Are you willing to settle for being average?

[tjreese]

LOL dude it's even in the game highlight reel on espn. mustard?! don't let's be silly!

okay so tell me in all the games and all the possessions how much it determines a games outcome? Highlight videos are entertainment videos for whatever? How many highlight videos are on blocking out and getting a rebound, hitting a FT...making the secondary rotation and on and on. Just because you are entertained by a high light video (and some are fun to watch) does NOT equate to the weighting of the outcome of a game. Teh game has been dumbed down to let the average fan that likes high scoring, lots of running and dunking along with shooting the three ball entertain people by the shot clock and rule emphasis. Fans like that and miss the important things like manyh miss the linemen in football. It is just the way it is. I'm guessing by using the word dude you are rather young and so your view of basketball may be rather limited in duration and changes over the years. Before the decreases in shot clock...on ball screens were not very popular.Off ball screens were whether a head hunter screen or a back screen.

So, in all of Purdue's games so far...how may possessions were there and how many detrimental high ball screens were there...since those never made it to a highlight video...

 

[tjreese]

Lol this board

...and I feel like I am in Chuckie Cheese boppin those groundhogs as nice as possible

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

okay so tell me in all the games and all the possessions how much it determines a games outcome? Highlight videos are entertainment videos for whatever? How many highlight videos are on blocking out and getting a rebound, hitting a FT...making the secondary rotation and on and on. Just because you are entertained by a high light video (and some are fun to watch) does NOT equate to the weighting of the outcome of a game. Teh game has been dumbed down to let the average fan that likes high scoring, lots of running and dunking along with shooting the three ball entertain people by the shot clock and rule emphasis. Fans like that and miss the important things like manyh miss the linemen in football. It is just the way it is. I'm guessing by using the word dude you are rather young and so your view of basketball may be rather limited in duration and changes over the years. Before the decreases in shot clock...on ball screens were not very popular.Off ball screens were whether a head hunter screen or a back screen.

So, in all of Purdue's games so far...how may possessions were there and how many detrimental high ball screens were there...since those never made it to a highlight video...

So you admit your statement is patently false? ok good.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

If they said it, they were wrong. Purdue won at #11 Michigan in 2012. It won at #9 OSU and #10 MSU in 2010.

It's possible they meant top 15 road wins against non-conference teams. That may be correct, but I'm not sure. Of course, playing non-conference games at top 15 teams almost never occurs and was only the 3rd time a Painter coached team has done it (@ #4 Memphis in 2005 and @ #11 Xavier in 2011).

Non-conference is what it should have been if that wasn't stated. 1983, @ #13 Fresno State in a Thanksgiving holiday tournament hosted by the Bulldogs.

 

[TC4THREE]

Problem is that the Chicken littles on this board would be looking to fire the best of coaches whenever the team struggles. Look at Izzo right now, they would want him fired despite their brutal schedule. The fact is, they will never be happy. We win a National Championship, and they will bitch because we haven't won 2.

My favorite: "High risk = high reward!!"

 

[tjreese]

So you admit your statement is patently false? ok good.

I said and admit that highlight video is for entertainment. I asked you to weigh what you consider an important area of the game and that was teh effectiveness in the totality of play by the high ball screen. If you desire to count the number of possessions it was in play and compare it to the number of possession it was not in play, then go for it. I don't need to do that to know it is a single area of the game that has NO value if the guard cannot shoot the ball. Lot of possessions in a game adn we have a few games now adding up to a few hundred possessions and so how much did the high ball screen effect the outcome?

I see it as an area of the game extremely enhanced by the rule emphasis in play today; but with that enhancement what weight does in play in the outcome? I'm unsure what you want to interpret as me starting to think it is the offense that needs ran, just because something that was obsolete now has been brought back to life in some capacity

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

I said and admit that highlight video is for entertainment. I asked you to weigh what you consider an important area of the game and that was teh effectiveness in the totality of play by the high ball screen. If you desire to count the number of possessions it was in play and compare it to the number of possession it was not in play, then go for it. I don't need to do that to know it is a single area of the game that has NO value if the guard cannot shoot the ball. Lot of possessions in a game adn we have a few games now adding up to a few hundred possessions and so how much did the high ball screen effect the outcome?

