Any idea who Coach Painter is talking about?

[Chi-Boiler]

I've read a lot of back and forth in this thread and it's funny to me that both sides are saying slight variations of the same thing and treating them like counterpoints.

I was starting to reach the same conclusion. The sides are much closer than we're acting.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Relying on a 7'4 light weight freshman coming off a major leg injury to immediately enter the starting line up? If the injury lingers, is Burgess now a starter? Who do you put with TKR? Berg?
Cox is solid, but he's upgradable.

I felt the same way a couple years ago when Purdue went into the season with Braden Smith as the only true point guard on the roster, but it worked out ok. There are no guarantees with DJ and there is a chance that he’s a disappointment, but there’s also a very real possibility that he’s an impact player next season. He surprisingly showed quite a bit in those 26 minutes before he got hurt.

As far as Burgess, he’s really making the most of his minutes and Purdue is playing well as a team when he’s in the game. He’s got good efficiency numbers and his offensive rebounding has been the best on the team from a percentage perspective. I trust him and, as a sophomore, I expect him to be ready to take on a bigger role.

 

[qazplm]

I felt the same way a couple years ago when Purdue went into the season with Braden Smith as the only true point guard on the roster, but it worked out ok. There are no guarantees with DJ and there is a chance that he’s a disappointment, but there’s also a very real possibility that he’s an impact player next season. He surprisingly showed quite a bit in those 26 minutes before he got hurt.

As far as Burgess, he’s really making the most of his minutes and Purdue is playing well as a team when he’s in the game. He’s got good efficiency numbers and his offensive rebounding has been the best on the team from a percentage perspective. I trust him and, as a sophomore, I expect him to be ready to take on a bigger role.

Obviously it worked out but we all know what Painter did early on right? He went after Pack.

You're right, DJ has a wide range of possibilities, and one of them is four year starter, but that's not locked in yet, and Painter still is going to look for more talent at every position and let it play out in practice. Burgess is certainly someone we don't wanna lose. He also has a wide range.

 

[BoilerAndy]

So, he will take portal players. He took two in two years. He also talks about 13 scholarship players which isn't the case anymore. He is going to have two more slots to fill.

But that article clearly establishes:

1. He doesn't view the portal as off limits. He just doesn't want to make it his prime source which no one here is suggesting he do.
2. He'll take portal players if they will help the team. Whether or not that's true will depend on the team and the portal players available, which no one here is disputing.
3. Nothing about "I won't recruit over anyone."
4. He doesn't say, my team is so good I won't possibly take one in the near future.

Bunch of strawmen being created by folks on here because THEY don't like the portal. So they ascribe stuff to Painter like he will never get someone out of the portal to play over a loyal player when he literally did it the last two seasons. Or that he thinks the team is so stacked that no portal player could possibly help. Which he also hasn't said.

Nothing in there says he won't use the portal next season. Nothing in there says he thinks he has a team that can't possibly be improved. Nothing in there says what happens if one or two players leave for next season.

No one here has advocated for him to make the portal his primary method. Or even a big method. Everyone has said one MAYBE two additions would be helpful and everyone has caveated that on fit and culture.


The folks left arguing, and some being aholes about it, are the ones most opposed to the Idea of a portal to begin with.

A lot of strawmen in this post.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Obviously it worked out but we all know what Painter did early on right? He went after Pack.

You're right, DJ has a wide range of possibilities, and one of them is four year starter, but that's not locked in yet, and Painter still is going to look for more talent at every position and let it play out in practice. Burgess is certainly someone we don't wanna lose. He also has a wide range.

Pack is a good example. Painter would have loved to have had him, but Pack made a financially driven decision to go to Miami. The big difference now is that the players are asking for much more money. There are a lot of centers that Purdue could go after that would be an apparent upgrade, but at what cost and does it come out of the compensation that Smith, Loyer, and TKR have earned? Any of those three could leave and demand 7 figures next season. I want to make sure that Purdue nips that possibility in the bud by rewarding them appropriately.

 

[seminolesboilers]

Is Pack on the Hurricane team anymore? At the beginning of this season...he was starting. Lately...I do not see his name even in the boxscore for a team that is terrible. Did he quit the team?

 

[Boiler Buck]

Is Pack on the Hurricane team anymore? At the beginning of this season...he was starting. Lately...I do not see his name even in the boxscore for a team that is terrible. Did he quit the team?

Out - injury last 4 games or so

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article298076978.html

 

[qazplm]

Pack is a good example. Painter would have loved to have had him, but Pack made a financially driven decision to go to Miami. The big difference now is that the players are asking for much more money. There are a lot of centers that Purdue could go after that would be an apparent upgrade, but at what cost and does it come out of the compensation that Smith, Loyer, and TKR have earned? Any of those three could leave and demand 7 figures next season. I want to make sure that Purdue nips that possibility in the bud by rewarding them appropriately.

It doesn't HAVE to come out of anyone's compensation. Absolutely reward them. I don't think it's an either or situation unless it's made and either or situation.

 

[proudopete]

It doesn't HAVE to come out of anyone's compensation. Absolutely reward them. I don't think it's an either or situation unless it's made and either or situation.

The basketball team certainly has a cap on what it can spend. Purdue doesn’t have the NIL that schools like IU has. So, would we drop the big 3’s NIL to bring in a starting center? Possibly but that goes against the importance Painter places on retention.

 

[bonefish1]

I think the extreme views we have seen from a couple of posters saying we need 3-4 portal additions is what’s making it seem like there are disagreements.

My point was that Painter won’t use the portal unless absolutely necessary. The differences lie in people’s definitions of what is necessary for next year.

What would you consider a situation to deem it absolutely necessary to use the portal?

 

[bonefish1]

The basketball team certainly has a cap on what it can spend. Purdue doesn’t have the NIL that schools like IU has. So, would we drop the big 3’s NIL to bring in a starting center? Possibly but that goes against the importance Painter places on retention.

How do you know how much the bball program has for NIL? Are you in the collective and have insider info ?

 

[BoilerAndy]

What would you consider a situation to deem it absolutely necessary to use the portal?

I see 2 scenarios.
1. Painter sees a team weakness, such as rebounding, and he doesn't expect the current players and incoming recruits to provide enough improvement.
2. Key veterans graduate or enter the portal, leaving a gap in experience at one or more positions. This seems to be the main reason for Painter drawing from the portal/transfer market.