You mean the same offense that Kansas runs? Because they just made the FF running essentially the same offense we run.
Because yall needs stats to prove Painter is...
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Welcome to our board! It’s apparent you haven’t been around because arguably our most critical player was either sick, injured, or trying to play on that injured ankle almost all of February.
Coaches leave their ‘dream job’ all the time. Keep in mind he called it that after leaving UNLV after a week to take the job. My guess would be that it would have to be an elite job for him to leave, but if he keeps winning at Tech he’ll get a shot at one of those jobs and will likely go.
No! if you notice...they set much better screens and get much better spacing on the court...not even close to the same version.....
It is the same version. We can argue about execution if you want. But they essentially run the same high post weave we do.
Could be crazy, lol. Who knows, maybe he does stay. I think I read that his daughters are an hour away and Lubbock is in the middle of nowhere.
This is a stupid, STUPID thread, and I feel dumber for simply scanning some of the moronic posts.
We have a 30-win season, we're on the doorstep to the Elite 8/Final Four (with a season-ending injury to a key player), we run one of the cleanest programs in all of college basketball, we have an incredibly stable, successful basketball program, and because SOME people covet what others have had (an Elite 8, or Final Four appearance), we're to fire an incredibly successful coach, roll the dice at the craps table ALL IN THE HOPES(!) some other coach will deliver something more than what we've had (and NOT do it by violating the rules), ALL TO MAKE SOME PEOPLE FEEL BETTER about themselves.
I'm not buying it.
Y'all who are rushing to tar and feather Painter can suck an egg. I neither love nor loathe the guy, but he is what we have, and we could have it a HELLUVA lot worse. We could be IU. (GAG!)
I'm repulsed by some of the people on this forum that would never, EVER allow themselves to be scrutinized like they're scrutinizing Matt Painter. They'd never hold themselves to the level of performance they're holding Matt Painter. But, by G-d, they demand a WINNER!!!
This thread is a joke.
We have a 30-win season, we're on the doorstep to the Elite 8/Final Four (with a season-ending injury to a key player), we run one of the cleanest programs in all of college basketball, we have an incredibly stable, successful basketball program, and because SOME people covet what others have had (an Elite 8, or Final Four appearance), we're to fire an incredibly successful coach, roll the dice at the craps table ALL IN THE HOPES(!) some other coach will deliver something more than what we've had (and NOT do it by violating the rules), ALL TO MAKE SOME PEOPLE FEEL BETTER about themselves.
I'm not buying it.
Y'all who are rushing to tar and feather Painter can suck an egg. I neither love nor loathe the guy, but he is what we have, and we could have it a HELLUVA lot worse. We could be IU. (GAG!)
I'm repulsed by some of the people on this forum that would never, EVER allow themselves to be scrutinized like they're scrutinizing Matt Painter. They'd never hold themselves to the level of performance they're holding Matt Painter. But, by G-d, they demand a WINNER!!!
This thread is a joke.
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I hope Nojel continues to trust in Matt and the system.
It was rumored that Carsen considered transferring last year after losing his staring spot at the end of the season to a less talented player who did a better job of executing what was asked of him within the system. Instead he spent the off-season improving his game and learning to play within the system and became an all American as a sophomore.
I have never met Nojel but by all accounts his is an exceptional young man. As a mother I’d imagine that you are very proud and rightfully so. I know as a parent that it’s incredibly hard to trust the well being of your child to someone else, but Matt will put Nojel in a position to best utilize his talents within the system, just like he did for Carsen this year, and NBA guys eat that stuff up. Being able to create is great, but being able to do so while working within a system is what allows guys to stick in the NBA for ten years.
Except they have 4 athletes that are basically athletic guards on the perimeter who can score off the bounce. We usually have 1 or 2 if you count Vince. They collapse defenses by driving and then kicking to shooters. That’s not our offense. Next year it very well could be with Carsen, Nojel, hunter, And Wheeler.
This hands down is the best response ever. GBI needs to sticky your post, well done.
Carsen and Nojel are 2 different players not just in size and what may have worked for carsen may not work for my son. That offense is to condensed to me my son needs spacing freedom of movement like moving more w/o the ball. He played inside and outside on offense and defense in HS. Played in the post ran the point he played every position and made plays for his teammates and himself bcuz he’s versatile enough with size that can do that and he could have done that at this level too but in this offensive system they ran It didn’t fit his style of play. He will be in gym working on his game improving on his shooting the most but working with a lot on other aspects of his game with a trainer who trains a few nba players to get his game better. I’m not sure how the offense will look like next season don’t think nothing changes but at this point my son is concentrating on finishing school strong academically and stay in the gym getting better.
I am totally in the belief that everyone will be shocked at the team next year. I see NE being incredible on both defense, penetration, and offensive put backs. The only thing stopping Wheeler will be hitting his head on the bankboard on his way to grabbing about 1/2 the rebounds we lost this year, Tre gets the other rebounds that we didn't get this year - thus equaling 100%. Hunter is the kind of frosh that other teams have come in and contribute immensely. And well Carsen will be the ulitmate Carsen... AND the confident aggressive leader a great team needs.
