I was starting to reach the same conclusion. The sides are much closer than we're acting.
Any idea who Coach Painter is talking about?
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I felt the same way a couple years ago when Purdue went into the season with Braden Smith as the only true point guard on the roster, but it worked out ok. There are no guarantees with DJ and there is a chance that he’s a disappointment, but there’s also a very real possibility that he’s an impact player next season. He surprisingly showed quite a bit in those 26 minutes before he got hurt.
As far as Burgess, he’s really making the most of his minutes and Purdue is playing well as a team when he’s in the game. He’s got good efficiency numbers and his offensive rebounding has been the best on the team from a percentage perspective. I trust him and, as a sophomore, I expect him to be ready to take on a bigger role.
Obviously it worked out but we all know what Painter did early on right? He went after Pack.
You're right, DJ has a wide range of possibilities, and one of them is four year starter, but that's not locked in yet, and Painter still is going to look for more talent at every position and let it play out in practice. Burgess is certainly someone we don't wanna lose. He also has a wide range.
Pack is a good example. Painter would have loved to have had him, but Pack made a financially driven decision to go to Miami. The big difference now is that the players are asking for much more money. There are a lot of centers that Purdue could go after that would be an apparent upgrade, but at what cost and does it come out of the compensation that Smith, Loyer, and TKR have earned? Any of those three could leave and demand 7 figures next season. I want to make sure that Purdue nips that possibility in the bud by rewarding them appropriately.
Is Pack on the Hurricane team anymore? At the beginning of this season...he was starting. Lately...I do not see his name even in the boxscore for a team that is terrible. Did he quit the team?
Out - injury last 4 games or so
It doesn't HAVE to come out of anyone's compensation. Absolutely reward them. I don't think it's an either or situation unless it's made and either or situation.
The basketball team certainly has a cap on what it can spend. Purdue doesn’t have the NIL that schools like IU has. So, would we drop the big 3’s NIL to bring in a starting center? Possibly but that goes against the importance Painter places on retention.
What would you consider a situation to deem it absolutely necessary to use the portal?
How do you know how much the bball program has for NIL? Are you in the collective and have insider info ?
I see 2 scenarios.
1. Painter sees a team weakness, such as rebounding, and he doesn't expect the current players and incoming recruits to provide enough improvement.
2. Key veterans graduate or enter the portal, leaving a gap in experience at one or more positions. This seems to be the main reason for Painter drawing from the portal/transfer market.
1. I have no idea what that cap is and I don't think you do either.
2. I don't know that said cap is exhausted by three players such that any more money will have to come from those three. I highly doubt that's true.
3. If 2 is true then it's gonna be real easy to snipe off Heide, Colvin or other players for a couple hundred thousand right?
Just like with football, basketball is either going to have to be willing to spend more money on players, or resign themselves to increasing the degree of difficulty in the future.
Nobody is saying that the cap is completely exhausted by the big 3. It is more a question of what will it take to bring in a player who will significantly upgrade Purdue’s lineup. If it takes say 30%+ of Purdue’s NIL budget to bring in a very good (but not great) player, then it might make it harder to keep the core of the roster together. It’s a trade off that needs to be weighed and I personally would make sure the key returning players are fairly compensated first before making any NIL promises.
No one is suggesting otherwise. What folks are suggesting is that Purdue needs to find a way to increase that budget in the future for both sports.
Everyone keeps talking about NIL. Don't forget that starting in Spring of 2025 schools can directly pay players with a cap of 20.5 million. Bobinski has made it clear PU will have the 20.5 m to spend.
Yes, but so will everyone else and I’m guessing they aren’t able to get the guardrails in place to keep the Nil that’s over and above that to still happen. So we will likely still be behind some of our peers.
I think the idea that we can't possibly end up at least in the top half of the conference for NIL is wrong. We will have the money if we are willing to do it. No one is suggesting we are going to spend more than the biggest schools, we just need to not be closer to the bottom.
I agree and Purdue will also have a roster to more than match it if everyone returns. My belief is that if Smith is not the top returning player in the country next season, he will certainly be in the conversation. He deserves top compensation.
I think that the field is leveling, but there will continue to be outside sources of money as well and there will be a group of schools that have a lot more to spend than the rest (with IU being one of them). There will also be a lot of teams with marginal returning talent who have a boatload of money to spend in the portal. Purdue will just need to do what Purdue has been doing well by rewarding the players who have produced for Purdue first.
In your opinion, if there were no roster changes other than Furst graduating, do you think Painter should use the portal this off season? (and no, you can't say "well, that's up to coach Painter". That's a cop out. I'm curious about what your opinion is).
If my XRP crypto holdings continue to do well, I'll be significantly upping my NIL contributions. So, everyone go out and start loading up on XRP!!
It’s common sense that Purdue doesn’t have unlimited NIL dollars. I do not however know what the cap is but one can infer from Painters actions that it isn’t top money in the league.
I’m pretty sure Painter focuses what money he does have on retention of players and if you look at his history it seems to be working.
Tell me who you think will be available in the portal who could help Purdue. Otherwise, just saying, "Painter should just add top college free agents and it's his job to figure it out" is a copout.
No, it's not commonsense, because you have no idea what that number is or what the limit is. Maybe it's not top money, but is it say...top 3? Top 5? Bottom 5? You have no idea.
Once those players enter the portal, I'll give you a list.
You asking me for a specific player is not that same as me asking you if Painter should use the portal.
He shouldn't use the portal to just increase the size of his roster. If there is no one available with skills superior to what he's got, or who isn't a good team fit, then, no. He should not add a player from the portal. He would be better off adding another CJ Cox, who was overlooked, is a very good player, and a very good teammate.
Word on the street is Purdues NIL is $2.5 million. IU spent double that this year so yeah, I have an idea of how much it is. You thinking it’s unlimited is just ignorance.
It’s not that you wanted Shaka, who is really good. It’s that you wanted Painter fired, which is one of the dumbest takes of all time (you weren’t alone).
And now we are going to have more money and NIL is only going to be more dominant. He says it himself, he might have to change in the future. It's amazing to me but he's often more willing to change than his biggest fans
Does any program have unlimited NIL money? I'm sure Purdue has a budget, but only a few people know what that budget is or how it compares with the rest of P5 schools. And none of those few people are posting here....
I never said it was unlimited. What I said is that you have no idea what it is. I heard it was north of $4M from my sources.
3. Painter sees a player that is a helpful addition to a team just this close to making a run, like last season.
4. Painter wants a depth piece. Like say next season when we will only have three bigs.
5. A unique player emerges that's near NBA or NBA talent that would instantly elevate the team and he thinks he would also be a cultural and team fit.
At the time, (losing to a 16 seed as a 1 seed and that being a disturbing trend of tourny failures for Painter), it seemed like a logical move. I'm super glad he wasn't and that we went to the FF last year.
Pretty simple. I said it’s common sense that Purdue doesn’t have unlimited NIL and then he said it isn’t common sense. How else would you take that?
I'd probably read his entire post and see that's not what he was saying but that's just me.
Okay, let’s say it’s $4mil. Now how much of that do you think the big 3 are gobbling up? I would say >50%.
