at least twice most of those years. It's pathetic.
I agree with you basic point here but would add the last stats I saw showed app. 3x the number of IU alumni in the Indy metro area than Purdue grads. Add in probably 10x more t shirt fans and I'm not surprised at all they outdraw us. But we still should be able to show up with a decent size contingent that makes some noise. Additionally this year, with IU winning the regular season, I would hope if IU were to play Purdue we could get residual support from other fan bases.

I don't really care for the BTT. I never have. I'll watch on TV but would never even consider attending unless for the novelty of a NYC event. I could definitely see my family going to that just for the experience.
 
DC is boiler country. We'll represent.

Can't wait for it to be in DC, although it's a selfish opinion (hardly think it's Big Ten country and DC as a whole is not a great college sports town).

However, there is a good chunk of Purdue fans here, as there are for all Big Ten schools. As I mentioned in another post, the "distance" fans typically are not as great and probably not the all-session pass type of buyers. I was kinda disappointed in Purdue's showing at the NCAA Tournament in 2008 (?) in DC. It was a good group, but smaller than what I would have thought.

Verizon Center is a pretty decent arena/venue. Little large, but not as cavernous as United Center.
 
Can't wait for it to be in DC, although it's a selfish opinion (hardly think it's Big Ten country and DC as a whole is not a great college sports town).

However, there is a good chunk of Purdue fans here, as there are for all Big Ten schools. As I mentioned in another post, the "distance" fans typically are not as great and probably not the all-session pass type of buyers. I was kinda disappointed in Purdue's showing at the NCAA Tournament in 2008 (?) in DC. It was a good group, but smaller than what I would have thought.

Verizon Center is a pretty decent arena/venue. Little large, but not as cavernous as United Center.
Banker's Life is one of the best NBA areas in the league (as voted on by players and coaches). Also, as voted by media, it's the #1.
 
Banker's Life is one of the best NBA areas in the league (as voted on by players and coaches). Also, as voted by media, it's the #1.

I like it. The only negative, in my opinion, is how high up it gets in the upper level. But there isn't an NBA type of arena out there that I think is perfect (none match a traditional college arena environment). They're all too big for that.

Maryland's arena is actually a lot like Bankers Life - but is much more compact (and still seats around the same). But obviously with college arenas, you aren't worried so much about some of the NBA type of perks/seat sizes/etc.
 
I like it. The only negative, in my opinion, is how high up it gets in the upper level. But there isn't an NBA type of arena out there that I think is perfect (none match a traditional college arena environment). They're all too big for that.

Maryland's arena is actually a lot like Bankers Life - but is much more compact (and still seats around the same). But obviously with college arenas, you aren't worried so much about some of the NBA type of perks/seat sizes/etc.
Yea, there are nose-bleeds for sure and it is steep. Viewing angles are good and rarely will you find someone blocked by a tall person in front of them. I get winded getting to the top of BL for sure.
 
Banker's Life is one of the best NBA areas in the league (as voted on by players and coaches). Also, as voted by media, it's the #1.
i hate bankers life. I have only been to hockey (although multiple boxes and seats) at Verizon and not cbb yet. I liked it and it gets loud in there. Plus there are a lot of food/drink spot within a block of Verizon. It makes spending a day there more tolerable.
 
i hate bankers life. I have only been to hockey (although multiple boxes and seats) at Verizon and not cbb yet. I liked it and it gets loud in there. Plus there are a lot of food/drink spot within a block of Verizon. It makes spending a day there more tolerable.

Verizon is great - it's easy to get to via Metro, close to a lot of stuff, plenty of places to eat/drink, etc.

Hockey is a better set-up just because it's a bigger playing area (behind the baskets is really only where it gets bad at Verizon), but anytime you have a 21k seat arena, there are going to be not ideal seats.
 
If I understand the rules correctly, Iowa would get the 4 seed ahead of us in that scenario because we both have a .500 winning percentage amongst that group of 4 so then you start to look at record against the team at the top of the standings and work your way down until someone has a better win percentage. IU will be at the top and Iowa will be 1-1 against them and we will be 0-1.

Under the scenario I posted, Iowa would be 0-2 against IU, and 2-0 against MSU. (The scenario I'm talking about is Iowa losing to IU on Tuesday and beating Michigan the last game). After the four way tie you move all the way down to OSU 7th and Purdue is 1-0 there while Iowa just lost to them.

I tried in out on the B10 simulator and PU ended up with the 4 seed over Iowa in this scenario.
 
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While I agree that Indy is a great venue in terms of convenience for visitors, it still has its negatives.

One is that the city as a whole is relatively small and not a "hub" of Big Ten alumni. Yeah there's a lot of Purdue/IU alumni, but outside of that - no school really has much. This relies on travel for most fans, which can hamper attendance (which we've seen with poor attendance for championship games).

Secondly, while it's not necessarily a bad thing that fans have to travel, Indianapolis is just not a Chicago, New York, DC in terms of entertainment. Unless you're going to every session, there's limited things to do in Indianapolis (particularly if the weather is not great). There ARE things to do and improvements have been made, but the fact that you point out the Colts Pro Shop as a tourist destination....speaks to the issue. So people may go for one year. But will they want to return year after year - I mean once you go to the NCAA Museum, there's no need to ever go back. And quite frankly, while the restaurants have improved in Indy, some other retail has gone down - Circle Center is not a shopping destination whatsoever anymore. When your most "exclusive"/rare store is H&M, there's an issue.

Chicago, in my opinion, would be THE place to have it - but with one major caveat. The United Center blows. Not only in terms of venue, but also location. Chicago has a ton of Big Ten alumni (although maybe not as much Rutgers/Maryland) and is an easy place to travel, both convenient driving from most Big Ten schools, but obviously has major airports as well. It's also a very entertaining place to go.

I have mixed emotions on NY/DC. Personally, being in the DC area, it is great. DC is also easy to travel to and does have a lot of Big Ten alumni. However, long-distance alumni typically are not as well connected to the university. Am I going to buy an all-session pass? Probably not. And you also will see the same issue you see in Indianapolis. With there being a lot of travel involved, if you end up even with a Purdue/Michigan State final - I'd be surprised if attendance was higher than 10,000 (which the Verizon Center seats 21k). To me, that's not an attractive look. There isn't a "Big Ten" interest in DC where you're going to have a bunch of randoms going. And the Big Ten alumni in this area are not as well connected, so once their team is out, their interest is also probably out. But with DC, once Maryland is out (or not playing in the session) - I don't know how great attendance will be.

So DC and NYC are fine in terms of to have it there 1 year - it will be a destination spot for fans to travel to. NYC will obviously be weird with having Big East there too. But NYC and DC are also fan-friendly. You can stay in a hotel right by the arenas, you can walk/public transport everywhere, lots of things to do, etc.

Overall, I'd prefer to have the tournament in one location each year. However, there isn't one obvious answer and all locations have major pluses and minuses. I'd love Chicago, but do not care of the United Center. They're building a new arena at the convention center closer to downtown, but the problem is that it's only 10k seats, so no chance the Big Ten moves to that.

I have been to both locations, there is no comparison in terms of quality of experience. There are more quality places to visit, eat, drink, and listen in walking distance than you will possibly have time for while you are there. I understand the concern about it being a relative home game for IU, but the overall convenience, cost, and quality of experience is hands down better in Indy.
 
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