Because yall needs stats to prove Painter is...

[banshee90]

Average at best.

Coaches with more tenure than Painter in Major Conferences

ACC
Syracuse Jim Boeheim (NCAA Champion)

Duke Mike Krzyzewski (NCAA Champion)

UND Mike Brey (Elite 8)

FSU Leonard Hamilton (Elite 8)

UNC Roy Williams (NCAA Champion)

Big Ten

MSU Tom Izzo (NCAA Champion)

Big East

Nova Jay Wright (NCAA Champion)

Big 12

KU Bill Self (NCAA Champion)

Baylor Scott Drew (Elite 8 /NIT Champion)

Teams that have settled ND, FSU, and Baylor...

Leonard Hamilton is probably the only coach worse than Painter. Playing in a football state with a school that hired a coach who peaked at the sweet 16... IE They will accept mediocrity.

Coaches hired after Painter but have had more than 5 years coaching.


ACC

UVA Tony Bennet (Elite 8)

Clemson Brad Brownell (S16)

Miami Jim Larranaga (S16/NIT runner up)

Big Ten

UM John Beilein (NCAA Runner Up)

Iowa Fran McCaffery (NIT runner up)

Maryland Mark Turgeon (Sweet 16)

Penn State Patt Chambers (made the NIT lol)

Nebraska Tim Miles (made the tourney lol)

Big East

Xavier Chris Mack (Elite 8)

Creighton Greg McDermott (NIT quarterfinals NCAA Round of 32)

Seton Hall Kevin Willard (NCAA round of 32)

Providence Ed Cooley (NIT quarterfinals NCAA round of 32)

Big 12

WVU Bob Huggins (Final Four)

OU Lon Kruger (Final Four)

KSU Bruce Webber (Elite Eight)

PAC

Arizona Sean Miller (Elite Eight)

Colorado Tad Boyle (NCAA Round of 32)

Oregon Dana Altman (Final Four)

Utah Larry Krystkowiak (Sweet 16)

AAC

Cinci Mike Cronin (Sweet 16)

Temple Fran Dunphy (NIT Semifinals NCAA round of 32)

WSU Gregg Marshall (Final Four and NIT Champions)



So please tell me again that we aren't accepting mediocrity. And how no one would want to come to Purdue if they let go of Painter.

 

[banshee90]

Opps skipped the SEC

UK John Calipari (National Champions)

Texas A&M Billy Kennedy (Sweet 16)

Arkansas Mike Anderson (Round of 32) *Elite 8 under Mizzou

SCar Frank Martin (Final Four)

 

[Bucket Boy]

Opps skipped the SEC

UK John Calipari (National Champions)

Texas A&M Billy Kennedy (Sweet 16)

Arkansas Mike Anderson (Round of 32) *Elite 8 under Mizzou

SCar Frank Martin (Final Four)

Mike Brey at ND is 13-14 in NCAA games. How many of these coaches took a program that was absolutely putrid( missed tourney 5 of 6 previous seasons) and made tourney 10 of the next 12 years while not cheating. I'm betting you don't have a job and probably live in the basement at your parents house. I would have loved to see what would have happened if we were healthy. That's the third time I've said that in the last 7 or 8 years. It's too bad. Purdue does things the right way and wins at an incredible pace. I wouldn't trade our coach.

 

[BoilerAndy]

So please tell me again that we aren't accepting mediocrity. And how no one would want to come to Purdue if they let go of Painter.

Padding your stats with NIT accomplishments in no way helps your argument.

No offense, but your last sentence sounds exactly like the argument IU fans have been making since RMK left. They are on their 4th coach and they are still miserable.

If you are going to replace a respected and somewhat successful coach who returned a program to respectability, you'd better have a plan.

 

[purduepat1969]

Mike Brey at ND is 13-14 in NCAA games. How many of these coaches took a program that was absolutely putrid( missed tourney 5 of 6 previous seasons) and made tourney 10 of the next 12 years while not cheating. I'm betting you don't have a job and probably live in the basement at your parents house. I would have loved to see what would have happened if we were healthy. That's the third time I've said that in the last 7 or 8 years. It's too bad. Purdue does things the right way and wins at an incredible pace. I wouldn't trade our coach.

