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The whole debate about 230 is that Congress gave the Tech companies the protection from liability, because they claimed that they weren't Publishers, but just conduits for social discourse. The problem is that they have assumed the role of Editors, which is a Publishing function, which is why Congress is allegedly considering rescinding 230.

Their political bias is causing them to dramatically Edit Conservative speech, while leaving most Liberal speech untouched. I believe the whole point of a site like Twitter is to be a means to exchange ideas. If there is no diversity in the ideas presented, it becomes an echo chamber, which serves little purpose.

I don't believe anyone has a problem with shutting down people making threats or colluding to break laws. Using personal pronouns is NOT breaking any laws.
People are not looking at all of section 230. While it does protect the internet company from liability for what is posted, it also protects them from liability from moderating what is posted.


(c)Protection for “Good Samaritan” blocking and screening of offensive material

(1)Treatment of publisher or speaker
No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.
(2)Civil liability-No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of—
(A)
any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or
(B)
any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers or others the technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph (1).[1]


So, Trump wants 230 rescinded because he thinks it will prevent tech companies from blocking his content or fact-checking him. But, such an action would also subject tech companies to liability for ANYTHING people post on their platform. An argument can be made for modifying 230, but if they become liable for everything that is posted by a third party, they'd basically have to shut down altogether because they'd be getting sued all the time.
 
“Free Speech”



This is what you are defending, and spare my your weaseling “I condemn, but...”. Having compared kneeling to crying fire in a theater, this is what you are defending. The open rallying and planning of people who want to overthrow the US government and were on the Senate Dias Wednesday.

They would put me up against a wall and shoot me for my muddy center left politics. Make no mistake, that is the Civil War you are fantasizing about. What you are calling for when you ”joke” about ramming cars into protests. Share your meme about “2nd Amendment Solutions”. Compare a mask mandate to the Gestapo.

Damn you to hell.

Who in the Hell are you ranting at? Don't lump Conservatives on this board with some whacko, who is probably deranged and we won't link you to Antifa & BLM, who are equally deranged. I find it really hard to believe the visions some of you have about people that just have a different political philosophy, than you.
 
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People are not looking at all of section 230. While it does protect the internet company from liability for what is posted, it also protects them from liability from moderating what is posted.


(c)Protection for “Good Samaritan” blocking and screening of offensive material

(1)Treatment of publisher or speaker
No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.
(2)Civil liability-No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of—
(A)
any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or
(B)
any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers or others the technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph (1).[1]


So, Trump wants 230 rescinded because he thinks it will prevent tech companies from blocking his content or fact-checking him. But, such an action would also subject tech companies to liability for ANYTHING people post on their platform. An argument can be made for modifying 230, but if they become liable for everything that is posted by a third party, they'd basically have to shut down altogether because they'd be getting sued all the time.

Thank you, this is what I was attempting to explain. The conservatives want to repeal it because of the moderation part but it will end up having the opposite effect because of the liability issues that will arise from that.
 
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Thank you, this is what I was attempting to explain. The conservatives want to repeal it because of the moderation part but it will end up having the opposite effect because of the liability issues that will arise from that.
There’s very little debate that if 230 gets repealed ...

1. It will stifle new entrants to the market. Start ups will not be able to afford the people and tools to moderate or the legal costs to defend themselves.

2. The companies that do stay in the game will be much more proactive about blocking and flagging content deemed unacceptable.
 
Thank you, this is what I was attempting to explain. The conservatives want to repeal it because of the moderation part but it will end up having the opposite effect because of the liability issues that will arise from that.
Shocking that trump hasn't thought this all the way through, not that he cares about anything but spreading his lies and punishing those who dare oppose his wishes.
 
There’s very little debate that if 230 gets repealed ...

1. It will stifle new entrants to the market. Start ups will not be able to afford the people and tools to moderate or the legal costs to defend themselves.

2. The companies that do stay in the game will be much more proactive about blocking and flagging content deemed unacceptable.

