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3.3 yards per attempt, he was not sacked once, not really pressured at all. Two big drops. A bail out PI on a badly thrown deep ball, and a miss on what was going to be a 50 yard gain or even a 97 yard TD.

You can’t win with this QB play and the OC not finding him easy throws to gain yardage. We definitely have a WR problem with Edrine now out a while, and CJ Smith may never play a snap for us, so there is no speed. But Harrell has got to come up with something in the short to intermediate area to help move the ball. The OL is fine and the backs are good.

We obviously have issues containing the edges on D, but those guys are just hung out to dry by the offense. I don’t want to here a peep about the defensive scheme tonight.
 
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Rodeopepper said:
I thought Walters needed to cut bait on Harrell last year lest they meet the same fate. Now Walters has to double down on a bad bet and it will cost everyone another year. This is exactly why you don’t hire a coach without a staff or a damn strong coaching tree.
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Not saying ole Harrell shouldn't be axed, but I'd like to see what this offense looks like with a consistent QB who can drive the ball down field. Usually you see a QB change to see if you can get a spark. Not sure if these coaches are with it enough to try it though. Walters seems stubborn, and Harrell seems really slow.

Then again, the other 2 QBs may blow as well.
 
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HUD628 said:
3.3 yards per attempt, he was not sacked once, not really pressured at all. Two big drops. A bail out PI on a badly thrown deep ball, and a miss on what was going to be a 50 yard gain or even a 97 yard TD.

You can’t win with this QB play and the OC not finding him easy throws to gain yardage. We definitely have a WR problem with Edrine now out a while, and CJ Smith may never play a snap for us, so there is no speed. But Harrell has got to come up with something in the short to intermediate area to help move the ball. The OL is fine and the backs are good.

We obviously have issues containing the edges on D, but those guys are just hung out to dry by the offense. I don’t want to here a peep about the defensive scheme tonight.
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Yeah, 350 yards of rushing against a team that doesn't pass. Lets not talk scheme though. The offense was moving the ball in Q4 and the defense found a way to collapse. This was a total team effort toward failure...
 
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I could not understand in the blow out loss to Notre dame that we didn’t at least give our second string some reps. Are they trying to protect his red shirt status?
 
Wolegib said:
I could not understand in the blow out loss to Notre dame that we didn’t at least give our second string some reps. Are they trying to protect his red shirt status?
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CRW said he wanted the starters to get live reps in against good competition. Remember they played ISU which was essentially air and then had the off week. In theory, i didn't have an issue with it. However, Card completely sucked that game andCard doesn't have that ability to shake off a slow start and then get hot.
 
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If you are losing by 50 or winning by 50, there is no need to keep your starters in the game.
 
Wolegib said:
If you are losing by 50 or winning by 50, there is no need to keep your starters in the game.
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Maybe they were being punished for a lack of effort. Coaches were letting the starters play it out so the final score was all on them . And if anyone got hurt doesn’t look like a problem replacing them as the team will lose with them or without them.
 
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purduepat1969 said:
Yeah, 350 yards of rushing against a team that doesn't pass. Lets not talk scheme though. The offense was moving the ball in Q4 and the defense found a way to collapse. This was a total team effort toward failure...
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The offense was given the ball on the OSU 28 by the defense like 2 minutes into the game, and the QB gave it right back. Then a pick 6. This offense was responsible for a 10-14 point swing in a negative way right at the start. The QB had 1 completion for a gain at halftime. He really stepped it up in the 2nd though, completing 5 for 24 yards.

The defense was ok in the 1st half despite getting completely screwed by the offense. Lost a couple guys to injury and fell off in the 2nd. It’s tough when your offense gives points to the opponent and then does nothing until down 17 late in the game.
 
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HUD628 said:
3.3 yards per attempt, he was not sacked once, not really pressured at all. Two big drops. A bail out PI on a badly thrown deep ball, and a miss on what was going to be a 50 yard gain or even a 97 yard TD.

You can’t win with this QB play and the OC not finding him easy throws to gain yardage. We definitely have a WR problem with Edrine now out a while, and CJ Smith may never play a snap for us, so there is no speed. But Harrell has got to come up with something in the short to intermediate area to help move the ball. The OL is fine and the backs are good.

We obviously have issues containing the edges on D, but those guys are just hung out to dry by the offense. I don’t want to here a peep about the defensive scheme tonight.
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Not a peep! Giving up 30 plus points to OSU had nothing to do with a poor defensive scheme........Not a peep!
F off fool.
 
Bippus33 said:
Not a peep! Giving up 30 plus points to OSU had nothing to do with a poor defensive scheme........Not a peep!
F off fool.
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esp after scoring drives to seize momentum, twice in the 2nd half we score 2 td's and try to make a comeback but the D just gets mowed
 
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HUD628 said:
The offense was given the ball on the OSU 28 by the defense like 2 minutes into the game, and the QB gave it right back. Then a pick 6. This offense was responsible for a 10-14 point swing in a negative way right at the start. The QB had 1 completion for a gain at halftime. He really stepped it up in the 2nd though, completing 5 for 24 yards.

