Need to play together. I'm tired of this nonsense. These guys need 30mpg. We can't guard anyone anyway.
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Double post. Might work in the B1G but will get you killed in March.Need to play together. I'm tired of this nonsense. These guys need 30mpg. We can't guard anyone anyway.
Tre can play point for a few minutes.Double post. Might work in the B1G but will get you killed in March.
He’s a better ball handler than a few of themTre can play point for a few minutes.
I think he really is.He’s a better ball handler than a few of them
I dont think 30 a piece is realistic. But seeing how they are 2 or 3 best players id like to figure out how to get them to 22-25 mins a piece.Need to play together. I'm tired of this nonsense. These guys need 30mpg. We can't guard anyone anyway.
And just what do we do when both are in foul trouble? Which is guaranteed to happen.Need to play together. I'm tired of this nonsense. These guys need 30mpg. We can't guard anyone anyway.
If they do, we have Furst to go play the 5And just what do we do when both are in foul trouble? Which is guaranteed to happen.
But hey, call in to the Painter show and suggest it.
While I'm on board with them playing together, I recall Painter saying he tried it in practice and it was a disaster. What that means I have no idea ...So that is likely why we haven't seen it.If they do, we have Furst to go play the 5
I completely agree that they should see SOME time on the floor together
Sooo, we should play the guys who are more often than not, rebounding, playing hard, and making smart decisions … IMO that’s Edey, Tre, Gillis, Morton, and probably IT (faults withstanding)While I'm on board with them playing together, I recall Painter saying he tried it in practice and it was a disaster. What that means I have no idea ...So that is likely why we haven't seen it.
But that doesn't mean we won't. Tre is getting much quicker with his hands so it may be one of those things we work on until the tourney then run with it and surprise teams and make us even harder to defend.
We have to do the little things first thing gh IMO. Like rebound and make smart decisions and play hard
It is tough with respect to Ivey for sure...he can be a difference maker, especially at the offensive end where Purdue has struggled thus far in conference games, but, there are times where he is hurting Purdue as much as he is helping them.Sooo, we should play the guys who are more often than not, rebounding, playing hard, and making smart decisions … IMO that’s Edey, Tre, Gillis, Morton, and probably IT (faults withstanding)
Ivey needs to play smarter (he’s only short term player for us and he limits our ceiling with his poor defense despite his ability to score) before he plays 30+ minutes per game again.
I’m old school, so take it as you want. I’ve seen the best at Purdue, IU and other programs where the coach sat their best player to send a clear message — it worked. What’s Ivey going to do? Transfer if he gets sat out for most of a game??? Nah, he has to play to get drafted
Imagine Williams passing to Edey? That would be sweet. The spacing and cutting would not be there though like with Furst and Gillis. Maybe Edey sends it out to Tre from the post and then he makes a back down. Tre would need to be the one doing the cutting and keeping people honest with some jumpers. Maybe it would open it up for the 3 other shooters if everyone is clogged in the middle trying to guard our 2 bigs? This would all have to be when we are clear of foul trouble. I liked that Gillis was connecting on 3s. He didn’t play much in the second maybe due to D and boards?I wouldn’t mind seeing Trevion get minutes at the 4 now. He seems to have improved ball handling this season, and his length more than makes up for some speed in short situations. Why not use him some when the opposing 4 isn’t a 3-point threat? At that point, his rebounding and all-around game should more than make up for any remaining defensive liabilities against quicker opponents. Let them take those 20’ 2-point jumpers if that’s what it costs.
Very astute observation. Which really shouldn't be the case but it all lines up.Purdue has struggled when they went away from Edey in the starting lineup...I have no idea why, but, it has been the case.
Umh, Edey started against Iowa, Rutgers and our overtime win against NC State. Williams started his first game against Butler (who we destroyed) and the first game that was close with Williams starting was against Wisconsin. I don't think that's the problem.Very astute observation. Which really shouldn't be the case but it all lines up.
Except that it is. as fast as calls are often made against bigs, ours especially, both Tre and Zach could get 2 fouls each quickly in the first half and have to sit the majority or one plays and gets a 3rd and it cascades downward from there.Even if either got an early foul or two with them playing together you could just switch back to them sharing time. Not an issue.