I see it as an area of the game extremely enhanced by the rule emphasis in play today; but with that enhancement what weight does in play in the outcome? I'm unsure what you want to interpret as me starting to think it is the offense that needs ran, just because something that was obsolete now has been brought back to life in some capacity

well Caleb would have taken our first 5 shots if I were coaching. That's what I would consider important, getting your best player the ball. Here's our first few offensive plays, you tell me how efficient it is:
1. Vince TO (UL steal) at the top of the key. Slop.
2. Dakota open 3 top of the key. Missed.
3. Haas good deep position, fouled on the shot. 1/2
4. Haas good deep look, missed
5. Vince assist to open Thompson 3
6. Vince contested 3, missed
7. Haas TO travel
8. Carsen contested 3, missed
9. Vince open 3, missed
10. Carsen TO offensive foul moving pick

We had 4 points after our first 10 possessions...3 turnovers, 5 attempted 3s.

 

[BoilerDeac]

You really think that would fit our current team? Haas and Swanigan aren't guys we want rolling to the basket.

Wouldn't work as well with Haas, but Biggie is talented enough to do it.

Biggie and Haas shouldn't be on the same floor at the same time, regardless.

 

[BoilerDeac]

It's like you haven't even watched Purdue play this year. Purdue has played a lot of high ball screen pick and roll this year.

They've utilized it, but not nearly enough. Still too much of trying to force-feed the post, swinging it around the perimeter until the clock winds down someone is forced to try to beat his man one on one.

 

[BoiledSteel]

They've utilized it, but not nearly enough. Still too much of trying to force-feed the post, swinging it around the perimeter until the clock winds down someone is forced to try to beat his man one on one.

Wait, all we heard last season is how we should be playing our bigs at the same time and the whole 'twin towers' thing... now we don't want that? Will you all make up your mind?

 

[BoilerDeac]

Wait, all we heard last season is how we should be playing our bigs at the same time and the whole 'twin towers' thing... now we don't want that? Will you all make up your mind?

Who said we should be playing the twin towers together? I never have said that.

That lineup doesn't work against good, well-coached, high level teams (e.g., Butler, Notre Dame, Louisville, Villanova).

I mean, shit, even Ark LR knew to just double down on the bigs and force turnovers.

 

[tjreese]

well Caleb would have taken our first 5 shots if I were coaching. That's what I would consider important, getting your best player the ball. Here's our first few offensive plays, you tell me how efficient it is:
1. Vince TO (UL steal) at the top of the key. Slop.
2. Dakota open 3 top of the key. Missed.
3. Haas good deep position, fouled on the shot. 1/2
4. Haas good deep look, missed
5. Vince assist to open Thompson 3
6. Vince contested 3, missed
7. Haas TO travel
8. Carsen contested 3, missed
9. Vince open 3, missed
10. Carsen TO offensive foul moving pick

We had 4 points after our first 10 possessions...3 turnovers, 5 attempted 3s.

I'm guessing that the opposing coach has an idea who to leave open adn who not dependoing on location and THAT coach can defend how he wants not what you wish he would do...and if that coach has suppier talent his wishes may eliminate your wishes? coaches have a lot less to dictate than imagined...particularly since they cannot wait for their wishes to happen due to a shot clock. If there was no clock a coach could wait...and wait...and wait until he got what he wanted...not today.

 

[Summy1]

Its pretty obvious how to beat Purdue. Load the inside and make them shot 3's. Purdue can't consistently make them.

Not sure why people are defending Painter. He is a good guy but he IS average

 

[cgnops]

Its pretty obvious how to beat Purdue. Load the inside and make them shot 3's. Purdue can't consistently make them.

Not sure why people are defending Painter. He is a good guy but he IS average

Purdue is currently 12th in the nation in 3 pt% (41.8%)
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/152

...and tied for 25th in the country for made 3s but not in the top 50 for 3s attempted.

I would have to say that maybe 3 pt shooting isnt this teams problem. The first half yesteday was just really sloppy and much too careless. We need to come out and play every minute with killer attitude or else the team just floats by, until someone gets fired up and wakes everyone up.

 

[mathboy]

Its pretty obvious how to beat Purdue. Load the inside and make them shot 3's. Purdue can't consistently make them.

Not sure why people are defending Painter. He is a good guy but he IS average

I suppose you are right. Being in the top 20 consistently when pulling in solid, but not stellar recruits is an average job for any coach in the country. Yep, that why so many are able to do it. Thanks for 'splaining to me.

Seems like we had this whole "Average" discussion earlier this year. Am I right? If so, why drag it out again Sunny? Do you plan to do it for each loss we endure, just to add to the real Purdue fans' misery? Does it make you feel better to do this? Painter is not going anywhere. I suggest that you are in the minority in wishing him gone. Let it go. Stop making generalized statements that have no basis, or are just part of competitive sports.

