Another great SCOTUS decision!

[The Truffle Shuffle]

If you religious freaks think this is about protecting the sanctity of life, I have a bunch of pyramid schemes I'd like you to consider investing in. If Republicans really cared about the life and a quality of life of a child, they'd vote for and fund programs that would support that, but they don't.

They care about control over people and that's it, plain and simple. The "freedom" party just stripping away individuals rights. You fools are the biggest suckers and idiots there has ever been.

That's what Dems don't understand...Republicans expect you to take care of your own children; not ask for help. They try to limit government involvement (reducing government size and oversight) to lower taxes so you can do just that. Like most Dems, it seems you misunderstand because they don't vote for handouts. Personal responsibility.

 

[tearsforfears]

That's what Dems don't understand...Republicans expect you to take care of your own children; not ask for help. They try to limit government involvement (reducing government size and oversight) to lower taxes so you can do just that. Like most Dems, it seems you misunderstand because they don't vote for handouts. Personal responsibility.

Personal responsibility is absolutely correct. Thank you!

 

[TMan92]

Yeah, actions have consequences. The consequence of sex is a possible child. Wear a condom and take the pill. Do it right, the chances are very small...but there still is a chance. Like I said, you don't want a choice, you want zero responsibility for the choice you already made.

The problem is that this is happening too.

Gov. DeSantis vetoes $2M funding for low-income birth control program

This is the second year in a row the program failed to make the multi-billion dollar budget.

www.wtsp.com

 

[BuilderBob6]

That's what Dems don't understand...Republicans expect you to take care of your own children; not ask for help. They try to limit government involvement (reducing government size and oversight) to lower taxes so you can do just that. Like most Dems, it seems you misunderstand because they don't vote for handouts. Personal responsibility.

They're sure as hell not limiting government involvement on this topic.

Since you consider a baby abay at conception, are you for requiring men to start paying child support at that time? Shouldn't women be able to take out an insurance policy on their baby?

 

[mdthornb]

I probably could have stated it better, But my point was, as several have stated, why not get Congress to pass a law.

let me ask you this, how many protestors were there protesting their situation versus protesting for someone else (such as a liberal from NY who already has access but is protesting for people in Missouri).

There are always going to be people protesting for late terms abortions, because “men” shouldn’t be restricting their freedoms.

America just needs to come to a 50/50 decision…by the extremists will b!tch they didn’t get enough….just like the gun law.

where do you sit on the issue mdthornb? Are you supporting late term abortions?

Also, along the lines of “any ability to consider circumstances outside of your own” do you have any concept as to why people are protesting against abortion? Looking to see if you can comprehend the other side’s cause.

I don’t feel it is my place to tell somebody else what they can do with their body, so I have no answer for you on where I would personally draw the line.

I am comprehend the other side. Many think it is murder. I don’t think there is any other situation where we would allow somebody to forcibly use the body of somebody else to sustain their own life and call them a murderer if they deny the use of their body to somebody else.

 

[mdthornb]

Yeah, actions have consequences. The consequence of sex is a possible child. Wear a condom and take the pill. Do it right, the chances are very small...but there still is a chance. Like I said, you don't want a choice, you want zero responsibility for the choice you already made.

You are taking one of their choices away and them telling them they have to accept the consequences you made up for them. So they have to name the baby “consequence” so they remember that the child is a punishment and so the child can know why it was brought into the world?

 

[mdthornb]

That's what Dems don't understand...Republicans expect you to take care of your own children; not ask for help. They try to limit government involvement (reducing government size and oversight) to lower taxes so you can do just that. Like most Dems, it seems you misunderstand because they don't vote for handouts. Personal responsibility.

The person having an abortion is taking financial responsibility for their child. Are poor people not supposed to have sex? I mean, every form of birth control can fail. Is that the goal here?

 

[mdthornb]

They're sure as hell not limiting government involvement on this topic.

Since you consider a baby abay at conception, are you for requiring men to start paying child support at that time? Shouldn't women be able to take out an insurance policy on their baby?

Does a woman have to be put into a strict medical observational program so that the zygote does not die? Shall she live in a hospital while pregnant? How many zygotes do not survive naturally? Quick search shows that 40-60% of fertilized eggs die before birth. This is a colossal cause of death that I don’t hear much about.

