Assuming Hartman is out, alarming stats for IU regarding off season losses.

[Ryneforpresident]

Ok, I am quite sure some of you may remember me as I always weighed in on the glass is half full group. I had the day off today so I thought I would educate myself on some factual data (stats). When Hartman was injured in the non contact drill and subsequently had surgery, I got to thinking how many nice roll players IU had last year with He, Zeiloft and Beifelt(sp?). As well as stars like Yogi and Troy. With the losses of these players I discovered some interesting stats.

1. IU Lost 60.1 % of minutes played
2. Lost 67.6% of assists
3. Lost 48.7% of rebounds
4. Lost 66.1% of made 3's
5. Lost 58.9% of steals
6. Lost 60.8% of total points.

There are a couple of asterisks to this. Obviously if Blackmon can play injury free and pick up his defense. That could offset some of the points loss there. But as many of my IU friends pointed out last year, once the ball went to Blackmon. It almost always resulted in a shot attempt. I also heard and read comments that IU actually came together as a team once he was injured. I wish the young man well of course.

For comparison sake:
1. Purdue lost 38.4% of Minutes played
2. Lost 33.9% of assists
3. Lost 37.5% of rebounds
4. Lost 29.4% of made 3's
5. Lost 45.5% of steals
6. Lost 37.8% of points

My conclusion is that IU will struggle to find chemistry and coach Crean will barely finish above .500 in conference. 10-8 maybe. While losing Hammons effects our defense, I think our improved chemistry on top of improved shooting will get us at or near the top of the conference. Let's hope for no injuries going forward for either team. Let the games begin

 

[Roeder]

Peegsters logging back into Rivals to troll in 3,2,1.......

All kidding aside, this is a fun topic to talk about. Bottom line, IU will miss Yogi a ton. The Pitt Transfer and any new freshman will not be able to match his leadership and production at PG. On the other hand, Bryant and OG were playing really well at end of year, so if those guys continue their development IU will have some really talented pieces. It all comes down to chemistry......

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Rivalry aside, hate to see anyone get injured. Those who have followed Purdue over the years know how tough that can be.

Hope Hartman can recover quickly and get back on the court to resume his collegiate career.

Hard to predict Indiana this year with some of the changes, but they still have some talented pieces....and I expect Purdue's two clashes with them this year to be tough games, as usual.

 

[B1GBBFan]

Tough seeing young adults go down to injury like this. Hopefully he has successful surgery and recovers quickly.

Yogi was a big part of their run to the Big Ten title last season. I wouldn't be surprised to see them struggle in the early out of conference season while players figure out their role and gaining experience playing together. They have some talented players entering the program and a few returning. I wouldn't be surprised if they come together later in the out of conference season and grow as a team. They seem to go to players in the post and at guard. If their role players do their job and allow their stars to do their thing they should be a top 10 to 15 team and challenge for the Big Ten title again.

 

[GoatStatus]

Ok, I am quite sure some of you may remember me as I always weighed in on the glass is half full group. I had the day off today so I thought I would educate myself on some factual data (stats). When Hartman was injured in the non contact drill and subsequently had surgery, I got to thinking how many nice roll players IU had last year with He, Zeiloft and Beifelt(sp?). As well as stars like Yogi and Troy. With the losses of these players I discovered some interesting stats.

1. IU Lost 60.1 % of minutes played
2. Lost 67.6% of assists
3. Lost 48.7% of rebounds
4. Lost 66.1% of made 3's
5. Lost 58.9% of steals
6. Lost 60.8% of total points.

There are a couple of asterisks to this. Obviously if Blackmon can play injury free and pick up his defense. That could offset some of the points loss there. But as many of my IU friends pointed out last year, once the ball went to Blackmon. It almost always resulted in a shot attempt. I also heard and read comments that IU actually came together as a team once he was injured. I wish the young man well of course.

For comparison sake:
1. Purdue lost 38.4% of Minutes played
2. Lost 33.9% of assists
3. Lost 37.5% of rebounds
4. Lost 29.4% of made 3's
5. Lost 45.5% of steals
6. Lost 37.8% of points

My conclusion is that IU will struggle to find chemistry and coach Crean will barely finish above .500 in conference. 10-8 maybe. While losing Hammons effects our defense, I think our improved chemistry on top of improved shooting will get us at or near the top of the conference. Let's hope for no injuries going forward for either team. Let the games begin

IU will finish way above .500 in Big play. Troy Williams is the best case I can think of on addition by subtraction. They are a deep team and losing Yogi will hurt but they have a surplus of quality guards.