The defense was ok in the 1st half despite getting completely screwed by the offense. Lost a couple guys to injury and fell off in the 2nd. It’s tough when your offense gives points to the opponent and then does nothing until down 17 late in the game.
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This defense sucks. 40 minutes of possession and 341 yards rushing given up to a not very good Oregon State team.

A week after 66 points and 362 yards rushing given up to a meh ND team.

And even if you think the offense is worse, Walters is responsible for that too.
 
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HUD628 said:
The offense was given the ball on the OSU 28 by the defense like 2 minutes into the game, and the QB gave it right back. Then a pick 6. This offense was responsible for a 10-14 point swing in a negative way right at the start. The QB had 1 completion for a gain at halftime. He really stepped it up in the 2nd though, completing 5 for 24 yards.

The defense was ok in the 1st half despite getting completely screwed by the offense. Lost a couple guys to injury and fell off in the 2nd. It’s tough when your offense gives points to the opponent and then does nothing until down 17 late in the game.
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I'm not arguing the debacle of the first half. What I am saying is that the defense collapsed when the offense finally did come alive. And so it's a total team failure.
 
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purduepat1969 said:
I'm not arguing the debacle of the first half. What I am saying is that the defense collapsed when the offense finally did come alive. And so it's a total team failure.
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It was. But I am just so disappointed in the offense. I firmly believe if they had done what they should've early on, we'd have won that game. There were a couple big drops, but the QB was just terrible, and the OC isn't getting him anything easy to help. Being terrible on offense was the number one thing that could not happen with this team, and here we are.
 
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HUD628 said:
It was. But I am just so disappointed in the offense. I firmly believe if they had done what they should've early on, we'd have won that game. There were a couple big drops, but the QB was just terrible, and the OC isn't getting him anything easy to help. Being terrible on offense was the number one thing that could not happen with this team, and here we are.
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The defense showed a pulse a few times but you could also argue the offense did too with Mock and Loves good running.

The issue with the defense is a lack of consistent fundamentals and any awareness of what the other team is doing. Any and every other team will feast on our D in the run game on the edges. We do t and can’t adjust.

Having a few bright spots doesn’t make a good D. It’s consistent performance that does and we aren’t close to having it.

If we switched tomorrow to a 5-2-4 and went to a traditional 2 high look and played more zone this defense would be immediately better. Won’t happen though.
 
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HUD628 said:
The offense was given the ball on the OSU 28 by the defense like 2 minutes into the game, and the QB gave it right back. Then a pick 6. This offense was responsible for a 10-14 point swing in a negative way right at the start. The QB had 1 completion for a gain at halftime. He really stepped it up in the 2nd though, completing 5 for 24 yards.

The defense was ok in the 1st half despite getting completely screwed by the offense. Lost a couple guys to injury and fell off in the 2nd. It’s tough when your offense gives points to the opponent and then does nothing until down 17 late in the game.
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Yeah most of this was on the offense IMO.

Holding a team to 10 pts in a half is outstanding for a defense, eventually the defense broke down and fell apart but if the offense wasn't so disjointed they aren't out there for so long.

The rushing attack was banging and Card didn't face a lot of pressure so it points me to:

Card was bad. Whether he let the fluke INT rattle him or what I don't know but he was inaccurate all game and seemed antsy in the pocket to me.

The receivers were bad. I didn't see a ton of separation and at least 2 critical drops.

The play calling was bad. You're gashing them on the ground. Your passing game isn't working. Pound the rock.
 
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I'm starting to think this is more on Harrel than on Card. There's no way Card has become that bad. It is possible he's not making the right reads, but it's the OC's responsibility to call plays that put him in a position to make high % throws or check out of a play if he sees something different at the line.
 
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The defense showed a pulse a few times but you could also argue the offense did too with Mock and Loves good running.

The issue with the defense is a lack of consistent fundamentals and any awareness of what the other team is doing. Any and every other team will feast on our D in the run game on the edges. We do t and can’t adjust.

Having a few bright spots doesn’t make a good D. It’s consistent performance that does and we aren’t close to having it.

If we switched tomorrow to a 5-2-4 and went to a traditional 2 high look and played more zone this defense would be immediately better. Won’t happen though.
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Can anyone explain to me why our DEs always drive inside at the snap? It is so consistent I have to believe it is coached. Like they are trying to tie up blockers so the LBs can get a clean shot at the runner. If it is intentional it seems a bad plan when the LBs are so slow. Totally losing contain and giving up the edge.
 
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Can anyone explain to me why our DEs always drive inside at the snap? It is so consistent I have to believe it is coached. Like they are trying to tie up blockers so the LBs can get a clean shot at the runner. If it is intentional it seems a bad plan when the LBs are so slow. Totally losing contain and giving up the edge.
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correct.