Which is precisely why I don't understand why people think it's a good idea to repeal it. It seems to be a case of "Trump said it, so I'm jumping on board the train." Talk about breaking up big tech all you want, but this is not that.
 
Correct. There are groups that participate in riots that burned police stations (government buildings) or took over public/private spaces by force that are not only allowed to have these platforms but are celebrated by big tech and allowed to fund raise on these platforms. To me this is also sedition and a coup on the lawfully elected government. You can donate to a group that is involved with with the ongoing destruction of a Federal courthouse in Portland, but if you are a conservative interest you have a good chance that GoFundMe shuts you down.

People also forget how the Justice Kav. Senate hearings were disrupted several times by "protesters" infiltrating the hearings - illegally. I think over 100 were arrested - and rightfully so. These people were supported by Dems on social media and were in all situations called "protesters." Was this a coup to stop the lawful nomination process of a SCOTUS judge? Were these democratic pols inciting a riot? No, they were promoting democracy. Remember also how the left wing groups that invaded the Wisconsin State house during Walker's administration and stopped governing for several days and were hailed as pro-democracy - not as treasonous protesters taking over a lawfully elected government by force.

What happened last week was wrong. But was has been going on in this country w/o any recourse for the violence and destruction was wrong too. I believe it was esteemed Stanford prof Victor David Hansen who said, "One side sees the success of the tactics adopted by the opposition, don't be surprised when they adopt those same tactics."

Excellent post
 
Hillary Clinton tweeting about the peaceful transition of power might be one of the most irony-laden things I’ve seen in a 200 post thread full of them.

You'll notice in the same tweet that she was extolling the virtues of law and order, which is ironically funny.
 
??????? Not even sure how you could create this narrative based on anything I've said.
I've have not supported people individually posting any of that stuff.

If Twitter users or Facebook users are found using their sites to plan violent attacks, those users are removed.
Parlor does not and allows for them to plan and continue to plan and organize violence publicly on their app with no restrictions.
How can you not wrap your head around that?

People posting disgusting comments or videos is revolting. Period. Those people get to deal with the consequences of public opinion on them for posting or saying such things.

Are you really on Parler or are you just spreading urban myths? Is there anyone that regularly uses Parler that can either verify or refute his allegations?
 
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The irony in the statement above is hard to ignore. The Democrats have been doing the same for four years. Not the Capitol building, but in cities across America.

And now riots have gone too far. So the Capitol building is where the Democrats drew the line. Point noted.

BTW, the people attacking the Capitol should be identified and arrested....but the other rioters should they slide? Where do u draw your line?

Kamala Harris was on Twitter trying to raise bail money for the Antifa/BLM rioters. I guess bailing out rioters is an approved use of Twitter, since we know they won't loot, riot and burn buildings, after they've been bailed out. A bit hypocritical...
 
Other than Trump, who’s account has been shut down arbitrarily that was not tied to the violence this week?

Hannity is as pro-Trump, pro-Conservative as you get and he’s tweeting today about how bad Twitter is. There are no warnings or any restrictions.

Heck ... PARLER has an account on Twitter they use to communicate without restriction.


The NY Post's account was shut down for a week, after they posted the story about Hunter Biden's laptop. Additionally, Conservatives Pete Hegseth, Ben Shapiro and Dan Bongino all had their accounts suspended, after they had posted something that offended a Twitter snowflake. That's just off the top of my head.

None of those posts rose to any threat level that Twitter purports to protect us from. They dared express a Conservative viewpoint, which I know is like Kryptonite to a Liberal.
 
Are you really on Parler or are you just spreading urban myths? Is there anyone that regularly uses Parlor that can either verify or refute his allegations?
No. Why would you even come to the conclusion I am on there? I do read multiple articles for various sources because I am not a radically leftist or rightist and like to get actual facts and form my own opinion.

There has been evidence and screenshots all over the place of what is happening on Parler and the fact that the CEO of Parler has publicly made multiple public statements and comically tweets on this.

