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And so it Begins!! Joe Biden’s incompetence forces 3M more children into poverty

You title a thread with a lie that is easily debunked in your own link. That's where we are.
The last thread you started was titled with a lie. “Republicans have to choose” was easy to debunk too. We don’t have to choose anything. Stop being so hypocritical while fake policing this place and trying to get rid of things you don’t agree with. It’s childish.
 
You title a thread with a lie that is easily debunked in your own link. That's where we are.
@BuilderBob6
Debunk this….

Remember when everyone was pushing for $15/hr during the 2020 election?

Now…

"I'm genuinely worried about the future," Byron says. "What's going to happen to the people making $15 and $18 an hour and the single mothers and people who have mouths to feed? It's very scary to me."

 
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🤡. Let’s go Brandon!

Yay liberals!!

This isn't a liberal thing. This is a Congress thing. Which, again, you know, but you're counting on the stupidity of your friends on here to just pick it up and run with it (which I see Indy Rider already has without doing an iota of research).
 
🤡. Let’s go Brandon!

Yay liberals!!

So, the policy that Biden and the Democrats put in place that significantly reduced child poverty has now expired, thanks largely to Republicans' unwillingness to continue it, but it's somehow Biden's fault that those kids who were moved OUT of poverty by Biden and Democrats have now fallen back into it?

Were you in support of the expanded child tax credit? Because, without it, the poverty rate would've never dropped in order for it to now rise again so you could criticize it. Based on your post history, I'd suspect you're actually against the government giving out "free money," so the expiration of the tax credit (and resulting increase in poverty) is a good thing, right? Because the government is giving fewer handouts?
 
Lol. So you completely changed the thread........because you leapt to a ridiculous conclusion unsupported by your link.

God you want it so bad.
Yes, I misread a title…but does the story really change? Only 3M children move to poverty. Do you think this administration is capable of moving this economy forward.

Inflation is caused by spending and that’s the only thing this administration and the progressives know.
 
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So, the policy that Biden and the Democrats put in place that significantly reduced child poverty has now expired, thanks largely to Republicans' unwillingness to continue it, but it's somehow Biden's fault that those kids who were moved OUT of poverty by Biden and Democrats have now fallen back into it?

Were you in support of the expanded child tax credit? Because, without it, the poverty rate would've never dropped in order for it to now rise again so you could criticize it. Based on your post history, I'd suspect you're actually against the government giving out "free money," so the expiration of the tax credit (and resulting increase in poverty) is a good thing, right? Because the government is giving fewer handouts?
Maybe Biden should have helped the poor more and spend less supplementing the able bodies collecting unemployment last year.

Also, Biden has cleared college debt for millions and is considering more for people making over $80k….those people aren’t poor
 
Maybe Biden should have helped the poor more and spend less supplementing the able bodies collecting unemployment last year.

Also, Biden has cleared college debt for millions and is considering more for people making over $80k….those people aren’t poor
Ahhh, I was wondering when the whataboutism and moving of the goalposts was going to happen. Didn't take long.
 
Maybe Biden should have helped the poor more and spend less supplementing the able bodies collecting unemployment last year.
What does this have to do with the expanded child tax credit, which you no doubt opposed as just another government handout? This is what they call a "whataboutism."
Also, Biden has cleared college debt for millions and is considering more for people making over $80k….those people aren’t poor
What does this have to do with the expanded child tax credit, which you no doubt opposed as just another government handout? This is what they call a "whataboutism."

In this thread, you're criticizing Biden and the Democrats because a program that they created that significantly reduced child poverty expired (largely thanks to a lack of Republican support), thus, the number of children in poverty returned to something more like its previous levels. But, you wouldn't have supported the program in the first place, so those kids would've just STAYED in poverty rather than moving out of it for a few months. If you don't support the expanded child tax credit, then you have absolutely no leg to stand on here. And if you DO support the expanded child tax credit, then you should be criticizing Manchin, Sinema, and every Republican who opposed its continuation, not the folks who created it in the first place.