It’s not an awful strategy overall (to employ AT TIMES) but Scourton is gone, KJ is playing MLB for god knows what reason and we don’t get to the QB as well.

When the Offense knows what you are doing every play it’s real easy to beat and that’s what we are seeing.

If we just ditched the scheme and tackled better this defense would immediately be serviceable. It’s not the players.
 
qazplm said:
Yeah most of this was on the offense IMO.

Holding a team to 10 pts in a half is outstanding for a defense, eventually the defense broke down and fell apart but if the offense wasn't so disjointed they aren't out there for so long.

The rushing attack was banging and Card didn't face a lot of pressure so it points me to:

Card was bad. Whether he let the fluke INT rattle him or what I don't know but he was inaccurate all game and seemed antsy in the pocket to me.

The receivers were bad. I didn't see a ton of separation and at least 2 critical drops.

The play calling was bad. You're gashing them on the ground. Your passing game isn't working. Pound the rock.
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Yeah I mean the defense was on the field for like 30 of the first 45 minutes of the game. Part of that was that they did allow a couple long drives, but they also got stops, and the offense repeatedly went 3 and out and that was an improvement over the turnovers they had at the start lol. Really pretty predictable that the defense totally collapses at some point.
 
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Old Gold n Black said:
He is a bit old at 76. But hey, maybe we could lure him in with some NIL money. He might actually add some pop to the defense.
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My thoughts about Ruby go back to the ND game. We’re down by 50. Surely there was a guy much like Rudy on the practice team that could have gone in and played a couple of downs.
 
Wolegib said:
My thoughts about Ruby go back to the ND game. We’re down by 50. Surely there was a guy much like Rudy on the practice team that could have gone in and played a couple of downs.
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So ND could score 80 ? No thanks. You do that when you’re UP big, not down big…
 
purduepat1969 said:
Yeah, 350 yards of rushing against a team that doesn't pass. Lets not talk scheme though. The offense was moving the ball in Q4 and the defense found a way to collapse. This was a total team effort toward failure...
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Good news is your play Nebraska who also loves to find ways to collapse.
 
pboiler18 said:
Dust off the old veer or wing t playbook and you can name the score!

We might be so bad vs the run that teams just won’t even bother to pass it. Then Walters will tout how good the secondary is!
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I bet if Thieneman broke the huddle and immediately lined up really close to the LOS this wouldn’t be an issue at all
 
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HUD628 said:
I bet if Thieneman broke the huddle and immediately lined up really close to the LOS this wouldn’t be an issue at all
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I think if he played 10-15 yards off the LOS and we played more zone he could help a whole hell of a lot more in the run game. Go watch the Oregon St highlights tho. He took some awful angles again and missed 4-5 real key tackles. If your stopper is that far off the ball , not stopping and having no impact in the pass game…what good is he?

I also think if we contained QBs better instead of immediately crashing inside and sending 5-6 aggressively after the QB every play we’d be better in the run game too. I’d ask our coach…if something isn’t working…why keep doing it?
 
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I think if he played 10-15 yards off the LOS and we played more zone he could help a whole hell of a lot more in the run game. Go watch the Oregon St highlights tho. He took some awful angles again and missed 4-5 real key tackles. If your stopper is that far off the ball , not stopping and having no impact in the pass game…what good is he?

I also think if we contained QBs better instead of immediately crashing inside and sending 5-6 aggressively after the QB every play we’d be better in the run game too. I’d ask our coach…if something isn’t working…why keep doing it?
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I was joking. Where Thieneman is when you take a screenshot before the snap is so far down on the list of issues for this defense you’d never get there in a Pareto. He is not 75 yards from the ball at the snap like some act. Seems to me he’s very often coming up where you want him.
 
pboiler18 said:
I think if he played 10-15 yards off the LOS and we played more zone he could help a whole hell of a lot more in the run game. Go watch the Oregon St highlights tho. He took some awful angles again and missed 4-5 real key tackles. If your stopper is that far off the ball , not stopping and having no impact in the pass game…what good is he?

I also think if we contained QBs better instead of immediately crashing inside and sending 5-6 aggressively after the QB every play we’d be better in the run game too. I’d ask our coach…if something isn’t working…why keep doing it?
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I think there's a reason you don't see a lot of defenses line up their FS 25 yards off the ball. Yeh, I understand that prevents you from getting beat over the top, but it also means you're playing 10 on 11 at the LOS.
Supposedly, our DBs are good enough to play more man this year. If that's the case, move DT closer to the LOS so he can play run support and help contain.
 
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bonefish1 said:
I think there's a reason you don't see a lot of defenses line up their FS 25 yards off the ball. Yeh, I understand that prevents you from getting beat over the top, but it also means you're playing 10 on 11 at the LOS.
Supposedly, our DBs are good enough to play more man this year. If that's the case, move DT closer to the LOS so he can play run support and help contain.
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Oregon and OSU will put 80 on us if we do that …
 
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