Completely agree and UConn is a great use case for balancing high school recruiting and development with portal additions.
Any idea who Coach Painter is talking about?
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"Everyone" assumes this? Then it's fair to say that you believe any player from the portal will take Purdue to the FF. I still remember you repeatedly criticizing Painter for not getting Xavier Johnson to transfer to Purdue. Cancer. There's the counter to your Lance Jones-Mason Gillis argument.
If Painter brings in 1 or 2 or 3 players from the portal, I guarantee "everyone" here will embrace them, because he has shown that he knows what he's doing. Just read the stories about how he evaluated Cox. He didn't rely on the number of stars after his name or who else was recruiting him, like some armchair coaches do. And he didn't rely on the box scores and stat sheets. He found out how he interacted with his coaches and team mates. If he doesn't bring in a "free agent", it's because he didn't find one who would help Purdue win, or the players he did find, went elsewhere.
If you pay a guy 7M and you miss the tournament or CFP, I’d say he wasn’t worth it
I forget where, but a coach recently benched a player for not playing up to what they were paying him.
So the whole "worth" aspect is already happening... Welcome to the new age of college sports.
Rick Barnes benched Lanier! Their best portal transfer. He ran a play for him to shoot a certain shot and he didn’t shoot it and Barnes was pissed and sat him.
Painter clearly disagrees. Even if you were right, which you aren't, convincing us will not change the reality that Painter is in charge and doesn't see things your way. Thankfully.
Ahhh thats right.. thanks for clearing that up!
The way things are going and with the extended eligibility that might go in, you're going to have players in college earning millions for YEARS and subsequently making professional sports a retirement community.... with that though will come sitting players not earning what they are being paid. It's a sucky situation, but if you're paying some player millions.. they better live up to what they are earning.
And if Painter doesn't pull 2 guys from the portal, do you conclude that he isn't serious about reaching another FF? Or that he has no idea how to get there, but you know the way?
Actually no, not more than a couple. Literally a couple. Newton and Spencer.
How are you quantifying that? Again, worth is subjective. I agree that if you build your team with NIL $ and you don't make the tourney, then that's a poor investment. But, if you build your team with NIL $ and paid mercenaries, and make the FF or the CFP, then it is probably worth it.
Painter's old school, which is fine. We'll see how the building/developing philosophy works versus using the portal to add key pieces. It's a combination of both that he is sort of embracing.
I would say that if Painter thinks he has a FF team for next year with the current roster, he's probably being a little overly optimistic. He, the fans, and talking heads know where the gaps are on this roster and where the portal could be used to immediately fill those gaps.
Both starters, both average around 14-15 pts a game, so I'd say they were pretty successful portal adds. This is the model Painter should follow.
Every team has a culture. And every fan of team thinks their culture is superior and unique to most other schools.
Purdue isn't a paragon of which only a handful of kids can play. It's also not a cesspool like some schools are for sure.
Each team needs to find players who will accept roles and fit team chemistry. That's not unique to Purdue. I'm sure Painter would do his best to find those players. I'm also sure those players are as likely to exist in the portal as they are out of high school.
I'm also sure that Painter isn't perfect in figuring that out. Catchings didn't come from the portal and yet turned out he wasn't a culture fit. It happens. No blame to Painter because again it's impossible to be perfect in assessing that.
I just think folks here have hyper moralized the portal as being filled with potential cancers because some don't like the very concept of the portal.
It's simply another source of talent. The same risks and benefits exist there as in high school recruiting. If a high school recruit appeared in the radar for next season that had a lot of talent people wouldn't be asking whose minutes they might take and maybe we shouldn't take them because we are "loaded."
Jones last season could have gone other places and he didn't come here guaranteed a starting role. He fit in just fine and yeah Heide or Colvin didn't start likely because of it. And turned out ok. If someone in the portal can make this team better and someone here plays less minutes the problem is what exactly?
So they had 2 transfers and we had 1. All 3 started and were huge contributors to championship game teams. Ok thanks.
I don’t think many here disagree that perhaps Painter finds someone in the portal to help next season. What I do see however is that Painter won’t recruit over players he feels have been loyal to Purdue.
Bottom line is that I trust Painter to make that call and if history and his words tell us anything, then it’s unlikely we go grab a high dollar transfer to displace players we already have. In other words, it would have to be a perfect match and there must be an obvious hole.