Disagree that just because it didn’t work in practice that it wouldn’t work in the right game situation. Why? We don’t play defense against our offense in real games. And to make the point, our offense is much different than most other offenses. The REAL question is how do we do in rotations as a result of a high pick and roll if they’re both on the floor? For me personally, I would rather take the chance that our rotations aren’t as quick as on O we create big time match up issues for the opposition (more so than whatever issue we may have on D, after all we are talking about two of the most dominant big men in all college basketball not Matt Haarms and Isaac Haas)Except that it is. as fast as calls are often made against bigs, ours especially, both Tre and Zach could get 2 fouls each quickly in the first half and have to sit the majority or one plays and gets a 3rd and it cascades downward from there.
I know, it ruins the novelty, but it's a fact and movie we see all the time. Plus if it was a viable solution, Painter would be doing it already. I mean he literally said he has tried it already at least in practice and it didn't go well. If it didn't go well in just a practice, it would be worse in action.
That's a good point. There are a lot of Big Ten teams that have really poor play at center and their 4s are nothing special. Take Wisconsin. Their six big men who played against us have made 12 three pointers combined all year. Do we really think Williams couldn't guard their starting forward Tyler Wahl (who hasn't made a three this year) or forward Carter Gilmore that played 19 minutes and is averaging 1.3 points per game?Disagree that just because it didn’t work in practice that it wouldn’t work in the right game situation. Why? We don’t play defense against our offense in real games. And to make the point, our offense is much different than most other offenses. The REAL question is how do we do in rotations as a result of a high pick and roll if they’re both on the floor? For me personally, I would rather take the chance that our rotations aren’t as quick as on O we create big time match up issues for the opposition (more so than whatever issue we may have on D, after all we are talking about two of the most dominant big men in all college basketball not Matt Haarms and Isaac Haas)
I don't think people are saying start both of them. They are suggesting you may be able to use it situationally.Except that it is. as fast as calls are often made against bigs, ours especially, both Tre and Zach could get 2 fouls each quickly in the first half and have to sit the majority or one plays and gets a 3rd and it cascades downward from there.
I know, it ruins the novelty, but it's a fact and movie we see all the time. Plus if it was a viable solution, Painter would be doing it already. I mean he literally said he has tried it already at least in practice and it didn't go well. If it didn't go well in just a practice, it would be worse in action.
Well so far, Painter disagrees or we would see it. And I am certainly going to take his judgment over any wannabe forum coach.Disagree that just because it didn’t work in practice that it wouldn’t work in the right game situation.
So why are you on the forum? There are many fans on this site and Facebook sites all asking the same question after the latest lossWell so far, Painter disagrees or we would see it. And I am certainly going to take his judgment over any wannabe forum coach.
It all could change, but so far not so much.
Then why haven't you called in and asked Painter the question? It's a simple solution for you.So why are you on the forum? There are many fans on this site and Facebook sites all asking the same question after the latest loss
Our offense isn’t the problem. We are a top 5 offense.Disagree that just because it didn’t work in practice that it wouldn’t work in the right game situation. Why? We don’t play defense against our offense in real games. And to make the point, our offense is much different than most other offenses. The REAL question is how do we do in rotations as a result of a high pick and roll if they’re both on the floor? For me personally, I would rather take the chance that our rotations aren’t as quick as on O we create big time match up issues for the opposition (more so than whatever issue we may have on D, after all we are talking about two of the most dominant big men in all college basketball not Matt Haarms and Isaac Haas)
I accept that … just trying to get my head around not having our best players playing moreOur offense isn’t the problem. We are a top 5 offense.
Has that ever gone well? I believe that all of the questions he has already taken on same has him even more dug in on his decision.Then why haven't you called in and asked Painter the question? It's a simple solution for you.
I thought the change was made after Rutgers, but, you are right...regardless, Williams has not been as good/dominant in the new role (whereas Edey has been better arguably).Umh, Edey started against Iowa, Rutgers and our overtime win against NC State. Williams started his first game against Butler (who we destroyed) and the first game that was close with Williams starting was against Wisconsin. I don't think that's the problem.