 

[GoatStatus]

Yogi is/was great but often dribbled the air out of the ball. IU will not be winning any championships this year but they will be very competitive.

 

[GoatStatus]

Also I don't think Purdue's defense will change much. We lost Hammons which hurts but he was to blocking bad shots as Isaac Haas is to forcing them. Haas won't block too many shots but he is nearly impossible to shoot over. Swanigan will also be a more capable defender this year.

 

[cprh9u]

IU will finish way above .500 in Big play. Troy Williams is the best case I can think of on addition by subtraction. They are a deep team and losing Yogi will hurt but they have a surplus of quality guards.

Which must be nice. Williams, Bryant, OG, a top 35 kid, a top 70 SG, a solid PG transfer from Pitt and Blackmon returning to a team that will need perimeter scoring with the loss of Yogi could translate into a top 10 team. I agree with the comment above, they will "struggle" early (depending on their schedule... no idea who they play) and will need time to gel. If Blackmon has learned to put forth some effort on D and play team ball, they should be a top tier team.

 

[Heller]

Which must be nice. Williams, Bryant, OG, a top 35 kid, a top 70 SG, a solid PG transfer from Pitt and Blackmon returning to a team that will need perimeter scoring with the loss of Yogi could translate into a top 10 team. I agree with the comment above, they will "struggle" early (depending on their schedule... no idea who they play) and will need time to gel. If Blackmon has learned to put forth some effort on D and play team ball, they should be a top tier team.

IU early schedule is fairly weak. Hartman will likely not return.

 

[Statey]

Ok, I am quite sure some of you may remember me as I always weighed in on the glass is half full group. I had the day off today so I thought I would educate myself on some factual data (stats). When Hartman was injured in the non contact drill and subsequently had surgery, I got to thinking how many nice roll players IU had last year with He, Zeiloft and Beifelt(sp?). As well as stars like Yogi and Troy. With the losses of these players I discovered some interesting stats.

1. IU Lost 60.1 % of minutes played
2. Lost 67.6% of assists
3. Lost 48.7% of rebounds
4. Lost 66.1% of made 3's
5. Lost 58.9% of steals
6. Lost 60.8% of total points.

There are a couple of asterisks to this. Obviously if Blackmon can play injury free and pick up his defense. That could offset some of the points loss there. But as many of my IU friends pointed out last year, once the ball went to Blackmon. It almost always resulted in a shot attempt. I also heard and read comments that IU actually came together as a team once he was injured. I wish the young man well of course.

For comparison sake:
1. Purdue lost 38.4% of Minutes played
2. Lost 33.9% of assists
3. Lost 37.5% of rebounds
4. Lost 29.4% of made 3's
5. Lost 45.5% of steals
6. Lost 37.8% of points

My conclusion is that IU will struggle to find chemistry and coach Crean will barely finish above .500 in conference. 10-8 maybe. While losing Hammons effects our defense, I think our improved chemistry on top of improved shooting will get us at or near the top of the conference. Let's hope for no injuries going forward for either team. Let the games begin

That's an interesting comparison. IU definitely has a lot of production to replace and seems like a tall order, short of their freshman being an immediate impact. Hope Hartman recovers well; hate seeing injuries, especially to Indiana kids that play around Indy that I watch and read about during the HS season.

 

[burbo]

There's a thread on the IU rivals premie for the last couple of days about how much Purdue lost from last season and no way can we be better than IU this year. Most posters are pretty complimentary of the front line, but don't think Purdue's guards will get the job done, maybe a 4-5th place finish at best.

 

[Hoogolf]

IU early schedule is fairly weak. Hartman will likely not return.

Kansas, unc, Louisville & butler is weak? Interesting concept. That's 4 of the top 15 rated games by nbc for the preseason. Granted the other 9 suck... But not many have 4 of those slated in the preseason.

 

[Heller]

Kansas, unc, Louisville & butler is weak? Interesting concept. That's 4 of the top 15 rated games by nbc for the preseason. Granted the other 9 suck... But not many have 4 of those slated in the preseason.

Read your own friggin board. Lots of fans are upset about playing a bunch of schools in the high 200's and 300 range. And yes, four top games out of 13 is weak.