Texas Tech - Beard - Made Elite 8 in year 2 after inheriting a putrid program
Michigan - Beilein - too many accomplishments to list since he took over a putrid program at Michigan
Mack - Xavier

I can go on if you'd like. The fact remains that Painter has not developed the depth to counter injuries that happen to every program.

 

[Casey and his Brother]

"If there's one thing a Boilermaker does it sets you up for failure...There's times in your life where you're going to want to give up."

Vincent Edwards says what a lot of us have known about the Purdon't mentality for years.

 

[lottij]

You also skipped Archie Miller from Indiana who has made an elite 8

 

[Cevol03]

Average at best.

Coaches with more tenure than Painter in Major Conferences

ACC
Syracuse Jim Boeheim (NCAA Champion)

Duke Mike Krzyzewski (NCAA Champion)

UND Mike Brey (Elite 8)

FSU Leonard Hamilton (Elite 8)

UNC Roy Williams (NCAA Champion)

Big Ten

MSU Tom Izzo (NCAA Champion)

Big East

Nova Jay Wright (NCAA Champion)

Big 12

KU Bill Self (NCAA Champion)

Baylor Scott Drew (Elite 8 /NIT Champion)

Teams that have settled ND, FSU, and Baylor...

Leonard Hamilton is probably the only coach worse than Painter. Playing in a football state with a school that hired a coach who peaked at the sweet 16... IE They will accept mediocrity.

Coaches hired after Painter but have had more than 5 years coaching.


ACC

UVA Tony Bennet (Elite 8)

Clemson Brad Brownell (S16)

Miami Jim Larranaga (S16/NIT runner up)

Big Ten

UM John Beilein (NCAA Runner Up)

Iowa Fran McCaffery (NIT runner up)

Maryland Mark Turgeon (Sweet 16)

Penn State Patt Chambers (made the NIT lol)

Nebraska Tim Miles (made the tourney lol)

Big East

Xavier Chris Mack (Elite 8)

Creighton Greg McDermott (NIT quarterfinals NCAA Round of 32)

Seton Hall Kevin Willard (NCAA round of 32)

Providence Ed Cooley (NIT quarterfinals NCAA round of 32)

Big 12

WVU Bob Huggins (Final Four)

OU Lon Kruger (Final Four)

KSU Bruce Webber (Elite Eight)

PAC

Arizona Sean Miller (Elite Eight)

Colorado Tad Boyle (NCAA Round of 32)

Oregon Dana Altman (Final Four)

Utah Larry Krystkowiak (Sweet 16)

AAC

Cinci Mike Cronin (Sweet 16)

Temple Fran Dunphy (NIT Semifinals NCAA round of 32)

WSU Gregg Marshall (Final Four and NIT Champions)



So please tell me again that we aren't accepting mediocrity. And how no one would want to come to Purdue if they let go of Painter.

The first half of your list is filled with Hall of Fame coaches. No one on this board is arguing that Painter is a Hall of Fame coach.

The second half of your list contains a multiple coaches that are worse than Painter and some of the accomplishments are very mediocre - not sure what your point is with guys like Chambers, Miles, McCaffrey, Dunphy, Boyle, Cooley, etc. Are you saying that those schools are refusing to accept mediocrity? I would rather have Painter than at least 10 guys on your list.

The bottom line is that if we fired Painter, we would likely be hiring an unproven assistant or a mid-major coach. The odds of one of those guys turning into the next Jay Wright are about 1/500. Usually when you fire a Joe Tiller, you turn around and get a Danny Hope or a Darrell Hazell, not a Nick Saban.

 

[beenhummeled?]

Average at best.

Coaches with more tenure than Painter in Major Conferences

ACC
Syracuse Jim Boeheim (NCAA Champion)

Duke Mike Krzyzewski (NCAA Champion)

UND Mike Brey (Elite 8)

FSU Leonard Hamilton (Elite 8)

UNC Roy Williams (NCAA Champion)

Big Ten

MSU Tom Izzo (NCAA Champion)

Big East

Nova Jay Wright (NCAA Champion)

Big 12

KU Bill Self (NCAA Champion)

Baylor Scott Drew (Elite 8 /NIT Champion)

Teams that have settled ND, FSU, and Baylor...

Leonard Hamilton is probably the only coach worse than Painter. Playing in a football state with a school that hired a coach who peaked at the sweet 16... IE They will accept mediocrity.