 

[DG10]

Problem is that the Chicken littles on this board would be looking to fire the best of coaches whenever the team struggles. Look at Izzo right now, they would want him fired despite their brutal schedule. The fact is, they will never be happy. We win a National Championship, and they will bitch because we haven't won 2.

Right...THAT is the problem.

To even mention Izzo in the same thread regarding Painter is an insult to Izzo.

 

[Purdue0034]

My 2 cents... As far as Painter goes; I think he is definitely above average. And we could definitely do worse than Painter. Think of all the coaches in the BIG, Is there any coach from the BIG you would rather have? Not me. The fact that I can't stand most of the other coaches, but I don't look at any of them and wish we had them as a coach over Painter. I also think Painter has improved his coaching style. I like how he interacts with players better than he used to. I also have seen our teams improve throughout the year when we don't have a player meltdown, injury, or someone dismissed. If it wasn't for VE, I would be feeling pretty good about our team right now and we also might be 6 and 1 instead of 5 and 2. I am not blaming VE for everything, but we need him to step up and play like a man if we are going to do anything extraordinary this year. We won't make it to the Sweet 16 if he isn't a key contributor. Painter and him need to figure out how to right the ship. The good news is, it early December so we have time. With a fully functioning VE, I think we can dream about getting to the Sweet 16 and having a chance to advance.
Oh and by the way, as far as a Kramer type player. I would say Caleb and Carsen have that fire to be that type of player.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Starts and ends with the coach! Let's go get coach Mack from Xavier.

Why would he leave?

 

[Summy1]

Purdue is currently 12th in the nation in 3 pt% (41.8%)
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/152

...and tied for 25th in the country for made 3s but not in the top 50 for 3s attempted.

I would have to say that maybe 3 pt shooting isnt this teams problem. The first half yesteday was just really sloppy and much too careless. We need to come out and play every minute with killer attitude or else the team just floats by, until someone gets fired up and wakes everyone up.

To me it just seems like the key is to stop Haas from doing his thing and stop Swanigan and Purdue can't win. Dare them to consistently shoot outside. Yes, turnovers are part of the problem.

 

[Boiler8285]

Painter is above average. Makes the NCAA more often than not which basically means top 6 or 7 of BIG. He is not elite (FF) and we have 12 years of history plus whatever number of years of his mentor Keady to prove it. We could do worse but don't plan on a FF. Like many have said you get what you get; man D and move, move.

 

[tjreese]

Painter is above average. Makes the NCAA more often than not which basically means top 6 or 7 of BIG. He is not elite (FF) and we have 12 years of history plus whatever number of years of his mentor Keady to prove it. We could do worse but don't plan on a FF. Like many have said you get what you get; man D and move, move.

I think you would have to include Knight as an influence as well, but Knight played man so not much difference there.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Purdue is currently 12th in the nation in 3 pt% (41.8%)
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/152

...and tied for 25th in the country for made 3s but not in the top 50 for 3s attempted.

I would have to say that maybe 3 pt shooting isnt this teams problem. The first half yesteday was just really sloppy and much too careless. We need to come out and play every minute with killer attitude or else the team just floats by, until someone gets fired up and wakes everyone up.

And keep dropping in TO margin, now ranked 247th.

Unfortunately it's been awhile since we excelled in that area

Descending seasons
247 now
172
325
272
230
257
9
14
4

 

[Summy1]

Painter is above average. Makes the NCAA more often than not which basically means top 6 or 7 of BIG. He is not elite (FF) and we have 12 years of history plus whatever number of years of his mentor Keady to prove it. We could do worse but don't plan on a FF. Like many have said you get what you get; man D and move, move.

Some of your points are true. Finish towards the upper third of the big ten. Yes makes the tournament but doesn't go far. Probably will never get to the final four. You can say average to above average but not great. Some programs and fans are happy with that.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Yes, the critics will be silent as we beat mighty Rutgers and Northwestern but predictably lose every road game to a team with a pulse. We will win enough to be a 4 or 5 seed and lose in round 1 or 2. Looks a lot like the very best teams under Painter outside of the Baby Boilers when we actually had multiple top 50 guys, and even those teams couldn't surpass 2 sweet 16's and a shared B1G title.

Northwestern is legit this year. Haven't studied the schedule, but if we go up there, it will be tough. Doughy Steve Alford better be ready for that one.