His statements on this aligns with a lot of comments on here trying to ask why is Parler being banned.
Yet you are asking posters on a Purdue sports message board for proof. God help us.

Listen and let me be clear here, there is a ton of crap on and terrible awful garbage on FB, Twitter, and Parler. If your argument is "but he is doing it too", realize that doesn't mean $h!t to the rest of us. Literally Google and Apple asked them to do as poor a job as Twitter and FB and Parlers response was that they "will not cave."
 
Ginni Thomas, wife of Clarence Thomas, paid for 70 buses to transport armed rioters to the rally. Her Facebook page was shut down today. I didn't see her actual posts offering free transportation so I am not sure what the issue was with Facebook.

Question: Could Amazon or Twitter or Facebook or other social media be sued or held responsible in any way if they did not shut down or ban some of these accounts? For example, can the husband or parents sue for the death of the young woman at the Capital?

Why do I find that a bit hard to believe? Sounds a bit like a Left wing Urban Myth. Yeah, I believe Supreme Court Justice's wives routinely subsidize 70 buses full of armed rioters. Did you ever wonder what the objective of this armed caravan might be? Is she planning to take over the country and declare herself Queen?
 
Kamala Harris was on Twitter trying to raise bail money for the Antifa/BLM rioters. I guess bailing out rioters is an approved use of Twitter, since we know they won't loot, riot and burn buildings, after they've been bailed out. A bit hypocritical...

All of the sudden, those against Trump became law abiding citizens on Nov 4th and their ilk have not rioted caused any deaths and destroyed federal property in the last 4 years. Nothing wrong. This just started on Wednesday.
 
All of the sudden, those against Trump became law abiding citizens on Nov 4th and their ilk have not rioted caused any deaths and destroyed federal property in the last 4 years. Nothing wrong. This just started on Wednesday.
Yet here you are making a deflection on behalf of a group that murdered a cop while signing the star spangled banner
 
TMan92 said he was up above in a post. I am as surprised to learn he was one as much as you.

I suspect it's a slanderous attack to start an internet myth. When you hear the same lie often enough it starts having the ring of truth. Things like Socialism is a good form of Government. A lot of deluded fools have heard that multiple times and are buying in.
 
All of the sudden, those against Trump became law abiding citizens on Nov 4th and their ilk have not rioted caused any deaths and destroyed federal property in the last 4 years. Nothing wrong. This just started on Wednesday.

Do some of you ever try anything other than whataboutism or is it the only tactic you have? It's honestly exhausting.
 
I will make you a $100 charity bet that Trump is in prison before either Clinton.

If the Clintons aren't in prison yet, it's highly unlikely that they'll get there, though they deserve matching Orange jumpsuits.

The smartest thing the Dems can do is just ignore Trump. Pelosi is trying to drive a stake through his heart with another impeachment, which will rally the Trump supporters and a lot of other Republicans to be highly motivated to vote in the mid term elections.

Trump will be 78 in 4 years and I doubt that he has any desire to put his head in the lion's mouth again. He killed himself with the speech on the Mall. Going for blood will mobilize the opposition, but I believe Nancy is obsessed
 
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No. Why would you even come to the conclusion I am on there? I do read multiple articles for various sources because I am not a radically leftist or rightist and like to get actual facts and form my own opinion.

There has been evidence and screenshots all over the place of what is happening on Parler and the fact that the CEO of Parler has publicly made multiple public statements and comically tweets on this.

His statements on this aligns with a lot of comments on here trying to ask why is Parler being banned.
Yet you are asking posters on a Purdue sports message board for proof. God help us.

Listen and let me be clear here, there is a ton of crap on and terrible awful garbage on FB, Twitter, and Parler. If your argument is "but he is doing it too", realize that doesn't mean $h!t to the rest of us. Literally Google and Apple asked them to do as poor a job as Twitter and FB and Parlers response was that they "will not cave."

You were coming across as an authority on Parler, which is why I asked the question. Rather than getting third hand information, I was requesting input from people on here, who may have Parler accounts.