Coaches hired after Painter but have had more than 5 years coaching.


ACC

UVA Tony Bennet (Elite 8)

Clemson Brad Brownell (S16)

Miami Jim Larranaga (S16/NIT runner up)

Big Ten

UM John Beilein (NCAA Runner Up)

Iowa Fran McCaffery (NIT runner up)

Maryland Mark Turgeon (Sweet 16)

Penn State Patt Chambers (made the NIT lol)

Nebraska Tim Miles (made the tourney lol)

Big East

Xavier Chris Mack (Elite 8)

Creighton Greg McDermott (NIT quarterfinals NCAA Round of 32)

Seton Hall Kevin Willard (NCAA round of 32)

Providence Ed Cooley (NIT quarterfinals NCAA round of 32)

Big 12

WVU Bob Huggins (Final Four)

OU Lon Kruger (Final Four)

KSU Bruce Webber (Elite Eight)

PAC

Arizona Sean Miller (Elite Eight)

Colorado Tad Boyle (NCAA Round of 32)

Oregon Dana Altman (Final Four)

Utah Larry Krystkowiak (Sweet 16)

AAC

Cinci Mike Cronin (Sweet 16)

Temple Fran Dunphy (NIT Semifinals NCAA round of 32)

WSU Gregg Marshall (Final Four and NIT Champions)



So please tell me again that we aren't accepting mediocrity. And how no one would want to come to Purdue if they let go of Painter.

Ok....so in your expert opinion, who would you want if Painter were let go?

 

[*4purdue*]

I don't need stats... I've been watching the same crap for 13 years. If you hire a coach and he doesn't get you to a FF in the first 6 years, it's probably not going to happen. Lee Rose was here only 2 years and got us there. He was the right coach at the right time for Purdue. It was a mistake for him to leave and for Purdue to let him go. I've seen Purdue in the FF, it can be done, it just takes the right coach at the right time. CMP had his chance.

 

[tjirish44]

Average at best.

Coaches with more tenure than Painter in Major Conferences

ACC
Syracuse Jim Boeheim (NCAA Champion)

Duke Mike Krzyzewski (NCAA Champion)

UND Mike Brey (Elite 8)

FSU Leonard Hamilton (Elite 8)

UNC Roy Williams (NCAA Champion)

Big Ten

MSU Tom Izzo (NCAA Champion)

Big East

Nova Jay Wright (NCAA Champion)

Big 12

KU Bill Self (NCAA Champion)

Baylor Scott Drew (Elite 8 /NIT Champion)

Teams that have settled ND, FSU, and Baylor...

Leonard Hamilton is probably the only coach worse than Painter. Playing in a football state with a school that hired a coach who peaked at the sweet 16... IE They will accept mediocrity.

Coaches hired after Painter but have had more than 5 years coaching.


ACC

UVA Tony Bennet (Elite 8)

Clemson Brad Brownell (S16)

Miami Jim Larranaga (S16/NIT runner up)

Big Ten

UM John Beilein (NCAA Runner Up)

Iowa Fran McCaffery (NIT runner up)

Maryland Mark Turgeon (Sweet 16)

Penn State Patt Chambers (made the NIT lol)

Nebraska Tim Miles (made the tourney lol)

Big East

Xavier Chris Mack (Elite 8)

Creighton Greg McDermott (NIT quarterfinals NCAA Round of 32)

Seton Hall Kevin Willard (NCAA round of 32)

Providence Ed Cooley (NIT quarterfinals NCAA round of 32)

Big 12

WVU Bob Huggins (Final Four)

OU Lon Kruger (Final Four)

KSU Bruce Webber (Elite Eight)

PAC

Arizona Sean Miller (Elite Eight)

Colorado Tad Boyle (NCAA Round of 32)

Oregon Dana Altman (Final Four)

Utah Larry Krystkowiak (Sweet 16)

AAC

Cinci Mike Cronin (Sweet 16)

Temple Fran Dunphy (NIT Semifinals NCAA round of 32)

WSU Gregg Marshall (Final Four and NIT Champions)



So please tell me again that we aren't accepting mediocrity. And how no one would want to come to Purdue if they let go of Painter.[/QUO

Purdue is not accepting mediocrity with Matt Painter as coach. Good players would still go to Purdue if Painter left. Since you are into comparing coaching stats. Please go back and compare Painter's coaching resume with Cuonzo Martin's and Kevin Stallings another candidate for Purdue job when Painter was hired at Purdue.