 

[GoatStatus]

Which must be nice. Williams, Bryant, OG, a top 35 kid, a top 70 SG, a solid PG transfer from Pitt and Blackmon returning to a team that will need perimeter scoring with the loss of Yogi could translate into a top 10 team. I agree with the comment above, they will "struggle" early (depending on their schedule... no idea who they play) and will need time to gel. If Blackmon has learned to put forth some effort on D and play team ball, they should be a top tier team.

Yes I guess it just depends on the definition of struggle. They'll be a good team though.

 

[GoatStatus]

Read your own friggin board. Lots of fans are upset about playing a bunch of schools in the high 200's and 300 range. And yes, four top games out of 13 is weak.

Playing Kansas and UNC alone would make their schedule decent. Every team plays cupcakes early and yes they may play 200s but regardless of whether they play 100s or 200s the outcome should still be a win. Only difference is instead of winning by 20 they'll win by 30.

 

[Hoogolf]

Read your own friggin board. Lots of fans are upset about playing a bunch of schools in the high 200's and 300 range. And yes, four top games out of 13 is weak.

Lol... No, I'll read whatever I want as I like to keep an open mind. I see you on peegs, maybe you should take your own advice. I don't live in a vacuum like you.

Did I not say the other 9 sucked? Yes, I did. 4 of the top 15 games would disagree that's it's "fairly weak". Sorry if you hate it when someone corrects your blind statement. How would you rate PU's then? PU best game was ranked #20....

 

[Dryfly88]

Which must be nice. Williams, Bryant, OG, a top 35 kid, a top 70 SG, a solid PG transfer from Pitt and Blackmon returning to a team that will need perimeter scoring with the loss of Yogi could translate into a top 10 team. I agree with the comment above, they will "struggle" early (depending on their schedule... no idea who they play) and will need time to gel. If Blackmon has learned to put forth some effort on D and play team ball, they should be a top tier team.

Who is this Williams that is returning for them?

 

[B1GBBFan]

Which must be nice. Williams, Bryant, OG, a top 35 kid, a top 70 SG, a solid PG transfer from Pitt and Blackmon returning to a team that will need perimeter scoring with the loss of Yogi could translate into a top 10 team. I agree with the comment above, they will "struggle" early (depending on their schedule... no idea who they play) and will need time to gel. If Blackmon has learned to put forth some effort on D and play team ball, they should be a top tier team.

The problem with Indiana and the surplus of guards is Crean is more comfortable with a three guard lineup, a stretch four, and a big. It will be interesting to see where they give the minutes at the three. I could see the good teams (KU, UNC, Butler, and UL) in their out of conference schedule giving them fits if they play a lot of three guard lineups.

The big issue with Indiana's offense last season was the Blackmon and Yogi "get mine" early with neither of them really wanting to guard on the other end. Blackmon fits much better with Yogi gone. However, if they don't defend they'll struggle.

 

[Heller]

Lol... No, I'll read whatever I want as I like to keep an open mind. I see you on peegs, maybe you should take your own advice. I don't live in a vacuum like you.

Did I not say the other 9 sucked? Yes, I did. 4 of the top 15 games would disagree that's it's "fairly weak". Sorry if you hate it when someone corrects your blind statement. How would you rate PU's then? PU best game was ranked #20....

Dear Hoo, the point was your own fans were upset over the weakness of IU's schedule early.

 

[Statey]

The big issue with Indiana's offense last season was the Blackmon and Yogi "get mine" early with neither of them really wanting to guard on the other end. Blackmon fits much better with Yogi gone. However, if they don't defend they'll struggle.

Yogi was easily IU's best defender last year. In fact, if you watched any of their games, you'd know that his improved defense was one of the more talked about elements to his game. I guess it's debatelable whether he played with a "get mine" approach, but he certainly shot a good percentage doing it.

Also, if ANY team doesn't defend, they'll struggle. That isn't unique to IU.

 

[meenie]

Blackmon is a cancer. He will never learn to play D. Any team he has been on has never done a thing.

 

[B1GBBFan]

Yogi was easily IU's best defender last year. In fact, if you watched any of their games, you'd know that his improved defense was one of the more talked about elements to his game. I guess it's debatelable whether he played with a "get mine" approach, but he certainly shot a good percentage doing it.

Also, if ANY team doesn't defend, they'll struggle. That isn't unique to IU.

IU struggled early because Yogi and Blackmon took turns trying to get theirs and neither one defended. The dynamics changed when Blackmon went down. Yogi stepped up and actually defended. The ball made its way into the post.

That is true, I should have stated with this team in particular. I don't think they're built to outscore teams like they've attempted to in the past. I don't see a team full of shooters that can light it up from deep.