 

[SKYDOG]

Does a woman have to be put into a strict medical observational program so that the zygote does not die? Shall she live in a hospital while pregnant? How many zygotes do not survive naturally? Quick search shows that 40-60% of fertilized eggs die before birth. This is a colossal cause of death that I don’t hear much about.

Most likely these drug addict mothers are the main issue.

 

[The Truffle Shuffle]

The problem is that this is happening too.

Gov. DeSantis vetoes $2M funding for low-income birth control program

This is the second year in a row the program failed to make the multi-billion dollar budget.

www.wtsp.com

I have no idea why DeSantis did that and neither do you. Maybe the people that run that program are corrupt and would waste that money. Maybe the DOH has stocks of birth control for everyone and no one takes advantage of it so the program is superfluous. Maybe DeSantis just doesn't give a shit. Who knows? But you read one article and you already decided.

 

[The Truffle Shuffle]

Does a woman have to be put into a strict medical observational program so that the zygote does not die? Shall she live in a hospital while pregnant? How many zygotes do not survive naturally? Quick search shows that 40-60% of fertilized eggs die before birth. This is a colossal cause of death that I don’t hear much about.

Grow up.

 

[The Truffle Shuffle]

They're sure as hell not limiting government involvement on this topic.

Since you consider a baby abay at conception, are you for requiring men to start paying child support at that time? Shouldn't women be able to take out an insurance policy on their baby?

They're sure as hell not limiting government involvement on this topic. - From a federal level, that's exactly what they are doing. The more you talk the more I think you don't understand how our government works.

Since you consider a baby abay at conception, are you for requiring men to start paying child support at that time? - As a single income husband and father of two, I wouldn't be against it. Probably wouldn't matter though; a deadbeat is a deadbeat no matter what the baby's age.

Shouldn't women be able to take out an insurance policy on their baby? - I didn't know they couldn't. Probably can't because insurance companies are here to make money and having a baby is still a risky proposition.

 

[The Truffle Shuffle]

You are taking one of their choices away and them telling them they have to accept the consequences you made up for them. So they have to name the baby “consequence” so they remember that the child is a punishment and so the child can know why it was brought into the world?

they have to accept the consequences you made up for them. - I made up for them? Don't you mean God? Did these people not know they could have a baby if they had sex?

All actions have consequences. Only a child wouldn't realize that, so again...grow up.

 

[BuilderBob6]

They're sure as hell not limiting government involvement on this topic. - From a federal level, that's exactly what they are doing. The more you talk the more I think you don't understand how our government works.

Since you consider a baby abay at conception, are you for requiring men to start paying child support at that time? - As a single income husband and father of two, I wouldn't be against it. Probably wouldn't matter though; a deadbeat is a deadbeat no matter what the baby's age.

Shouldn't women be able to take out an insurance policy on their baby? - I didn't know they couldn't. Probably can't because insurance companies are here to make money and having a baby is still a risky proposition.

Explain how the state dictating what a pregnant women must do is limiting government involvement.....without the snarky commentary.

 

[The Truffle Shuffle]

Explain how the state dictating what a pregnant women must do is limiting government involvement.....without the snarky commentary.

I said federal. States don't have to do anything.

 

[tearsforfears]

Explain how the state dictating what a pregnant women must do is limiting government involvement.....without the snarky commentary.

Democracy at work. Vote if you want legalized abortion in your state or not. If the federal government isn’t involved, it’s limiting government involvement.

 

[tearsforfears]

I have no idea why DeSantis did that and neither do you. Maybe the people that run that program are corrupt and would waste that money. Maybe the DOH has stocks of birth control for everyone and no one takes advantage of it so the program is superfluous. Maybe DeSantis just doesn't give a shit. Who knows? But you read one article and you already decided.

He posts Aaron Rupar tweets. That should explain the type of person you’re dealing with.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Back to the states where it belongs:

Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade in landmark abortion decision

The Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade Friday, with their ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, ending recognition of a constitutional right to abortion.

www.foxnews.com

Conservatives are so short sighted. About to take over...and then this stupid issue.