 

[BoilerAndy]

I don't need stats... I've been watching the same crap for 13 years. If you hire a coach and he doesn't get you to a FF in the first 6 years, it's probably not going to happen. Lee Rose was here only 2 years and got us there. He was the right coach at the right time for Purdue. It was a mistake for him to leave and for Purdue to let him go. I've seen Purdue in the FF, it can be done, it just takes the right coach at the right time. CMP had his chance.

For Rose, right place and right time included inheriting the #1 NBA draft pick. Rose was still a young man when he left Purdue and never came even close to repeating that accomplishment.

Bill Hodges stepped in as head coach for the Indiana State team that lost to M$U in the championship game. He had 2 NBA picks on that team, one of which is still considered one of the greatest ever. Right place at the right time is just luck. It's not something you can put in a plan.

 

[Fan4Life]

Lee Rose was here only 2 years and got us there. He was the right coach at the right time for Purdue.

No offense to Lee Rose (he was a very good coach) but he inherrited one heck of a roster. 2 players that went on to 8+ years in the NBA including the #1 pick overall.

Another poster mentioned that Mack built Xavier. Actually, Mack inherited a pretty good program that Matta and Miller had built. He's done well, but he did not build the program.

I'm extremely frustrated that Purdue is going 38 years without a Final Four. My biggest concern is that Painter puts all of his eggs into developing one team. The Baby Boilers built up to the 2009 & 2010 teams, but Hummel's injuries derailed things. This team built up to culminating in this year's run. Purdue hit a major valley after the BabyBoilers. Hoping that doesn't happen again.

 

[ANDY597]

I think you forgot Alford sweet 16 a couple
Sister Jean final 4
Tubby Smith n c

 

[ANDY597]

You forgot the st. Joes coach

 

[jwkboiler]

I’m so curious of what is going on in someone’s life that they spend that much time doing research to defend Matt F Painter. Are you ok person?

 

[*4purdue*]

No offense to Lee Rose (he was a very good coach) but he inherrited one heck of a roster. 2 players that went on to 8+ years in the NBA including the #1 pick overall.

Another poster mentioned that Mack built Xavier. Actually, Mack inherited a pretty good program that Matta and Miller had built. He's done well, but he did not build the program.

I'm extremely frustrated that Purdue is going 38 years without a Final Four. My biggest concern is that Painter puts all of his eggs into developing one team. The Baby Boilers built up to the 2009 & 2010 teams, but Hummel's injuries derailed things. This team built up to culminating in this year's run. Purdue hit a major valley after the BabyBoilers. Hoping that doesn't happen again.

He did, but he still got us there. I think he would have done really well here had he stayed.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Average at best.

Coaches with more tenure than Painter in Major Conferences

ACC
Syracuse Jim Boeheim (NCAA Champion)

Duke Mike Krzyzewski (NCAA Champion)

UND Mike Brey (Elite 8)

FSU Leonard Hamilton (Elite 8)

UNC Roy Williams (NCAA Champion)

Big Ten

MSU Tom Izzo (NCAA Champion)

Big East

Nova Jay Wright (NCAA Champion)

Big 12

KU Bill Self (NCAA Champion)

Baylor Scott Drew (Elite 8 /NIT Champion)

Teams that have settled ND, FSU, and Baylor...

Leonard Hamilton is probably the only coach worse than Painter. Playing in a football state with a school that hired a coach who peaked at the sweet 16... IE They will accept mediocrity.

Coaches hired after Painter but have had more than 5 years coaching.


ACC

UVA Tony Bennet (Elite 8)

Clemson Brad Brownell (S16)

Miami Jim Larranaga (S16/NIT runner up)

Big Ten

UM John Beilein (NCAA Runner Up)

Iowa Fran McCaffery (NIT runner up)

Maryland Mark Turgeon (Sweet 16)

Penn State Patt Chambers (made the NIT lol)

Nebraska Tim Miles (made the tourney lol)

Big East

Xavier Chris Mack (Elite 8)

Creighton Greg McDermott (NIT quarterfinals NCAA Round of 32)

Seton Hall Kevin Willard (NCAA round of 32)

Providence Ed Cooley (NIT quarterfinals NCAA round of 32)