 

[cprh9u]

Blackmon is a cancer. He will never learn to play D. Any team he has been on has never done a thing.

Maybe, but he's played what, 1 year and a few games of his sophomore year?

 

[cprh9u]

Who is this Williams that is returning for them?

Meh, Johnson, whoever. Still plenty of talent returning and joining to make a top tier team.

 

[Hoogolf]

Dear Hoo, the point was your own fans were upset over the weakness of IU's schedule early.

My bad.. I took it as get off gbi. I get what you're saying now. Tho most posters on peegs believe it's more about seeding, which is true. Those four games will play a major factor in seeding. Lose 3 of 4 and their march seeding will hurt... if they win 3 of 4, it will help their seeding.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

IU struggled early because Yogi and Blackmon took turns trying to get theirs and neither one defended. The dynamics changed when Blackmon went down. Yogi stepped up and actually defended. The ball made its way into the post.

That is true, I should have stated with this team in particular. I don't think they're built to outscore teams like they've attempted to in the past. I don't see a team full of shooters that can light it up from deep.

Yogi and Blackmon didn't get along....Yogi wouldn't share the ball when Blackmon was playing. Rumors aside, I'm very surprised that JBJ game back to IU this year and asking him to play D is like asking Crean to discipline kids for smoking weed.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Yogi was easily IU's best defender last year. In fact, if you watched any of their games, you'd know that his improved defense was one of the more talked about elements to his game. I guess it's debatelable whether he played with a "get mine" approach, but he certainly shot a good percentage doing it.

Also, if ANY team doesn't defend, they'll struggle. That isn't unique to IU.

Yogi was a better defender than OG Anunoby? Not when I was watching them.

 

[Hoogolf]

Yogi was a better defender than OG Anunoby? Not when I was watching them.

OG not only guarded the other team's best scorer, he typically guard perimeter scorers. I do agree Yogi's D improved, but OG was the team's best defender.

 

[nagemj02]

OG not only guarded the other team's best scorer, he typically guard perimeter scorers. I do agree Yogi's D improved, but OG was the team's best defender.

Anunoby better be really good this season or else he will get railed on by the IU faithful all season long and afterwards. I don't think I've ever seen as much preseason hype for a guy that wasn't really a blue-chip recruit or a big minutes player in his freshman campaign (other than maybe James Michael McAdoo from UNC; Anunoby averaged just under 5 PPG, approx. 2.5 RPG, and just under 14 MPG last season) than what I've seen for Anunoby.

 

[Statey]

Yogi and Blackmon didn't get along....Yogi wouldn't share the ball when Blackmon was playing. Rumors aside, I'm very surprised that JBJ game back to IU this year and asking him to play D is like asking Crean to discipline kids for smoking weed.

This has to be your 100th post about Blackmon. You've talked about these rumors going on 2 years now. After he decommited, you swore it was because of Crean and that he'd never play for him. You floated ideas of him transferring every other week, both during the season and during the off-season. You've told us all how his dad despises Crean for how Blackmon was utilized in the offense. You're still talking him and Yogi not getting along, shocked that he hasn't found a new school, etc. Your love-to-hate fascination with all things Blackmon is astounding. He was a volume shot taker and scorer in high school and isn't a good defender and probably never will be. No one disagrees, but all this other stuff you're hung up on seems unhealthy.

 

[Hoogolf]

Anunoby better be really good this season or else he will get railed on by the IU faithful all season long and afterwards. I don't think I've ever seen as much preseason hype for a guy that wasn't really a blue-chip recruit or a big minutes player in his freshman campaign (other than maybe James Michael McAdoo from UNC; Anunoby averaged just under 5 PPG, approx. 2.5 RPG, and just under 14 MPG last season) than what I've seen for Anunoby.

I agree to the point of the hype. The kid was a really good role player, but kind of shined late in the season, so he has a lot to prove. The Hype is coming from the NBA mock draft, which currently he's being listed in the top 20. The most recent mock had him at #17 for this draft. That's why there is hype. One more thing, by mid B10, he was playing close to 20+ minutes a game... He played just a few minutes per game in the preseason, so his avg is much lower than his actual minutes late in the year... Which is when it counts. But I get what you are saying.... Crazy IU fans can be ruthless.

 

[Statey]

OG not only guarded the other team's best scorer, he typically guard perimeter scorers. I do agree Yogi's D improved, but OG was the team's best defender.

