OR - Archie was on staff at Arizona, who has been named...could have already had the relationship and took it over to IU. Pure speculation.
Assistant Coaches arrested for Fraud
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Conspiracy theorist here. Caleb was an FBI informant that allowed his phone conversations to be tapped, so the FBI could catch Izzo and others recruiting him cheating.
Barnes and Caleb planned this very carefully. This all started when Caleb started to be recruited--coincidence. Barnes, as an agent knew about all this cheating and he and Caleb decided to blow it all up. tic
I hope there is investigation into their football program also. A meteoric rise like that in football at a basketball school that has shown willingness to overlook improprieties on the basketball side.. with a dirtbag like Bobby Petrino for a coach.. the need for a strong football program to ensure their rise to the ACC.. you do the math.
LMAO. It would be so awesome if Swanigan got MSU in trouble when he didn't even end up there. Fun to think about even if it is just fiction.
If we are cheating, we are absolutely terrible at it.
Guys;
I am NOT trying to state that Barnes and Swanigan or IU are in ANY way implicated! Just the opposite!
I completely agree with the post that says that coaches like Painter get screwed by the teams that pay to play. Completely. I did counter what I believe to be a bit naive; that a pro player agent like Barnes doesn't "need money." Guys like Barnes are very savvy to the landscape and how to navigate it. Not just Barnes, of course, but if he didn't understand how the game was played he wouldn't be in the game.
My point was simple, and I'll state it again:
The only players that are remotely possible for involvement in the scandal are the ones who were bribe-worthy. That DOES NOT mean they were part of it; just that, unlike a 150-ish recruit (as an example), it's possible.
I am NOT trying to state that Barnes and Swanigan or IU are in ANY way implicated! Just the opposite!
I completely agree with the post that says that coaches like Painter get screwed by the teams that pay to play. Completely. I did counter what I believe to be a bit naive; that a pro player agent like Barnes doesn't "need money." Guys like Barnes are very savvy to the landscape and how to navigate it. Not just Barnes, of course, but if he didn't understand how the game was played he wouldn't be in the game.
My point was simple, and I'll state it again:
The only players that are remotely possible for involvement in the scandal are the ones who were bribe-worthy. That DOES NOT mean they were part of it; just that, unlike a 150-ish recruit (as an example), it's possible.
Did I do that? I didn't try to, nor do I think I did. The only college athlete Barnes represented was Swanigan, and that was as his guardian.
Agree here. Any school, including Purdue, should be punished if an investigation brings forward illegal actions. I am guessing the issues with UNC and UL and the 'discipline' the NCAA handed out may have had a hand in this.
If that comes out...wonder if that seals the deal for Brohm to stay away from there. If so, I'm all for it!
Let's face it, U of L AD Jurich has the ethics of a dung beetle in heat and he has been running cover for Pitino and Petrino for years. The entire school is corrupt to include administration and faculty. It's a sleazy commuter school that has screwed the pooch to get into the limelight.
Eric hunter just committed right read what he said about Matt painter. He is everything I said he is very honest in his approach, don't promise u nothing but tell you up front playing time is earned and if you come in and work hard you will play. He never lied to me or offered nothing but his word. Biggie de committed from MS bcuz he new he would not be able to play the way he wanted to play (AKA nick ward of mich st who plays strictly the 5 spot) his game his natural position but also be able to shoot the ball etc. He never ever would have been able to do what he did at purdue at Mich st so he opted to leave. Painter so things by the book and I stand on that
Hopefully this shuts up the idiots on here that say they don't care about cheating as long as they win. Death penalty to U of L and suddenly Painters (and Purdues) integrity might not look as bad to the cheater crowd. Really hope that the other BIG10 coaches have kept their noses clean though.
Sounds like Pitino is going to be the first to fall tomorrow morning, if you believe Twitter. Which I always do without question.
Explanation accepted. But it is something to be careful of. If I could have read that into your intent, then others can as well. Party on.
So Hunter just finished his recruiting by canceling the Minnesota trip and committing to Purdue within 48 hours. Can we maybe connect the dots to Pitino in Minny as doing the wrong thing and Hunter did the right thing? If so, then Hunter has very strong character to know right from wrong and do the appropriate thing. That is my kind of recruit. His parents should be congratulated.
no - the dots are that CMP did a great job of showing him the value of PU, of his future, of his place .... and he is an intelligent and HARDworking kid who wanted to play for a coach like Matt.
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the AP just named Miami and Louisville, although the court papers didn't. They also specifically named Bowen as one of the recruits receiving the money. I guess he's over 18, and this is an FBI case , not an NCAA one, so his name leaked out. we know how that works.
And I distinctly recall writing about 50-100 posts saying how Purdue should go after Bowen to fill biggie's scholarship , and asking why Painter wouldn't even bother giving him an offer. and why Bowen didn't sign with anybody at the end of signing day, and then out of the blue 2 months later finally signed with Louisville after all his other previous offers turned him down.
it's rather sad. the schools and coaches get charged with fraud. and may end up being shut down. Hopefully Langford wasn't going to Louisville for the money.
but what happens to bowen and his family for accepting the $100,000?
treed , yo u are right, it's a n ugly business.
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And I distinctly recall writing about 50-100 posts saying how Purdue should go after Bowen to fill biggie's scholarship , and asking why Painter wouldn't even bother giving him an offer. and why Bowen didn't sign with anybody at the end of signing day, and then out of the blue 2 months later finally signed with Louisville after all his other previous offers turned him down.
it's rather sad. the schools and coaches get charged with fraud. and may end up being shut down. Hopefully Langford wasn't going to Louisville for the money.
but what happens to bowen and his family for accepting the $100,000?
treed , yo u are right, it's a n ugly business.