Big 12

WVU Bob Huggins (Final Four)

OU Lon Kruger (Final Four)

KSU Bruce Webber (Elite Eight)

PAC

Arizona Sean Miller (Elite Eight)

Colorado Tad Boyle (NCAA Round of 32)

Oregon Dana Altman (Final Four)

Utah Larry Krystkowiak (Sweet 16)

AAC

Cinci Mike Cronin (Sweet 16)

Temple Fran Dunphy (NIT Semifinals NCAA round of 32)

WSU Gregg Marshall (Final Four and NIT Champions)



So please tell me again that we aren't accepting mediocrity. And how no one would want to come to Purdue if they let go of Painter.

Has Scott Drew been there that long? That seems long, but interesting.

 

[mathboy]

The OP brought up some good statistics. I note that Jay Wright is in his list. Wasn't he the Nova coach for some time? I think he never got past the sweet sixteen... until he won the NC. His fans used to post about his "ceiling" IIRC. Then there is Izzo, with a roster full of NBA talent and nothing to show for it. Not even a S16.

So, how many NBA stars were on our team?

 

[RegionWarrior101]

The OP brought up some good statistics. I note that Jay Wright is in his list. Wasn't he the Nova coach for some time? I think he never got past the sweet sixteen... until he won the NC. His fans used to post about his "ceiling" IIRC. Then there is Izzo, with a roster full of NBA talent and nothing to show for it. Not even a S16.

So, how many NBA stars were on our team?

Maybe 1. When we have NBA players it is the same basic result. Biggie, Moore, etc.

 

[mathboy]

Maybe 1. When we have NBA players it is the same basic result. Biggie, Moore, etc.

Who would that NBA star be? I don't think Haas is going to be a star in the league. He might play a bit. Who else?

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Who would that NBA star be? I don't think Haas is going to be a star in the league. He might play a bit. Who else?

Carsen Edwards

 

[mathboy]

Carsen Edwards

I doubt it, but hey, it is just my perspective. Carsen is a good player at the college level, but is too short for the NBA. He seems fast for the college game, but everybody in the NBA is as fast, but taller. I think he will have a long and profitable career in the Euro leagues.

 

[SIhoosier26]

The OP brought up some good statistics. I note that Jay Wright is in his list. Wasn't he the Nova coach for some time? I think he never got past the sweet sixteen... until he won the NC. His fans used to post about his "ceiling" IIRC. Then there is Izzo, with a roster full of NBA talent and nothing to show for it. Not even a S16.

So, how many NBA stars were on our team?

Jay wright was in the final four in 2009

 

[tjirish44]

I don't need stats... I've been watching the same crap for 13 years. If you hire a coach and he doesn't get you to a FF in the first 6 years, it's probably not going to happen. Lee Rose was here only 2 years and got us there. He was the right coach at the right time for Purdue. It was a mistake for him to leave and for Purdue to let him go. I've seen Purdue in the FF, it can be done, it just takes the right coach at the right time. CMP had his chance.

You don't seem to GET that the tourney is a lottery and the chances to get to the Final 4 are very small for most teams excluding these 5 blue blood teams who some are now on record by the FBI of questionable activity.

Once again if you make the tournament you have had a good season. So I have to go all the way back to Painter taking over for Keady in 2005-2006. First year bad team that tried.

2007 - Beats favored Arizona as 9 seed. Loses in a hard fought game to 1 seed Florida defending and eventual champion.
2008 Beats Baylor loses to an experienced Xavier higher seeded team that had blown a 16 point lead against Ohio St year before.
2009 Wins BTT beats PAC champ Wash in Seatte which was like a road game to get to Sweet 16. Loses to 1 seed UConn a now under NCAA Inveg school.
2010 Loses to 1 seed Duke in Sweet 16. Second Sweet 16 in a roll. Loses Robbie Hummel late. Would have been a 1 seed.
2011 Upset in 2nd rd. Upset by 11 seed VCU who went all way to Final 4. Legit complaint about that year. Team fell off late. I believe locker issues with Painter making and admitting a mistake by keeping what's his name before releasing him.
2012 Loses in second rd to 2 Seed Kansas late in close game. Kansas loses to Kentucky in Finals.
2013-2014 Painter admits recruiting errors. Misses tournament. Says he will fix the issue. Has to basically start from scratch with roster turnover etc.. I myself stated on this board if he did not turn it around. He should be fired.
2015 Painter brings in the 4 seniors who just finished their careers. Does turn program around. Loses as 8 seed to 9 seed in OT after a young team lost a 7 point lead with less then minute to play. Current Senior class involved.
2016 Upset as 5 seed to 12 seed with what 12 point lead with 4 mins to go in reg. Loses in Double OT. That Little Rock team had Chris Beard as coach and he used that game to get the Texas Tech job. Little Rock hit some tough shots in that game to win. Current Senior class involved.
2017 Wins reg season Big 10. Makes sweet 16 with Swanigan improved and player of year candidate. Loses to 1 seed Kansas who was playing in Kansas City. Current Senior class involved.
2018 Makes sweet 16 again back to back. Loses key player Haas. Loses to 3 seed Texas Tech. Current Senior class involved. If Swanigan has came back. Who knows how good they would have been.