I don't use any of those things. I had a Facebook account for about three months, when the BBall team played in Taiwan, since that was the only way I could see the games. It was a waste of time, so I cancelled it. I really have no desire to use Twitter or Parler, since I can see enough idiocy here.
 
All of the sudden, those against Trump became law abiding citizens on Nov 4th and their ilk have not rioted caused any deaths and destroyed federal property in the last 4 years. Nothing wrong. This just started on Wednesday.
Anyone with half a brain saw this coming from Trump and were preaching it. Hell, his Senate allies said it in 2015 & 2016 then flipped like both parties politicians do.

Actually, most of the country has been against rioting and destruction of property, supported police but condemned excessive force against minorities, have been on the side of the evolved BLM movement and needed changes to diversity and Inclusion.

The majority of the country leans conservative fiscally, economically, and regulatory. They also either lean socially democrat or feel that government should not be that overly involved socially while protecting peoples basic rights.

Trump and his followers have decided to focus on attacking people and their rights based on the color of their skin, sexuality, gender, their religion, and where they are from all while inciting violence and hate. They thought that doing well economically would cover them attacking peoples rights.

Even with that and his terrible response to covid, Trump still came close to winning the election based on people leaning conservative fiscally.

His hate and his followers hate is why he lost. Their then and current fascist craziness to overthrow the election has turned most of his then supporters against him.

You can sink with him, hide your hate and fake it, or learn from it. But clearly you are one to sink with him.

The but "they did this too" whining crap is not only a bad comparison but it is always a weak and pathetic argument. Trumpers will go down as being on the wrong side of history for being terrible people. You are who we all thought you were.
 
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Of course, it is completely different and I completely agree with you but my point is that monitoring these sites is not easy. So pointing out an example where someone's post was flagged or not flagged is really not the point. The point is that promoting violence or a coup d'etat on a social media site should not be allowed and should be flagged or removed.

If someone is promoting violence or a coup, perhaps they could notify the Police/FBI. There are laws against that.
 
Oh Sean. We heard about Benghazi for four years but you found another shiny object to show to your lemmings.

So you're saying that you're OK with 4 of our people dying, because HRC didn't give them the security upgrades that were requested 600 times? You're OK with HRC telling her daughter & the Egyptian PM that it was a terrorist attack, but they lied to the American people and the families of the deceased with the BS story about a video. All this lying was to cover Obama, who had said that GM was alive and Al Qaeda was dead. Admitting that a terrorist attack had occurred at our embassy a month before Obama's election, would have shown the country that Al Qaeda was NOT dead and Obama had lied to them. Their solution, tell lots of lies about a video. Susan Rice repeated that lie on 5 Sunday morning talk shows.

You're proud that this is the way your President and SoS disrespected 4 people, who died for our country? Real class act...
 
If someone is promoting violence or a coup, perhaps they could notify the Police/FBI. There are laws against that.

With the propensity of the Qanon and White Nationalists to take selfies of themselves and put this stuff on public internet sites, they won’t be too hard to find. They are sorta like if ISIS mixed with a 15 year old girl.
 
So you're saying that you're OK with 4 of our people dying, because HRC didn't give them the security upgrades that were requested 600 times? You're OK with HRC telling her daughter & the Egyptian PM that it was a terrorist attack, but they lied to the American people and the families of the deceased with the BS story about a video. All this lying was to cover Obama, who had said that GM was alive and Al Qaeda was dead. Admitting that a terrorist attack had occurred at our embassy a month before Obama's election, would have shown the country that Al Qaeda was NOT dead and Obama had lied to them. Their solution, tell lots of lies about a video. Susan Rice repeated that lie on 5 Sunday morning talk shows.

You're proud that this is the way your President and SoS disrespected 4 people, who died for our country? Real class act...

No. Hannity would not rest until there was justice. It was all he talked about. Now that this happens on American soil and kills five people, it’s time to heal the country. Sort of what he says every time someone shoots up a school. He is a hypocrite.
 