I don’t think that the over recruiting rule is a hard and fast rule. Jones effectively replaced Morton’s role last season. As a freshman, Smith took the role that Hunter and IT had the prior year, before transferring out. Painter will do what is best for the team and that might involve upgrading a position.
The fans and the talking heads (smirk) who kept saying he'll NEVER get to a FF playing a center-centric game? And without 5-star players?
I'll defer to the judgement of a multiple COY award winner over that of fans and talking heads.
You said similar things before Painter went to a FF.... so lenny your track record being "right" on things like this is near zero.
We may not make a FF next year, but the roster being built has a glimmer of long term success.
Sure he will. He does it every time he brings in a great recruit. If a frosh comes in and they are better than a loyal senior then guess what, that frosh is starting and that senior is coming off the bench.
Heck, Ethan Morton is a perfect example of that. Loyalty doesn't mean playing time. It means honesty and a fair chance to play. That's it
Many? I don't know what that means. Plenty will. "Many" won't fit in a lot of cultures.
People get too homer in thinking we are super duper special compared to other schools.
Yeah, I’m not sure Ethan Morton is a good example. He may have been loyal but he wasn’t a player who couldn’t be replaced easily. I’m talking more about the big 3. To find someone better is a stretch but if it was a possibility I doubt Painter even entertains it.
I think Colvin and Heide are two players that may end up being recruited over. It’s the players who aren’t developing that run the risk of being replaced. Some folks here seem to think we should go out and spend a million or two on replacing players such as Loyer or TKR and I’m sure that that won’t happen.
1. Smith
2. Cox
3. Loyer
4. TKR
5. DJ
Harris
Colvin
Heide
Burgess
I really don’t see any holes in that returning roster. Room for improvement and development? Absolutely! Holes? Not seeing them.
So yeah that's the point, it's not about loyalty. It's about ability to help the team win.
And Benter.. he'll factor in to that lineup as well... I agree, I just don't see where the minutes for portal people will go.. ...
First - I didn't say all of them. Second, Gillis was a GRAD student transfer much like Jones. WAAAY different that those kids now that can use the portal to become free agents and jump ship at any moment. Those are the guys I am referencing more than typical grad transfers. Third, Culture multure, or chemistry is overrated? Really then why did UK win more championships with Cal there? They had all the talent in the world! They should have been a dynasty like UCLA back in the day no? Hell look at Rutgers this year. Two top 5 projected lottery picks and they are going to be lucky to sniff the tournament.....
I’m pretty sure Painter has used the word loyalty when talking about the portal and player retention. Perhaps he considers development in the loyalty equation, I don’t know.
I think a good example is Jacobsen. I don’t see Painter recruiting over DJ but I could see him adding a backup for that position. I suppose that would be more of a replacement for Furst but I’m pretty sure DJ is considered the starting five going into next season. But Painter has been pretty clear about retention along with development as being most important to him when discussing the subject.
You are assuming that all of those players stay at PU. In this era, that may not be true. If PU goes 2 years in a row with no transfers in, that will be really an outlier in the P5 conferences.
Actually @bonefish1 wanted Bobinski to fire Painter less than 2 years ago.
The good news is Painter likely feels the same way about your opinion that most of us do. Your track record here isn't very good the last few years.
Ha.. thats about right. I'm pretty sure that was when I wasn't here but lenny has was clamoring for Shaka Smart for the longest time.
I’m not assuming that they all stay. I am saying that I think that retention is priority.
Yep. I’m with you on a portal guy…well two actually.
I say Smith (as long as no nba and im not saying he’s ready), Loyer, TKR, cox, Harris, Colvin, Heide, DJ , Burgess, and Benter all stay and then you add west. That’s 11 spots of 15. Berg and Waddell transfer. Let’s grab Sisley after he decommits from IU and then 3 more portal guys to round out the team.
Retention goal #1 no question.
But would not bet my season on DJ, an unproven 5, with great potential. We don't know if the kid can get through a season? And how many minutes he can even log?? Ideally he is great......all B10 frosh, but certainly no guarantee there.
Burgess is ok for a frosh, but probably going to be Jr-Sr years before we see extended reliable production.
My bet is on DJ from the brief time that I saw him play before the injury. I could be wrong, but I don’t think I am. My biggest concern is his lack of bulk, but he appeared capable of making up for it with his length.
I really like the way that Burgess is playing as well. TKR also has the ability to play the 5 when Purdue goes small. Furst will be missed, but I think Purdue should be solid at the 5.