I had Purdue losing to Villanova even with Haas healthy.

NOW lets look at the tournament under Painter. From 2007 to 2012. Purdue had a streak that Butler now owns of winning 1st rd games. Made 2 sweet 16's losing key player Hummel and losing both sweet 16's to #1 seeds. 2011 is where Painter haters started to emerge. But Hummel went down twice 2010-2011 in that timeline. Hard mentally.

2013-2014 is where the Painter haters came out and are still around today.

2015 - 2018 Purdue lost in first rd twice blowing leads 15 & 16. Which if you look around the tourney happens alot. I think 30 sec shot clock change has something do with it. 2017 wins Big 10 loses in sweet 16 to 1 seed Kansas. 2018 loses Haas in 1st rd loses to 3 seed Texas Tech.

Now Painter's resume in tournament is out of the 4 Sweet 16 appearances. He lost 3 to #1 Seeds and a 3 Seed. In 2 of those Sweet 16's Painter was missing a key player in Hummel and Haas.

So unfortunately I don't call it a curse. But injuries happen. Painter does not have the kind of program that has talent to recover from a key injury. Second of all the tourney is partly based on how brackets open up. I imagine Kansas St fans are pretty upset right now. Even Kentucky fans watching Loyola cut down the nets. But Purdue has never been given a gift in their bracket like that the whole time Painter has coached at Purdue. Keady got that in 2000 and lost to 8 seed Wisky in Elite 8. Go betch at Keady.

This brings me to my last point. I have not seen a coach fired for making the NCAA tournament. I have seen Coaches leave schools for other schools. Run out by frustrated fan bases. Tom Crean was fired for not making the NCAA tournament 2 years in a roll.

Painter has a new challenge losing the 4 Seniors. HIs buyout is like $9 mil. Painter is not going anywhere nor should he be... BUT he has a new challenge with a new group of players surrounding Carsen, Nojel and Haarns. If Painter can get the team in the tourney even as the final 68th team next year. Shows you what a good coach he is... The ceiling in 2019 is making the tournament. You ask coaches around the country about Painter and they will tell you he is a good coach. Brad Stephens has stated publicly his positive views on Painter as a coach. It's frustrating to lose but arguing Painter should leave is just a silly knee jerk response right now.

 

[BoilerBiker]

You don't seem to GET that the tourney is a lottery and the chances to get to the Final 4 are very small for most teams excluding these 5 blue blood teams who some are now on record by the FBI of questionable activity.

Once again if you make the tournament you have had a good season.

- the big ten typically gets about half the conference selected in the tourney (during painters tenure, avg of 6)

- the tourney is a lottery... but the better seeds have more "lotto balls", and a corresponding greater probability of advancing (seen historically).

- since tourney expansion to 64 teams... 45 different schools have reached the final four.
2 times: 27 schools
3 times: 19
4 times: 12
5 times: 8
7 times: 5
8 times: 4
10+ times: 2

 

[typeviic]

I don't need stats... I've been watching the same crap for 13 years. If you hire a coach and he doesn't get you to a FF in the first 6 years, it's probably not going to happen. Lee Rose was here only 2 years and got us there. He was the right coach at the right time for Purdue. It was a mistake for him to leave and for Purdue to let him go. I've seen Purdue in the FF, it can be done, it just takes the right coach at the right time. CMP had his chance.