Why do I find that a bit hard to believe? Sounds a bit like a Left wing Urban Myth. Yeah, I believe Supreme Court Justice's wives routinely subsidize 70 buses full of armed rioters. Did you ever wonder what the objective of this armed caravan might be? Is she planning to take over the country and declare herself Queen?
This part of the story is far fetched and not verified.
She did however post that she "loved" the attack on the capital before she deleted her FB account. That is verified.
She also was has posted many negative things against the BLM movement, including things focused on peaceful aspects of the protests...for those on here trying to twist everything onto the other aspects of the by far vastly protests over the entire globe including other countries movement.
 
You didn't mention Amazon??? I try as much as possible to shop at local stores and find that is it really not hard to avoid Amazon. I am not on Twitter and barely know what it is. I also don't use Facebook. So I guess I am not the right person to ask.

If I need to buy something and I don't feel like leaving the house, I look at buying it online at Walmart. They have a decent selection and can usually get it to you in a 2-3 days. I like Amazon, but I find it harder to keep making the world's richest man richer, especially since his values are essentially opposite of mine. You and I have virtually the same Social Media footprint.
 
Anyone with half a brain saw this coming from Trump and were preaching it. Hell, his Senate allies said it in 2015 & 2016 then flipped like both parties politicians do.

Actually, most of the country has been against rioting and destruction of property, supported police but condemned excessive force against minorities, have been on the side of the evolved BLM movement and needed changes to diversity and Inclusion.

The majority of the country leans conservative fiscally, economically, and regulatory. They also either lean socially democrat or feel that government should not be that overly involved socially while protecting peoples basic rights.

Trump and his followers have decided to focus on attacking people and their rights based on the color of their skin, sexuality, gender, their religion, and where they are from all while inciting violence and hate. They thought that doing well economically would cover them attacking peoples rights.

Even with that, Trump still came close to winning the election based on people leaning conservative fiscally.

His hate and his followers hate is why he lost. Their then and current fascist craziness to overthrow the election has turned most of his then supporters against him.

You can sink with him, hide your hate and fake it, or learn from it. But clearly you are one to sink with him.

The but "they did this too" whining crap is not only a bad comparison but it is always a weak and pathetic argument. Trumpers will go down as being on the wrong side of history for being terrible people. You are who we all thought you were.

If you read any of my prior posts, I clearly stated those that attacked the Capitol should be arrested.

I voted for Trump soley based on his fiscal conservative stance and conservative court appointees. I disagreed with him backing out of the Paris accord. I was ready to move on from Trump after the election as I have faith that the liberal policies Biden will pursue cause the pendulum to swing back to the Republican Party. Even with Trump‘s crazy antics Joe won the election by roughly 150,000 votes. (Yes, I realize Joe carried the popular vote by a greater margin, but the electoral college is what it is. I doubt the people who voted for Joe in 2020 will be voting for him in 2024 as long as Trumps off the ticket).

As for labeling me for being on the wrong side of history, I really dont care. Hillary labeled me a deplorable 4 years ago and I still sleep like a baby. Just because I voted for Trump, it doesn’t me that I agree with everything he does or stands for.

When the Democrats change their economic polices, I’ll change the way I vote until then, I’ll keep voting Republican.
 
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There isn't a single person in this thread defending that. Unlike the radical left, we don't support violence...period.

I see many low iq Trumpkins who voted for the anti American domestic terrorist trump in this thread. Let’s face the facts. We have a radical right wing terrorism problem in the USA

Meanwhile red states have the highest crime rates in the USA.
 
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If you read any of my prior posts, I clearly stated those that attacked the Capitol should be arrested.

I voted for Trump soley based on his fiscal conservative stance and conservative court appointees. I disagreed with him backing out of the Paris accord. I was ready to move on from Trump after the election as I have faith that the liberal policies Biden will pursue cause the pendulum to swing back to the Republican Party. Even with Trump‘s crazy antics Joe won the election by roughly 150,000 votes. (Yes, I realize Joe carried the popular vote by a greater margin, but the electoral college is what it is. I doubt the people who voted for Joe in 2020 will be voting for him in 2024 as long as Trumps off the ticket).