By the way you mentioned potential foul trouble. Two things here. Edey and Williams are both averaging two fouls per game. Even if either got an early foul or two with them playing together you could just switch back to them sharing time. Not an issue.
On paper, yes...but, you would never have known it and the numbers don't back it up I would guess in either of the losses...and, in some of the other games where Purdue has struggled as well. I would be curious what the numbers showed in the losses...and in the NC St. game, and, even in the Iowa win.Our offense isn’t the problem. We are a top 5 offense.
71 points per game in 3 conference games. 66 in regulation against NC State and 77 against Butler. So in our last 5 games against quality opponents we've averaged 71.4 points per game in regulation. That number would put us around 200th in the country in scoring.Our offense isn’t the problem. We are a top 5 offense.
THAT/THOSE are the numbers that I was looking for (but, admittedly did not bother to take the time to look up)...but, your post above and this one here are exactly what I had expected...so, VERY much to your point..."offense note being the problem" is VERY misleading, as, it has been/is indeed a problem, particularly in conference play (and, more so in that it is not as if Purdue has played the best teams in conference play). In hindsight, it is really easy to see Purdue at 0-3 in conference play had Murray been healthy and played for Iowa.Also in Purdue's three B10 games they've shot 42%, 41% and 40% from the field. Against Iowa we had to make 27 free throw to get to the 77 points.
You are right...and I agree with pretty much all that you said.Not going to happen, waste of energy. Focus on ways to improve team defense, improving individual defense starting with your most athletic player, figuring out how to better handle pressure( full and half court) getting shooters off early, getting bigs to finish thru uncalled fouls, getting Ivey more fundamentally sound. Sure there is more on Painters list. Playing his bigs together for more than a minute isn’t one of them.
Purdue has lost two games. I’m not sure the problems are as big as some want them to be. Could we have better players than IT and Hunter? Sure, I guess so but we don’t and the solution must come from the players we have. IT was hurt and hasn’t been the same since. Hopefully he can get back to shooting at the clip he had been shooting as he will get open looks. I have no issue with Hunter sitting more either.THAT/THOSE are the numbers that I was looking for (but, admittedly did not bother to take the time to look up)...but, your post above and this one here are exactly what I had expected...so, VERY much to your point..."offense note being the problem" is VERY misleading, as, it has been/is indeed a problem, particularly in conference play (and, more so in that it is not as if Purdue has played the best teams in conference play). In hindsight, it is really easy to see Purdue at 0-3 in conference play had Murray been healthy and played for Iowa.
I listened to Seth Greenberg today talk at length about the importance of having a PG that can dribble penetrate, and, how it puts pressure on the defense and creates open shots around the court...THAT is something that Purdue only has when Ivey has the ball in his hands (which can be a double-edged sword in and of itself), but, it is something sorely missing with Purdue with either Isaiah or Hunter.
Purdue's offensive numbers are crazy inflated seemingly against some bad opponents that it has played...teams that it is just flat better than across the floor and at pretty much every position, but, save the nice wins against what had been a pretty lousy Villanova team and a less than stellar UNC team, Purdue has struggled at that end against the other better opponents that it has played (other than FSU...and, jury is still out there).
It is easy to just look at some numbers and stats and state that "offense is not the problem" and, maybe more so in that we all know that defense IS a problem...but, I am not convinced that both are not actually a bit of problem.
Yeah, I am not saying that the sky is falling and I don't believe that it is, but, I admittedly am dialing things back...I got lulled into believing how good this team was/is capable of and ignored some pretty big red flags.Purdue has lost two games. I’m not sure the problems are as big as some want them to be. Could we have better players than IT and Hunter? Sure, I guess so but we don’t and the solution must come from the players we have. IT was hurt and hasn’t been the same since. Hopefully he can get back to shooting at the clip he had been shooting as he will get open looks. I have no issue with Hunter sitting more either.
Purdue just played a game where everything that could do wrong, did. However did you look at the record, it’s just as likely we go in a run than falling off a cliff. We have the pieces to be very good and there is still a chance for this team to do things no other team in Purdue’s history has. I’m sure Painter will work on the problem areas such as defending the best player in the other team as well as rebounds which I think would have us undefeated had they been addressed earlier.