More than just the right coach, but an offense that attracts athletes. We just got beat by a team from a football state that had an entire roster of athletes that are all 3-star rated and down. The 1970's weak-motion offense does not attract athletes. It is old, tired, boring and has run its coarse.

 

[PU pit bull]

When PU was healthy and rolling this year, no one could have beaten them...........including a team full of athletes.

 

[ss32000]

When PU was healthy and rolling this year, no one could have beaten them...........including a team full of athletes.

You really believe that in January that Villanova or Duke couldn’t beat Purdue? When Purdue could take over the #1 ranking in the country, they blew a big lead at home to Ohio State. Was Purdue rolling because the Big Ten was not very good?

 

[mathboy]

You really believe that in January that Villanova or Duke couldn’t beat Purdue? When Purdue could take over the #1 ranking in the country, they blew a big lead at home to Ohio State. Was Purdue rolling because the Big Ten was not very good?

Duke had trouble getting out of it's own way in December & January. It is very likely that Purdue could have beaten them back then. Nova was good right from the start, so I would have my doubts about beating them.

As for athletes... TT played a simple game because they had the personnel to do it. Without Haas in the middle as a scoring threat, they could chase our 3-point shooters off the arc. Did you not watch the game? Without Haas, we are not going to compete well with a team that has quick guards and knows how to defend (TT is #3 defensive team), right?

 

[beenhummeled?]

I don't need stats... I've been watching the same crap for 13 years. If you hire a coach and he doesn't get you to a FF in the first 6 years, it's probably not going to happen. Lee Rose was here only 2 years and got us there. He was the right coach at the right time for Purdue. It was a mistake for him to leave and for Purdue to let him go. I've seen Purdue in the FF, it can be done, it just takes the right coach at the right time. CMP had his chance.

I will ask again to all you Painter haters. If not Painter, then who? Someone answer the flipping question.

 

[typeviic]

I will ask again to all you Painter haters. If not Painter, then who? Someone answer the flipping question.

Again, its not CMP. Its his old-school, 1970's weave motion offense. It does not attract athletic guards who can create their own shot.
The days of the tall post, surrounded by non-athletic (not Carson) jump shooters are over.
TT, from a football state nonetheless, has a team full of them. All 3-star and down. No blue chippers, no McDonald AA...............

 

[beenhummeled?]

Again, its not CMP. Its his old-school, 1970's weave motion offense. It does not attract athletic guards who can create their own shot.
The days of the tall post, surrounded by non-athletic (not Carson) jump shooters are over.
TT, from a football state nonetheless, has a team full of them. All 3-star and down. No blue chippers, no McDonald AA...............

Ok. So who do you want? He is who is. How did he attract Carsen if he doesn't attract athletic guards?

 

[RegionWarrior101]

When PU was healthy and rolling this year, no one could have beaten them...........including a team full of athletes.

Were they healthy vs Tennessee, Western Kentucky, Ohio State, Michigan State, and Michigan in the BTT?

 

[typeviic]

Ok. So who do you want? He is who is. How did he attract Carsen if he doesn't attract athletic guards?

my point exactly, only 1 athlete

 

[northside100]

Were they healthy vs Tennessee, Western Kentucky, Ohio State, Michigan State, and Michigan in the BTT?

They were not healthy vs OSU, MSU or UM in the tourney. Did you follow this season at all?

 

[northside100]

You don't seem to GET that the tourney is a lottery and the chances to get to the Final 4 are very small for most teams excluding these 5 blue blood teams who some are now on record by the FBI of questionable activity.

Once again if you make the tournament you have had a good season. So I have to go all the way back to Painter taking over for Keady in 2005-2006. First year bad team that tried.