Fair enough, but I would point out Yogi did it for 30 mins/game though, compared to 10-15/game (?) from OG.

 

[Hoogolf]

Fair enough, but I would point out Yogi did it for 30 mins/game though, compared to 10-15/game (?) from OG.

Well, true, but maybe Crean should have played OG more minutes... Like he did the last 10 games in the season. Minutes don't define how well you defend.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Anunoby better be really good this season or else he will get railed on by the IU faithful all season long and afterwards. I don't think I've ever seen as much preseason hype for a guy that wasn't really a blue-chip recruit or a big minutes player in his freshman campaign (other than maybe James Michael McAdoo from UNC; Anunoby averaged just under 5 PPG, approx. 2.5 RPG, and just under 14 MPG last season) than what I've seen for Anunoby.

I think that per game averages can be very misleading. They never told the whole story with Chris Kramer and I don't think they tell the whole story in OG's case, either.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

This has to be your 100th post about Blackmon. You've talked about these rumors going on 2 years now. After he decommited, you swore it was because of Crean and that he'd never play for him. You floated ideas of him transferring every other week, both during the season and during the off-season. You've told us all how his dad despises Crean for how Blackmon was utilized in the offense. You're still talking him and Yogi not getting along, shocked that he hasn't found a new school, etc. Your love-to-hate fascination with all things Blackmon is astounding. He was a volume shot taker and scorer in high school and isn't a good defender and probably never will be. No one disagrees, but all this other stuff you're hung up on seems unhealthy.

Wow, such an imagination from an IU guy. Ten minutes before he announced for IU, he was going to UK but chose IU because that's where his mom wanted him to go. I don't hate JBJ, and blame his lack of defense on his dad, who created the offense to showcase Junior's shooting. He did consider transferring, he and Yogi didn't get along, and he became frustrated with the way he was being used/showcased. As for him finding a new school, who's going to take an injury prone shooting guard who has never had to play a lick of defense? Wabash? Grace? Tiffen University? I doubt he had many choices to transfer to.

 

[Statey]

Wow, such an imagination from an IU guy.

Ha. This quote is so Trump-esque. YOU are a former IU guy that is a Purdue fan in large part because IU pissed you off with their handling of Knight's firing, the hiring of Davis and Sampson, and now your dislike of Crean.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Ha. This quote is so Trump-esque. YOU are a former IU guy that is a Purdue fan in large part because IU pissed you off with their handling of Knight's firing, the hiring of Davis and Sampson, and now your dislike of Crean.

More than any of that, I learned that Painter runs a clean program, doesn't shelter druggies, and makes no false claims to a direct connection to God as Crean does. Boiler up IU boy and yes....there is a Trump sign in the yard.

 

[Ryneforpresident]

More than any of that, I learned that Painter runs a clean program, doesn't shelter druggies, and makes no false claims to a direct connection to God as Crean does. Boiler up IU boy and yes....there is a Trump sign in the yard.

 

[Statey]

More than any of that, I learned that Painter runs a clean program, doesn't shelter druggies, and makes no false claims to a direct connection to God as Crean does. Boiler up IU boy and yes....there is a Trump sign in the yard.

Uh, I admire the way Painter runs the program as well. I think everyone here does. Not sure why you seem to be getting aggressive with me about it...

Just to recap:

• I pointed out that you have on countless occasions posted some combination of rumors, opinions, or your inside info regarding Blackmon, with a good deal of it tied to him never making it to IU or him leaving IU once he got there (none of which ever materialized, by the way).
• You responded: "wow, such an imagination from an IU guy", which left me more than a little confused; we both know none of that was imagined.
  
• I pointed out that it's actually you who is a former IU guy that flip flopped to Purdue because you didn't like what became of the post-Knight IU, so the comment seems especially strange coming from you.
  
• You responded that you like Painter for all the same reasons the rest of us do and again called me an "IU boy", which again make no sense.

The Trump sign in your yard actually makes perfect sense. The above is precisely how conversations generally go with that guy, deviating from the subject matter and often accusing other people of being things he himself is (racist, birth certificate conspirator, etc). May God save your soul in November.

Mods: This will be the last of my political comments on this board; I know they don't really belong here. This was just too perfect to pass up.

 

[GoatStatus]

One political post is too many, IMHO.

I have issues with Painter myself but until someone comes up with a better coach that Purdue could actually get then please give it a rest.

Yes Brad Stevens is better and oh yeah Gregg Popovich is too but honestly I can't think of any coaches better than Painter that Purdue could realistically sign.