In reality, I suspect that when your initial post was so easily proven false, you had to desperately seek out something, anything, that would support that post's underlying message -- that Joe Biden causes poverty -- lest you actually be forced to admit that you were wrong, that you hastily found this article and didn't bother to give it any thought. There's plenty of things to criticize the current administration for, but the expiration of a program (that you didn't agree with in the first place) thanks to the opposition party can't possibly be one of them, right? I mean, if you called on Joe Biden to reinstate the expanded child tax credit and get kids out of poverty, which party do you think would agree with you and which party do you think would disagree with you?
 
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Yes, I misread a title…but does the story really change? Only 3M children move to poverty. Do you think this administration is capable of moving this economy forward.

Inflation is caused by spending and that’s the only thing this administration and the progressives know.
The inflation we have now is caused by government spending? Are you sure?
 
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The inflation we have now is caused by government spending? Are you sure?
YES.


Estimating the impact of the American Rescue Plan​

No magic formula can reveal precisely how much the American Rescue Plan fueled inflation, but the general consensus is that it was a contributor. Some economists estimate that it added two percentage points to the rate, some say it added up to four percentage points. Put another way, out of the 8.5% rate in March, the measure accounted for something between one quarter to one half of inflation.

When is Biden going to tell the truth about the causes of inflation instead of blaming Putin, etc, etc.???

 
What does this have to do with the expanded child tax credit, which you no doubt opposed as just another government handout? This is what they call a "whataboutism."

What does this have to do with the expanded child tax credit, which you no doubt opposed as just another government handout? This is what they call a "whataboutism."

In this thread, you're criticizing Biden and the Democrats because a program that they created that significantly reduced child poverty expired (largely thanks to a lack of Republican support), thus, the number of children in poverty returned to something more like its previous levels. But, you wouldn't have supported the program in the first place, so those kids would've just STAYED in poverty rather than moving out of it for a few months. If you don't support the expanded child tax credit, then you have absolutely no leg to stand on here. And if you DO support the expanded child tax credit, then you should be criticizing Manchin, Sinema, and every Republican who opposed its continuation, not the folks who created it in the first place.

In reality, I suspect that when your initial post was so easily proven false, you had to desperately seek out something, anything, that would support that post's underlying message -- that Joe Biden causes poverty -- lest you actually be forced to admit that you were wrong, that you hastily found this article and didn't bother to give it any thought. There's plenty of things to criticize the current administration for, but the expiration of a program (that you didn't agree with in the first place) thanks to the opposition party can't possibly be one of them, right? I mean, if you called on Joe Biden to reinstate the expanded child tax credit and get kids out of poverty, which party do you think would agree with you and which party do you think would disagree with you?
Please find where I have criticized giving to the poor?

I criticize giving unemployment benefits to able body workers who want to sit in their basement.

I rail against student debt forgiveness being paid to people above the poverty line.

I think is absurd for the left to ask for free child care, when they should be asking for free child care for people making below the poverty line.

I am for helping the poor.

Biden is for giving away money to everyone (making less than $100k), thus, many who aren’t “poor.”

feel free to scour my posts, I doubt you’ll find much
 
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Please find where I have criticized giving to the poor?

I criticize giving unemployment benefits to able body workers who want to sit in their basement.

I rail against student debt forgiveness being paid to people above the poverty line.

I think is absurd for the left to ask for free child care, when they should be asking for free child care for people making below the poverty line.

I am for helping the poor.

Biden is for giving away money to everyone, including many who aren’t poor.

feel free to scour my posts, I doubt you’ll find much
That’s weird. I haven’t gotten any extra money from Biden. You wouldn’t happen to be lying again, would you?
 
That’s weird. I haven’t gotten any extra money from Biden. You wouldn’t happen to be lying again, would you?
Knee slap, funny. Key being “extra” money.

Answer me this PF1….where did the $1.9T go?

Is Biden not considering eliminating $10k college debt for all debt holders? How many college debt holders are above the poverty line PF1?
 
YES.


Estimating the impact of the American Rescue Plan​

No magic formula can reveal precisely how much the American Rescue Plan fueled inflation, but the general consensus is that it was a contributor. Some economists estimate that it added two percentage points to the rate, some say it added up to four percentage points. Put another way, out of the 8.5% rate in March, the measure accounted for something between one quarter to one half of inflation.

When is Biden going to tell the truth about the causes of inflation instead of blaming Putin, etc, etc.???