 

[BuilderBob6]

I said federal. States don't have to do anything.

The state......as in the governing authority. Can be federal, state, local whatever.

I mean, you aren't really going to hide behind this are you? Without the federal court, the state wouldn't have have control over what a pregnant woman can do. Without a law one way or the other, they are in control on this issue.

If the pubs take enough seats in November, they will try to make federal law. We'll see what you say if that happens.

 

[Chris P Bacon]

The state......as in the governing authority. Can be federal, state, local whatever.

I mean, you aren't really going to hide behind this are you? Without the federal court, the state wouldn't have have control over what a pregnant woman can do. Without a law one way or the other, they are in control on this issue.

If the pubs take enough seats in November, they will try to make federal law. We'll see what you say if that happens.

The amount of stupidity you spew on here daily really is something to behold.

 

[tearsforfears]

By going "back to the States", it gives the Republican party the opportunity to drive home their agenda when they don't have numbers or majority to do it at the national level. The abortion ban is coming if they gain control of the House & Senate.

Good thing the "freedom party" made it so you didn't have to wear a mask at Costco or Wendy's because that would have been tyranny!

If you cannot see the hypocrisy or contradiction in their words and policies, maybe you have more than an affinity for Tucker Carlson.

Lol I still can’t believe you thought masks worked and thanks for the obligatory “anybody who doesn’t agree with liberals must watch Tucker Carlson” Sucker

 

[tearsforfears]

The fact that your pea brain doesn't see that this is going to create more handouts. Speaking of jobs, how are you meaningfully employed while on this site 20 hours a day?

Bob spends more time on this site than I do. Have you ever asked him the same question?

 

[mdthornb]

they have to accept the consequences you made up for them. - I made up for them? Don't you mean God? Did these people not know they could have a baby if they had sex?

All actions have consequences. Only a child wouldn't realize that, so again...grow up.

No, you are the one forcing them to carry through with the pregnancy. God made a world where a pregnancy could be terminated before birth. Otherwise a baby would pop out as soon as the egg was fertilized.

 

[mdthornb]

Grow up.

Why? How many fertilized eggs are we gonna allow to die every year!?! You said that was the point that was important. We spend gobs of money trying g to prevent cancer deaths. Why not these fertilized egg deaths?

 

[mdthornb]

Conservatives are so short sighted. About to take over...and then this stupid issue.

Not short sighted. This was their number one issue for decades.

 

[Chris P Bacon]

No, you are the one forcing them to carry through with the pregnancy.

No one is forcing them to have unprotected sex .. or even sex for that matter... in the first place. They are making that decision .. spin it however you want, but it all starts with the woman .. and man.... deciding to do the deed without protecting themselves.

here this should make it simple for you:

 

[The Truffle Shuffle]

No, you are the one forcing them to carry through with the pregnancy. God made a world where a pregnancy could be terminated before birth. Otherwise a baby would pop out as soon as the egg was fertilized.

God made a world where a pregnancy could be terminated before birth. - Yeah, murder is possible. You can't possibly be saying that abortions were part of God's plan. WTH are you talking about?

 

[The Truffle Shuffle]

Why? How many fertilized eggs are we gonna allow to die every year!?! You said that was the point that was important. We spend gobs of money trying g to prevent cancer deaths. Why not these fertilized egg deaths?

Please tell me this is an act. You can't possibly be like this. If people were going out of their way to intentionally kill heathy fertilized eggs, that's a problem. A lot of fertilized eggs die early due to complications/problems with the embryo. This is natures way of taking care of issues. These embryos wouldn't make it to full term no matter what you did. We learn this in 10th grade biology (or before). This is why it really is pretty difficult to get/stay pregnant...especially without trying. Like I said, grow up and help yourself to a science book.

 

[mdthornb]

God made a world where a pregnancy could be terminated before birth. - Yeah, murder is possible. You can't possibly be saying that abortions were part of God's plan. WTH are you talking about?

Democracy at work. Vote if you want legalized abortion in your state or not. If the federal government isn’t involved, it’s limiting government involvement.
[/QUOTE

Why does god allow so many fertilized eggs (humans to you) to die?