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I've said this at least 30 times over the last few years, but if all the know-it-alls on this board truly understood what Matt and Todd Foster and Brandon do with these guys off the court, and if they HONORED and RESPECTED it, they would shut-up about replacing Matt. The growth as a man that AJ experienced while here was amazing. It took patience, acceptance, wisdom, compassion, and humanity that goes beyond basketball .... it just did .... and there are other stories ... but it takes a mature listener ....
I'll be honest ... and I'm sure there are guys that should be a tie, but I just don't know who they are, but .... wait for it ... here it is:
Matt Painter is the best clean coach in the NCAA!!!!!
Matt Painter is the best clean coach in the NCAA!!!!!
ya i first thought of the usc/Reggie bush scandal.
similar stuff happens so often.
if they began investigating this just in recent years... talk about a jobs creator, they will be busy for awhile!
great time for purdue programs to be on the rise and take further advantage
Wading thru a sea of sleaze balls, where cheaters seemingly DO prosper, all while the NCAA plays the old Schultz (Hogan's Heroes) record over and over........CMP has managed to stick to his values and actually succeed in doing so. It must be so difficult not to give in, especially, when at times, your job may be at risk in the "win at all costs" world we live in. I don't know if it is just luck that I grew up a Boiler fan or not, but PU is about the only team I can watch any more. BTFU!
You were probably born a Hoosier, but now are a Boilermaker by the grace of God.
Anyone can be born a Hoosier, but it takes hard work to become a Boilermaker.
It's easy to be misunderstood, especially in enemy territory. I agree that this will likely be limited to really high end recruits because why would the shoe companies invest in a player not likely to ever go pro.
And this is why some people here shouldn't get insulted and pi$$ed when they are told that Matt Painter knows more about a player than the armchair coaches who only see the stars next to a kid's name and a few videos.
Bleacher ReportVerified account@BleacherReport 17m17 minutes ago
Louisville expected to fire Rick Pitino today following fraud and corruption scandal, per @michaeleaves http://ble.ac/2wWgDAY
Louisville expected to fire Rick Pitino today following fraud and corruption scandal, per @michaeleaves http://ble.ac/2wWgDAY
LOL
Michael RosenbergVerified account@Rosenberg_Mike 13h13 hours ago
Rick Pitino has denied knowing his program employed Rick Pitino.
Michael RosenbergVerified account@Rosenberg_Mike 13h13 hours ago
Rick Pitino has denied knowing his program employed Rick Pitino.
in 1980 i sat in a room with 3 future d1 players and an assistant coach from Oklahoma. the coach told the 3 thst if they went to OU they could drive any car they wanted. If they saw a girl on campus they liked he would hook them up. 1 went to U San Francisco and they got the death penalty while he was there. 1 went to Florida and the other to Kentucky. You wouldn't believe the stories he told me about the UK alumni. It's been happening for years but the NCAA didn't want to hurt their cash cow.
I am struggling to see how one school is a "cash cow" and others are not. Many colleges fill up their gyms, and most of that money goes to the home school, not the NCAA as a whole. UK? meh! the tournament will make lots of money regardless of some schools not participating. Sorry, but the UK grads I know are not the social-economic class of people that spend lots of money on NCAA things. Beer, smokes, shotguns, used pickups, yes; NCAA stuff no.
My son visited a junior college that was recommended by Arkansas the year after they won the Dance. He shook hands with 5 supporters at the game he watched. He came home with 5 $100 bills. From visiting a Junior College ... a feeder system ...
Now I feel sad. My son wasn't good enough to come home with any bribes or money. At least being on the track team, I no longer have to buy his shoes. That was a $500 expense in high school. And after coach k signed his $125 high top nikes, he never wore them again. We bought those shoes just before that bball camp, and He wore them for one week. oh well. I also got to meet coach k, so it was worth it.
I am broke because my kids needed to have the shoes that would make them better than they really were ... it's like "my kid is a crappy guitar player, he needs a better guitar."
Feel free to be naive.
Any recruit five star recruit, especially within the last five years, got paid. If they didn't get paid - their families or handlers got paid. That is how this works.
Nike's EYBL grassroots division, along with documents, have been subpoenaed by FBI in furtherance of investigation. You better hope the crew cleaned their hands, because you know who played on Indy Heat - Swanigan. If you didn't know Indy Heat is a EYBL affiliate and Swanigan is a EYBL alumni.
Whether you want to believe it or not Purdue had to get their hands dirty to land Swanigan. Barnes pimped him out and this is not new news to anyone around the circuits.
Any recruit five star recruit, especially within the last five years, got paid. If they didn't get paid - their families or handlers got paid. That is how this works.
Nike's EYBL grassroots division, along with documents, have been subpoenaed by FBI in furtherance of investigation. You better hope the crew cleaned their hands, because you know who played on Indy Heat - Swanigan. If you didn't know Indy Heat is a EYBL affiliate and Swanigan is a EYBL alumni.
Whether you want to believe it or not Purdue had to get their hands dirty to land Swanigan. Barnes pimped him out and this is not new news to anyone around the circuits.
Hmmm, funny that Swanigan and Barnes were put through the ringer prior to Biggie enrolling at Purdue in the summer before his freshman year. Also, you are talking about a family the is VERY well off at Barnes net worth is roughly $3.5 million. He wouldn't need to be paid off because his father is a sports agent. Really, are you this thick headed or did you just want to spout off with a different handle?
Feel free to troll this board. We got you figured out. Seen your ilk before. Expect to be treated poorly by most here as we have little tollerance for trolls.