So "contributed" is the same as "caused"? Lol. Being accurate doesn't matter anymore. Just throw stuff out and be outraged, that's the formula.

There is zero doubt the
Rescue plan contributed to inflation. There is also zero doubt inflation is high......and in some cases, at record levels in countries around the world. The rescue plan had nothing to do with that.

Covid is the common denominator among these countries. There is no doubt the economic factors from Covid is the driving force behind inflation. You know it, you just can't say it because the intent is always to blame Biden.

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Pissoff. I don't work on your schedule.
 
So "contributed" is the same as "caused"? Lol. Being accurate doesn't matter anymore. Just throw stuff out and be outraged, that's the formula.

There is zero doubt the
Rescue plan contributed to inflation. There is also zero doubt inflation is high......and in some cases, at record levels in countries around the world. The rescue plan had nothing to do with that.

Covid is the common denominator among these countries. There is no doubt the economic factors from Covid is the driving force behind inflation. You know it, you just can't say it because the intent is always to blame Biden.

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Pissoff. I don't work on your schedule.
Speaking of COVID…Didn’t Biden say he ended COVID last summer. Thus delivering his campaign promise to end COVID.

hows that working out?

So Biden’s inability to deliver on his campaign promise was the other key factor in the high inflation number.🤔

Wasn’t the Biden cloth mask the key to ending COVID?
 
Knee slap, funny. Key being “extra” money.

Answer me this PF1….where did the $1.9T go?

Is Biden not considering eliminating $10k college debt for all debt holders? How many college debt holders are above the poverty line PF1?
You said everyone got money. I’m just pointing out that that’s not true. No need to try to whataboutism your way out of it.
 
Please find where I have criticized giving to the poor?

I criticize giving unemployment benefits to able body workers who want to sit in their basement.

I rail against student debt forgiveness being paid to people above the poverty line.

I think is absurd for the left to ask for free child care, when they should be asking for free child care for people making below the poverty line.
But, again, none of this has anything to do with the article you posted and your suggestion that Biden and Democrats are to blame for 3.7 million kids falling below the poverty line. Stop trying to change the subject.
I am for helping the poor.
Cool. So are you saying you support the expanded child tax credit? At least for the poor? If so, why are you criticizing the people who CREATED that program rather than the people who refused to continue it? The 3.7 million kids who entered poverty at the beginning of 2022 did so because of mostly Republicans. Biden and Democrats are the reason there were ever OUT of poverty to begin with. So your entire premise here is completely flawed. How is this (and by "this" I mean "this specific issue" as in "kids in poverty because of the expiration of the expanded child tax credit," not some other Biden economic policy that is not relevant to this particular story) the fault of Biden and Democrats (Manchin and Sinema notwithstanding)?

Just friggin' admit you are wrong about this specific thing and then, by all means, go back to railing against inflation.
 
You said everyone got money. I’m just pointing out that that’s not true. No need to try to whataboutism your way out of it.
I missed where I said “everyone got money”.

I know I never received a check from Joe, so if I said that, I was incorrect.
 
But, again, none of this has anything to do with the article you posted and your suggestion that Biden and Democrats are to blame for 3.7 million kids falling below the poverty line. Stop trying to change the subject.

Cool. So are you saying you support the expanded child tax credit? At least for the poor? If so, why are you criticizing the people who CREATED that program rather than the people who refused to continue it? The 3.7 million kids who entered poverty at the beginning of 2022 did so because of mostly Republicans. Biden and Democrats are the reason there were ever OUT of poverty to begin with. So your entire premise here is completely flawed. How is this (and by "this" I mean "this specific issue" as in "kids in poverty because of the expiration of the expanded child tax credit," not some other Biden economic policy that is not relevant to this particular story) the fault of Biden and Democrats (Manchin and Sinema notwithstanding)?

Just friggin' admit you are wrong about this specific thing and then, by all means, go back to railing against inflation.
How did the Republicans put the 3.7MM kids into poverty.

Record low poverty. Let me know how Biden get ends up this year or where he is today.

 
Speaking of COVID…Didn’t Biden say he ended COVID last summer. Thus delivering his campaign promise to end COVID.

hows that working out?