 

[mdthornb]

Please tell me this is an act. You can't possibly be like this. If people were going out of their way to intentionally kill heathy fertilized eggs, that's a problem. A lot of fertilized eggs die early due to complications/problems with the embryo. This is natures way of taking care of issues. These embryos wouldn't make it to full term no matter what you did. We learn this in 10th grade biology (or before). This is why it really is pretty difficult to get/stay pregnant...especially without trying. Like I said, grow up and help yourself to a science book.

Isn’t cancer a complicated/problem with our cellular reproduction? Why do we fight it if it is natures way? It’s not an act. You are the one claiming a fertilized egg is a person and if it is a person how can we not fight to save them? I am just exploring the implications of this claim.

 

[The Truffle Shuffle]

Isn’t cancer a complicated/problem with our cellular reproduction? Why do we fight it if it is natures way? It’s not an act. You are the one claiming a fertilized egg is a person and if it is a person how can we not fight to save them? I am just exploring the implications of this claim.

How many times are you going to restate the same question I already answered?

 

[mdthornb]

How many times are you going to restate the same question I already answered?

You never answered why we should fight cancer and other diseases but not fight to save all fertilized eggs.

 

[The Truffle Shuffle]

You never answered why we should fight cancer and other diseases but not fight to save all fertilized eggs.

Yeah, I did. "These embryos wouldn't make it to full term no matter what you did. We learn this in 10th grade biology (or before)."
There are a million things that have to go perfectly right for an embryo to make it to term. Almost any of them going wrong would cause serious complications or termination of the pregnancy. You can't give an embryo radiation or give the mother Chemo without destroying it. If you don't understand what cancer treatments do to cells or why that would be different for a fully formed human, that's not my problem. Go buy a biology book. The science isn't on your side here, buddy.

 

[mdthornb]

Yeah, I did. "These embryos wouldn't make it to full term no matter what you did. We learn this in 10th grade biology (or before)."
There are a million things that have to go perfectly right for an embryo to make it to term. Almost any of them going wrong would cause serious complications or termination of the pregnancy. You can't give an embryo radiation or give the mother Chemo without destroying it. If you don't understand what cancer treatments do to cells or why that would be different for a fully formed human, that's not my problem. Go buy a biology book. The science isn't on your side here, buddy.

Why do you say they won’t survive no matter what? Surly, we could figure it out with more research and development? Why are we giving up? They are humans and we are doing nothing to help them survive. That’s my point, cancer is something we fight because it saves humans but there is not a push to save all these fertilized eggs that are dying.

Why does god create all these humans that have no chance of surviving?

 

[The Truffle Shuffle]

Why do you say they won’t survive no matter what? Surly, we could figure it out with more research and development? Why are we giving up? They are humans and we are doing nothing to help them survive. That’s my point, cancer is something we fight because it saves humans but there is not a push to save all these fertilized eggs that are dying.

Why does god create all these humans that have no chance of surviving?

There are maternal fetal medicine specialist out there, so I image they work on that very thing. Maybe you can call one of them and ask them why they haven't made any advancements on fetal cancer (assuming that's a thing)?

 

[tearsforfears]

The fact that your pea brain doesn't see that this is going to create more handouts. Speaking of jobs, how are you meaningfully employed while on this site 20 hours a day?

Bob has been on a heater lately and I haven’t seen you ask him if he’s meaningfully employed?? Looks like I have to be in club hate Trump to sit at the cool kids table with the Rupar and Pod Save America bros!

 

[tearsforfears]

How many times are you going to restate the same question I already answered?

He’s the ultimate babbler

 

[ecouch]

The problem is that this is happening too.

Gov. DeSantis vetoes $2M funding for low-income birth control program

This is the second year in a row the program failed to make the multi-billion dollar budget.

www.wtsp.com

That isn't a problem at all.

Why are so many women (if they exist) letting guys dump in them?

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Conservatives are so short sighted. About to take over...and then this stupid issue.

Bump for accuracy

 

[TeddyValentineDidNothingWrong]

That isn't a problem at all.

Why are so many women (if they exist) letting guys dump in them?

That's what the program is trying to prevent. I know it's hard for you to understand but please try.