2007 - Beats favored Arizona as 9 seed. Loses in a hard fought game to 1 seed Florida defending and eventual champion.
2008 Beats Baylor loses to an experienced Xavier higher seeded team that had blown a 16 point lead against Ohio St year before.
2009 Wins BTT beats PAC champ Wash in Seatte which was like a road game to get to Sweet 16. Loses to 1 seed UConn a now under NCAA Inveg school.
2010 Loses to 1 seed Duke in Sweet 16. Second Sweet 16 in a roll. Loses Robbie Hummel late. Would have been a 1 seed.
2011 Upset in 2nd rd. Upset by 11 seed VCU who went all way to Final 4. Legit complaint about that year. Team fell off late. I believe locker issues with Painter making and admitting a mistake by keeping what's his name before releasing him.
2012 Loses in second rd to 2 Seed Kansas late in close game. Kansas loses to Kentucky in Finals.
2013-2014 Painter admits recruiting errors. Misses tournament. Says he will fix the issue. Has to basically start from scratch with roster turnover etc.. I myself stated on this board if he did not turn it around. He should be fired.
2015 Painter brings in the 4 seniors who just finished their careers. Does turn program around. Loses as 8 seed to 9 seed in OT after a young team lost a 7 point lead with less then minute to play. Current Senior class involved.
2016 Upset as 5 seed to 12 seed with what 12 point lead with 4 mins to go in reg. Loses in Double OT. That Little Rock team had Chris Beard as coach and he used that game to get the Texas Tech job. Little Rock hit some tough shots in that game to win. Current Senior class involved.
2017 Wins reg season Big 10. Makes sweet 16 with Swanigan improved and player of year candidate. Loses to 1 seed Kansas who was playing in Kansas City. Current Senior class involved.
2018 Makes sweet 16 again back to back. Loses key player Haas. Loses to 3 seed Texas Tech. Current Senior class involved. If Swanigan has came back. Who knows how good they would have been.

I had Purdue losing to Villanova even with Haas healthy.

NOW lets look at the tournament under Painter. From 2007 to 2012. Purdue had a streak that Butler now owns of winning 1st rd games. Made 2 sweet 16's losing key player Hummel and losing both sweet 16's to #1 seeds. 2011 is where Painter haters started to emerge. But Hummel went down twice 2010-2011 in that timeline. Hard mentally.

2013-2014 is where the Painter haters came out and are still around today.

2015 - 2018 Purdue lost in first rd twice blowing leads 15 & 16. Which if you look around the tourney happens alot. I think 30 sec shot clock change has something do with it. 2017 wins Big 10 loses in sweet 16 to 1 seed Kansas. 2018 loses Haas in 1st rd loses to 3 seed Texas Tech.

Now Painter's resume in tournament is out of the 4 Sweet 16 appearances. He lost 3 to #1 Seeds and a 3 Seed. In 2 of those Sweet 16's Painter was missing a key player in Hummel and Haas.

So unfortunately I don't call it a curse. But injuries happen. Painter does not have the kind of program that has talent to recover from a key injury. Second of all the tourney is partly based on how brackets open up. I imagine Kansas St fans are pretty upset right now. Even Kentucky fans watching Loyola cut down the nets. But Purdue has never been given a gift in their bracket like that the whole time Painter has coached at Purdue. Keady got that in 2000 and lost to 8 seed Wisky in Elite 8. Go betch at Keady.

This brings me to my last point. I have not seen a coach fired for making the NCAA tournament. I have seen Coaches leave schools for other schools. Run out by frustrated fan bases. Tom Crean was fired for not making the NCAA tournament 2 years in a roll.

Painter has a new challenge losing the 4 Seniors. HIs buyout is like $9 mil. Painter is not going anywhere nor should he be... BUT he has a new challenge with a new group of players surrounding Carsen, Nojel and Haarns. If Painter can get the team in the tourney even as the final 68th team next year. Shows you what a good coach he is... The ceiling in 2019 is making the tournament. You ask coaches around the country about Painter and they will tell you he is a good coach. Brad Stephens has stated publicly his positive views on Painter as a coach. It's frustrating to lose but arguing Painter should leave is just a silly knee jerk response right now.

TJ you should post this as it’s own thread, it’s an excellent post.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

They were not healthy vs OSU, MSU or UM in the tourney. Did you follow this season at all?

They had the full roster. Vince played horse crap defense and Painter pulled him vs UM. Dakota was "sick" against OSU/MSU? Or was it Vince? They must have had the same thing Friday with that 1-8 performance for the "Cowboy". He couldn't have been "100%"

 

[Cevol03]

I will ask again to all you Painter haters. If not Painter, then who? Someone answer the flipping question.

None of the folks who want Painter gone will answer that question because they know it will end poorly for them. Either they will list coaches who are completely unattainable or unproven coaches that would not justify firing a coach of Painter's caliber.

 

[beenhummeled?]

my point exactly, only 1 athlete

So again. Who do you want as coach that will be better than Painter?