So Biden’s inability to deliver on his campaign promise was the other key factor in the high inflation number.🤔

Wasn’t the Biden cloth mask the key to ending COVID?
So you deflect to something else.
The rescue plan contributed to inflation but was not the CAUSE of inflation. I'm repeating it so maybe you won't say it again in a couple weeks in another thread. That's what always seems to happen these days.

The effect of Covid on the economy came from the shutdowns at the beginning of the pandemic. Months of greatly reduced production of goods......all across the globe mind you, created the backlog of demand while supply was drastically cut.

But you're reaching yet again for a Biden blame. His promise was never going to happen, he did it to get elected. You can blame him for that, no problem. But ending Covid isn't up to the president when it's a worldwide pandemic. The country was back to work last summer, the damage had been done.

But if the virus had just "gone away" like another president said it would, we wouldn't have had any problems. To be clear, that was never going to happen and trump isn't to blame for the virus. Just pointing out that both presidents said dumb sh!t.

No, the cloth mask wasn't the key to ending Covid. Why don't you post a link where somebody said that instead of grasping at straws once again.
 
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I missed where I said “everyone got money”.

I know I never received a check from Joe, so if I said that, I was incorrect.
You said above, and I quote: “Biden is for giving money away to everyone, including many who aren’t poor”. Maybe you can find out where my check is? Because I’d be all for it.
 
How did the Republicans put the 3.7MM kids into poverty.
In the particular situation referenced by the article YOU posted, the expiration of the expanded child tax credit resulted in 3.7 million kids falling below the poverty line. Republicans opposed the continuation of the expanded child tax credit. Biden and (most) Democrats supported the continuation of the expanded child tax credit. Therefore, in this particular instance, Republicans are to blame.
Record low poverty. Let me know how Biden get ends up this year or where he is today.

Yet another deflection. Your original post in this thread was not about broad economic factors. It was about 3.7 million kids and specifically about the expiration of the expanded child tax credit. You blamed Biden for pushing more kids into poverty due to the expiration of the expanded child tax credit. But, Republicans are the ones who supported the expiration of the expanded child tax credit. About this specific issue, YOU ARE WRONG, and obviously, demonstrably so. Yet, you continue to refuse to admit it and to pretend like you were actually talking about something else. If you are upset that 3.7 million kids fell below the poverty line at the beginning of 2022 due to the expiration of the expanded child tax credit, you MUST assign the blame to those who opposed the continuation of the program. Otherwise, you are being completely intellectually dishonest.

Since I've now said the same thing about 4 times, and you continue to refuse to even acknowledge my point, let alone admit that you are obviously wrong about the issue that YOU brought up in the first place, I'm done.
 
You said above, and I quote: “Biden is for giving money away to everyone, including many who aren’t poor”. Maybe you can find out where my check is? Because I’d be all for it.
Corrected to state….
Biden is for giving away money to everyone (making less than $100k), thus, many who aren’t “poor.”

The entire statement taken into context stated “many who aren’t poor”…so while you are technically correct…the statement itself was clearly meant to mean giving away money to include the population of people he was giving money to (stimulus package $100k limit for example)
 
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In the particular situation referenced by the article YOU posted, the expiration of the expanded child tax credit resulted in 3.7 million kids falling below the poverty line. Republicans opposed the continuation of the expanded child tax credit. Biden and (most) Democrats supported the continuation of the expanded child tax credit. Therefore, in this particular instance, Republicans are to blame.

Yet another deflection. Your original post in this thread was not about broad economic factors. It was about 3.7 million kids and specifically about the expiration of the expanded child tax credit. You blamed Biden for pushing more kids into poverty due to the expiration of the expanded child tax credit. But, Republicans are the ones who supported the expiration of the expanded child tax credit. About this specific issue, YOU ARE WRONG, and obviously, demonstrably so. Yet, you continue to refuse to admit it and to pretend like you were actually talking about something else. If you are upset that 3.7 million kids fell below the poverty line at the beginning of 2022 due to the expiration of the expanded child tax credit, you MUST assign the blame to those who opposed the continuation of the program. Otherwise, you are being completely intellectually dishonest.