I hope all the returning players follow your advice, get in the gym and improve on all areas of their game. The more improved they are, will get Purdue to the Elite 8 or farther.
@Treed1967, next year would Nojel feel more comfortable at the point or the 2 guard position, or maybe the SF(3) position?
My son is a basketball player doesn’t matter we’re he plays it’s all about matchups. I’m really not thinking about next season only thinking about what he will be doing when he comes home in may training.
Best of luck to him in the offseason. I know from your posts that you’re a big hoops fan, the only advice I could offer regarding not knowing if the offense will change is to check out some film from when E’twuan, JJ and Hummel were here. It looked much different then than it did now based on personnel.
Best wishes to you and Nojel!
Was going to post something very similar. CMP will adjust his system to his players and the baby Boilers are a perfect example of that.
Let's make sure a player has a credible jumpshot and can be trusted to hit a free throw or two in crunchtime before we revamp the offense to fit his skillset.
If he was under-utilized this season, whose minutes should Nojel have taken?
I'm extremely excited about Nojel's potential and what he can bring to Purdue the next three seasons. But all this talk reeks of Scott Martin 2.0. If finding a run-and-gun system is worth sitting out a year and going to a lower-level program, then that's what the kid should do. You only get five years to play college basketball; might as well make the most of it.
If he was under-utilized this season, whose minutes should Nojel have taken?
I'm extremely excited about Nojel's potential and what he can bring to Purdue the next three seasons. But all this talk reeks of Scott Martin 2.0. If finding a run-and-gun system is worth sitting out a year and going to a lower-level program, then that's what the kid should do. You only get five years to play college basketball; might as well make the most of it.
Listen sir again I no my son and what he can do and as I’ve said all season this offense was not a good fit how my son plays with or without a jump shot sir. I’m not worried about his shot or FTs that would be addressed soon as school ends. Don’t compare my son to a kid who’s half my son size he left for his on personal reasons. Another expert who seems to no who and what my son can do. It’s lots of others options than 5 years of college so you no since you no so much.
I was thinking the same thing myself.
With Isaac graduating, that ends the string of traditional, prototypical "back to the basket" type post players that we've had the last 6-8 years. I don't see Matty Haarms becoming a brick shit-house type down low (even by his senior year), so I see more of a JJ type, or even a Frank Kaminski type 5, who roams the middle, pops out to the top of the key to set screens, and then either flashes to the rim for the give and go, or slides out to the arc for a 3 pt shot.
Remember, when AJ had Biggie here to help with the rebounding load, then it freed him up to face the basket more, and use his big body for more than just as a garbage filler down in the paint.
I will also say this: we lost to TT in the sweet 16; a team that had lots of athletes to fill their roster...but it wasn't so long ago that Purdue had a roster filled with those same type athlete, but couldn't hit outside shots consistently...so teams just packed the lane, and dared us to drive into the trees.. At that time, everyone on here was crying: "WE NEED SHOOTERS!!!!".
Painter recruited and brought in a team with both type players to be on this year's team, but then Basil flamed out, Biggie left early for the NBA, and Jaquil was never able to gt back to form after being out with foot troubles again (after the WUG)...
You guys want to bitch and complain about Purdue's "sub-standard" March performances, (and don't get me wrong; I know the Boilers late season bad luck string really sucks), but you can't just blame it on CMP when guys get injured, or when the roster doesn't end up the same way he recruited it to be in the first place; he's not a fortune teller.
And, for all of you who might say I'm just a "Painter apologist"; it's not lost on me that I just don't understand some of the things he did this year.
--I don't understand not playing JT more,so he'd be more prepared, if something happened to IH or MH...
--I don't know why he didn't use Nojel more in the conference season, since the kid was improving by leaps and bounds since the first of the year. and did nothing but elp the team when he was in there.
--I question why he didn't play Haas and Haarm together more, since rebounding seemed to be such an obvious weakness for the team.
I could go on, but I've made my point.
We're just never going to know what could have been; as it simply didn't work out the way it was planned to be.
This team was probably a 6 or 7 seed without Isaac Haas. With him, its a 2 seed and top 5 KenPom team.
When the centerpiece to your entire offense goes down, its somewhat of a critical blow. PJ and Dakotas spot up shooting takes a huge blow when a guy who attracts double teams is now taken off the floor.
Painter still found a way to beat a tournament team without him because hes a pretty elite game planner as a coach. But yeah, on a roster of no top 75 recruits, losing the megaefficient giant who is the engine that makes your whole offense run, having a week to adjust obviously isnt enough.
When the centerpiece to your entire offense goes down, its somewhat of a critical blow. PJ and Dakotas spot up shooting takes a huge blow when a guy who attracts double teams is now taken off the floor.