As for labeling me for being on the wrong side of history, I really dont care. Hillary labeled me a deplorable 4 years ago and I still sleep like a baby. Just because I voted for Trump, it doesn’t me that I agree with everything he does or stands for.

When the Democrats change their economic polices, I’ll change the way I vote until then, I’ll keep voting Republican.
He just said trump was Fiscal conservative. He is trolling us guys. Republicans are horrible at running economies. Poor Biden has to clean up another republican recession
 
Clearly an example of "I'm hardly a trump sychophant."

I voted for him and liked his policies. He made a lot of promises and kept most of them, unlike most politicians. As I've stated many times, he annoyed the Hell out of me more often than not, with his tweeting and some of his rambling speeches. He did a lot of great things for the country, while he was President, despite having a daily fight for survival with the MSM, Corrupt DoJ/FBI, Corrupt lying Dems (Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler & Schumer), phony investigations, phony impeachment, etc.

Add in a pandemic and he still got us three vaccines within one year (as promised), despite the Dems & MSM saying it was impossible.

But you have TDS and hate the Orange Man with a passion, so your head would explode, if you gave him credit for anything. Stay in your echo chamber and keep looping your Bad Orange Man mantra, until Jan 20th, when you get the Big Guy and the Southern border will be open, Tariffs with China will cease and we can increase our trade deficit, Corporate taxes will be increased and more jobs & businesses will leave the country, and don't forget that Joe wants to raise Capital gains taxes. There goes the economy. Great times ahead...LOL
 
I voted for him and liked his policies. He made a lot of promises and kept most of them, unlike most politicians. As I've stated many times, he annoyed the Hell out of me more often than not, with his tweeting and some of his rambling speeches. He did a lot of great things for the country, while he was President, despite having a daily fight for survival with the MSM, Corrupt DoJ/FBI, Corrupt lying Dems (Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler & Schumer), phony investigations, phony impeachment, etc.

Add in a pandemic and he still got us three vaccines within one year (as promised), despite the Dems & MSM saying it was impossible.

But you have TDS and hate the Orange Man with a passion, so your head would explode, if you gave him credit for anything. Stay in your echo chamber and keep looping your Bad Orange Man mantra, until Jan 20th, when you get the Big Guy and the Southern border will be open, Tariffs with China will cease and we can increase our trade deficit, Corporate taxes will be increased and more jobs & businesses will leave the country, and don't forget that Joe wants to raise Capital gains taxes. There goes the economy. Great times ahead...LOL
Orange man good cuck still spewing his delusions about trump. Go get back in your fake news echo chamber. Congrats on almost destroying America. When will you republicans leave office without creating a recession.
 
He just said trump was Fiscal conservative. He is trolling us guys. Republicans are horrible at running economies. Poor Biden has to clean up another republican recession

are we in a recession?



 
The policies of lying, narcissism, and authoritarianism.
Those personal "policies" led him to refuse to accept his loss in the election and triggered the events of 1/6.

This is the direct result of Americans ignoring the character and judgement of people they vote for. Just vote for the letter and give me a tax cut.

You make some ignorant, emotional posts at times, but this was classically ignorant. Your first sentence tells me that you never got past hating Trump, because of his personality and you were oblivious to his policies. Your last sentence tells me that you just voted for the letter, yet you disparage others for having done the same thing you did.

Why do I think that after Jan 20th, you will find all of the Big Guys policies absolutely perfect, no matter what he does. Amirite?
 
Who knew they all wore red hats and posted with #MAGA

Still waiting for the examples of the conservative voices that are being unfairly censored on Twitter or FB.

Work on your reading skills - Post 333

For someone who professes to be a lifelong Conservative, you sound a lot more like BuilderBob, than any Conservative I've ever seen on this board. Why am I seeing pictures of RHINOs???
 
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