Since I've now said the same thing about 4 times, and you continue to refuse to even acknowledge my point, let alone admit that you are obviously wrong about the issue that YOU brought up in the first place, I'm done.
Democrats control Congress. Why wasn’t reconciliation used? Republicans cannot block budget items.

 
Democrats control Congress. Why wasn’t reconciliation used? Republicans cannot block budget items.

This is such a ridiculous statement that I just had to jump back in for a moment. See if you can figure out which people were in favor of a budget reconciliation measure to continue the expanded child tax credit, among other things, and which people were not in favor of a budget reconciliation measure to continue the expanded child tax credit. Perhaps, you will then see which people you should be criticizing for the expiration of the expanded child tax credit. In this thread, you are blaming the people who tried to sustain this program for its expiration rather than blamong the people who did not support this program, thereby allowing it to expire, thus being the cause of 3.7 million kids falling below poverty line.

You are so desperate to blame this on Biden that you are completely tied up in knots.
 
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This is such a ridiculous statement that I just had to jump back in for a moment. See if you can figure out which people were in favor of a budget reconciliation measure to continue the expanded child tax credit, among other things, and which people were not in favor of a budget reconciliation measure to continue the expanded child tax credit. Perhaps, you will then see which people you should be criticizing for the expiration of the expanded child tax credit. In this thread, you are blaming the people who tried to sustain this program for its expiration rather than blamong the people who did not support this program, thereby allowing it to expire, thus being the cause of 3.7 million kids falling below poverty line.

You are so desperate to blame this on Biden that you are completely tied up in knots.
😢.

The reason they fell into poverty has little to do with the tax credit. They fell into poverty due to rising prices and Biden inflation…but you do you.

As for being desperate…I’m not nearly as desperate as the individuals trying to cope with rising gas/energy and food prices.

Let’s Go Brandon!🤡
 
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This is such a ridiculous statement that I just had to jump back in for a moment. See if you can figure out which people were in favor of a budget reconciliation measure to continue the expanded child tax credit, among other things, and which people were not in favor of a budget reconciliation measure to continue the expanded child tax credit. Perhaps, you will then see which people you should be criticizing for the expiration of the expanded child tax credit. In this thread, you are blaming the people who tried to sustain this program for its expiration rather than blamong the people who did not support this program, thereby allowing it to expire, thus being the cause of 3.7 million kids falling below poverty line.

You are so desperate to blame this on Biden that you are completely tied up in knots.
I don’t think the poster is desperate to blame this on Biden. It’s just that Biden is an easy target to blame most everything on since everything he touches or is relatively near turns to crap. What’s he improved during his tenure thus far? Nothing is getting better.
 
😢.

The reason they fell into poverty has little to do with the tax credit. They fell into poverty due to rising prices and Biden inflation…but you do you.

As for being desperate…I’m not nearly as desperate as the individuals trying to cope with rising gas/energy and food prices.

Let’s Go Brandon!🤡
Just wait the party in favor of supporting kids will blame Republicans for allowing more to be born into poverty
 
😢.

The reason they fell into poverty has little to do with the tax credit. They fell into poverty due to rising prices and Biden inflation…but you do you.

As for being desperate…I’m not nearly as desperate as the individuals trying to cope with rising gas/energy and food prices.

Let’s Go Brandon!🤡
If you're going to argue something that's completely different than, and not supported by, the article you posted, then why post an article in the first place? YOUR article, specifically, says 3.7 million kids fell into poverty due to the expiration of the tax credit.

"The 4.9 percentage point (41 percent) increase in poverty represents 3.7 million more children in poverty due to the expiration of the monthly Child Tax Credit payments."

Is the article wrong?

If your intention was to argue that inflation was pushing people in poverty, why did you post an article that talks about the expiration of the tax credit rather than one that talks about the impact of inflation on poverty rates? The lengths you go to avoid admitting you're wrong are comical.

Have a good day.
 
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Just wait the party in favor of supporting kids will blame Republicans for allowing more to be born into poverty
Yeah they support kids so much that they pulled them out of school for too long and then when they went back to school, they made those poor children wear masks when they shouldn’t have had to. The citizens won’t forget what Democrats did to our children.
 
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If you're going to argue something that's completely different than, and not supported by, the article you posted, then why post an article in the first place? YOUR article, specifically, says 3.7 million kids fell into poverty due to the expiration of the tax credit.