Painter still found a way to beat a tournament team without him because hes a pretty elite game planner as a coach. But yeah, on a roster of no top 75 recruits, losing the megaefficient giant who is the engine that makes your whole offense run, having a week to adjust obviously isnt enough.
The good news for Purdue fans is having studied the advanced offensive and defensive stats of the returners and having analyzed Aaron Wheeler and the frosh, Purdue appears to be an absolute lock to go dancing again and a favorite to end up as a top 4 team in the conference.
Haas was literally double teamed multiple possessions every single game, including the game at Michigan State.
MAYBE once or twice a game. Nothing significant. Haas not getting double teamed is what lead to our decline this year. Many on here will argue that it was when Vince got sick (I'm not going to argue that), but to me it was obvious we weren't the same dominant force when teams played Haas straight up. We could/should have still beat TT.
Well, the 2nd best offense in the nation couldnt even muster a point per possession without him vs Texas Tech. For Purdue - He was 2nd in usage, offensive rating, and True shooting %, and first in fouls drawn.
Even if one had never watched Purdue play, they could glance at those stats and conclude hes a huge centerpiece for Purdue.
As far as next season, the numbers bear out that Purdues 4 best defenders, as far as points per possession for opposing teams when they were on the floor, in conference play were:
1. HAARMS 97.9
2. Nojel Eastern 100.4
3. Carsen Edwards 101.6
4. Dakota Mathias 101.7
3 of those 4 players should start and play major minutes next season forming what projects to be one of the better defenses in the nation next season. Add in a long, athletic 6'9 4 man in Aaron Wheeler- and given Matt Painters tremendous track record on that side of the ball - and one can safely project this team as one of the best 25 teams(and thats a conservative estimate - most likely one of the 10 best) in the nation as far as defensive efficiency.
A team with those numbers defensively lead by Carsen Edwards offensively pressuring opposing defenses with ball screen action is almost assuredly a lock to be a tournament team in my eyes, and thats a rather easy conclusion to draw.
Already extremely excited about next season having now fully looked at everything.
The issue with the TT game is that for some reason we started the game trying to play through Haarms like we had all year with Haas. That obviously wasn't going to work.
As for next year, our defense might be okay, but out offense will take a significant step back. We don't project to be very good next year (at least not top 5 in the B1G). You don't know anything about AW. He could be really good or he could be really bad. He apparently wasn't good enough to get on the court this year.
Did you fully look at the real possibility that Carsen goes to the NBA, or that Nojel or AW transfer?
Carsen Edwards isnt going to the NBA. He has a 0% chance of being drafted in the first round and may not even be drafted at all were he to leave.
Jonathan Givony, ESPN's draft expert formerly of DraftExpress, just released his big board of draft prospects today. Carsen Edwards is 70th on the list, making him well out of draftable range.
So not sure thats even a scenario worth entertaining or considering.
I havent the slightest clue why I would assume Nojel Eastern or Aaron Wheeler would transfer either.
"ESPN's Draft Expert" lol. They have about as much expertise as you do. Go back to the national board and defend yourself against the Purdue fans that are mocking you for your postings here.
Givony is universally respected and regarded as a top notch draft guy. His board reflects input from not only his own scouting and research on players, but that of discussions with scouts and NBA personnel.
Citing his info out on Edwards, or any players for that matter, draft stock is as accurate an assessment as one can get at this moment. Your dismissal of that is sort of an admission you dont know what youre talking about here in regards to the likelihood Carsen will be staying in the draft.
Moving on:
Can you touch on why I should be considering Nojel Eastern and Aaron Wheeler as transfers rather than assuming they will be back? Do you have any info on that or is that just some shot in the dark youre taking?
Everyone on this board knows why Nojel's status is up in the air at this point. AW was rumored to be against redshirting to begin with.
Why would Wheeler transfer? So he can sit out another year? He’s got to be chomping at the bit to get on the floor and he will abundantly next year for us.
And the issue with the TT game wasn’t the start. That’s the best the offense looked all night.
Carsen is doing exactly what Carsen should do . . . test the water and see what the experts think. It's also a good way to get feedback on areas of improvement.
I agree . . . I think there's near zero chance he declares for the draft.
Also agree, combination of Edwards, Eastern, Wheeler, Smith, Haarms, et al, are going to be highly dangerous.
Hunter is going to push for minutes. If his shot is there and he can play a lick of D, he's going to get some nice PT, which will go a long way to preparing him in the event Carsen leaves after his Jr year.
Here’s my take on Painter. He can coach the X’s & O’s of basketball very well. But there is something definitely missing. I cannot put my finger on it but I occasionally wonder if he’s not a narcissist. On the surface he seems unable to believe his ways are not the best. Which seems to cause him to never change anything. His relationships with his players come across as business only and somewhat robotic. I.E. I could never see a Painter coached team coming to hug & celebrate with him reaching a Final Four. Those relationships matter...at ALL levels of sports. I see his teams are close, but him not being a part of it. I hope I’m wrong but the years are flying by and every March I watch the same rerun over & over again.