"The 4.9 percentage point (41 percent) increase in poverty represents 3.7 million more children in poverty due to the expiration of the monthly Child Tax Credit payments."

Is the article wrong?

If your intention was to argue that inflation was pushing people in poverty, why did you post an article that talks about the expiration of the tax credit rather than one that talks about the impact of inflation on poverty rates? The lengths you go to avoid admitting you're wrong are comical.

Have a good day.
OK I was wrong.

But for some reason 3MM people fell below the poverty line. Can you admit that inflation caused 3MM people to fall below the poverty and that government spending led to inflation? And that the Democrats/Biden approved spending, thus caused the inflation?

Brandon economics.


 
O....M...G.....
OK I was wrong.
Thank you.
But for some reason 3MM people fell below the poverty line. Can you admit that inflation caused 3MM people to fall below the poverty and that government spending led to inflation? And that the Democrats/Biden approved spending, thus caused the inflation?

Brandon economics.

What do the economic policies of the Biden administration have to do with the people who fell below the poverty line due to inflation between 2004 and 2018? Let me guess, you googled "inflation causes poverty," or something to that effect, and then found an article that appeared to support your point without looking at the date on it?

And did you actually read it? This article discusses the difference in the impact of inflation on people of different income levels and also criticizes Trump-era policies that would've made things worse for those who needed it most:

"Despite this evidence, which shows that our current practice of using aggregate inflation measures significantly understates income inequality and poverty, recent proposals by the Trump administration seek to use smaller inflation rates to adjust the poverty threshold. Doing so would result in a lower poverty line and lower official poverty rates over time. This would, in turn, mean that fewer and fewer low-income Americans would find themselves eligible for federal benefits, which have been shown to reduce the poverty level substantially.

Taking seriously the actual inflation rates faced by those at the bottom of the income distribution indicates that we currently have a too-rosy view of the actual levels of deprivation faced by those at the bottom of the income distribution. We should be doing more, not less, to help them make ends meet."

I'm sure there are a number of people who have fallen below the poverty line in the last year and a half and some of them likely did so because of inflation. I'm betting it's less than 3 million, but probably more than in other 1.5-year periods thanks to a higher-then-normal inflation rate. But, yet again, the article you've posted has nothing to do with the point you're trying to make.

Ok, for real, I'm done here. Thank you for at least admitting you were wrong about the cause of the 3.7 million kids who fell into poverty between Dec. 2021 and Jan. 2022. I look forward to your post condemning Republicans for not supporting a program that significantly reduced child poverty.
 
O....M...G.....

Thank you.

What do the economic policies of the Biden administration have to do with the people who fell below the poverty line due to inflation between 2004 and 2018? Let me guess, you googled "inflation causes poverty," or something to that effect, and then found an article that appeared to support your point without looking at the date on it?

And did you actually read it? This article discusses the difference in the impact of inflation on people of different income levels and also criticizes Trump-era policies that would've made things worse for those who needed it most:

"Despite this evidence, which shows that our current practice of using aggregate inflation measures significantly understates income inequality and poverty, recent proposals by the Trump administration seek to use smaller inflation rates to adjust the poverty threshold. Doing so would result in a lower poverty line and lower official poverty rates over time. This would, in turn, mean that fewer and fewer low-income Americans would find themselves eligible for federal benefits, which have been shown to reduce the poverty level substantially.

Taking seriously the actual inflation rates faced by those at the bottom of the income distribution indicates that we currently have a too-rosy view of the actual levels of deprivation faced by those at the bottom of the income distribution. We should be doing more, not less, to help them make ends meet."

I'm sure there are a number of people who have fallen below the poverty line in the last year and a half and some of them likely did so because of inflation. I'm betting it's less than 3 million, but probably more than in other 1.5-year periods thanks to a higher-then-normal inflation rate. But, yet again, the article you've posted has nothing to do with the point you're trying to make.

Ok, for real, I'm done here. Thank you for at least admitting you were wrong about the cause of the 3.7 million kids who fell into poverty between Dec. 2021 and Jan. 2022. I look forward to your post condemning Republicans for not supporting a program that significantly reduced child poverty.
For real real?
 
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