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The data has been proven wrong about people being protected from COVID. Why do vaccinated people get COVID? People have still died and have suffered other conditions such as blood clots.
The COVID vaccine manufactures and the scientist have said from the get go that there is a certain percent effectiveness. Therefore, since that percent effectiveness is not 100% some folks will still get COVID. Similarly with the seasonal flu. Some folks that get vaccinated with the seasonal flu vaccine still get the seasonal flu.
 
I can't wait until the "Scientists" tell the sheep that they have to cut off the tip of their pinkie finger. A lot of these mopes will be running for the pruning shears.
Hey Remember Overlord Fauci recommending 2 or 3 masks ? These bozos probably went along with that …

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He asked for examples. I provided some. I believe in science, just not all science is right all the time. Just like doctors, you need them, but they make mistakes to.
There’s certainly nothing wrong with questioning things. It’s one of the ways we make advancements. But you’re arguing against proven science because someone told you to, and you got no further than that. You and others on here are at the point where you know the grass is green, but someone will say it’s yellow and by god, it’s now yellow in your mind and that’s that.
 
There’s certainly nothing wrong with questioning things. It’s one of the ways we make advancements. But you’re arguing against proven science because someone told you to, and you got no further than that. You and others on here are at the point where you know the grass is green, but someone will say it’s yellow and by god, it’s now yellow in your mind and that’s that.
I will always question the scientific claims of someone who believes a man can get pregnant.
 
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@SKYDOG : "My grammama smoked two packs a day and lived until she was 98. And she died when a piano fell on her head while she was moving furniture. Therefore, smoking isn't dangerous. Dumb-ass scientists didn't know what they were talking about with smoking!'

You do realize that Americans were dying of COVID by the hundreds of thousands until the vaccine was widely distributed, and then the deaths faded to practically zero.

I mean, how anti-science, conspiracy theory-believing, naïve, and ignorant do you have to be to not believe that scientists come to conclusions based on objective evidence, and that vaccines are a godsend to the human species?

And when a doctor or scientist issues precautionary or preventative advice? That is exactly what it is; a best-practice based on best available evidence, not an infallible panacea.

Is this even a topic for discussion in America in 2024?!!? Is this in part because the MAGA mindset has inculcated a belief in their followers to look for a conspiracy theory behind every obvious and evidence-based conclusion?

Holy crap.
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@SKYDOG : "My grammama smoked two packs a day and lived until she was 98. And she died when a piano fell on her head while she was moving furniture. Therefore, smoking isn't dangerous. Dumb-ass scientists didn't know what they were talking about with smoking!'

You do realize that Americans were dying of COVID by the hundreds of thousands until the vaccine was widely distributed, and then the deaths faded to practically zero.

I mean, how anti-science, conspiracy theory-believing, naïve, and ignorant do you have to be to not believe that scientists come to conclusions based on objective evidence, and that vaccines are a godsend to the human species?

And when a doctor or scientist issues precautionary or preventative advice? That is exactly what it is; a best-practice based on best available evidence, not an infallible panacea.

Is this even a topic for discussion in America in 2024?!!? Is this in part because the MAGA mindset has inculcated a belief in their followers to look for a conspiracy theory behind every obvious and evidence-based conclusion?

Holy crap.
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The mindset isn't to believe in conspiracy theories, it's to not believe everything you're told. It's to gather data and question what you're being told if something doesn't seem to quite line up.

Why? Because someone screwed up and there was a lot of CYA and alternative motives occurring.

And since you brought up the death numbers, I'm assuming you remember that there was a lot of questioning around what the actual numbers were based on evidence? For example, there were people killed in car accidents, who it turned out happened to also be Covid positive, who were then counted as a Covid related death.

When that information is leaked, yeh, I'm going to start questioning things.
 
There’s certainly nothing wrong with questioning things. It’s one of the ways we make advancements. But you’re arguing against proven science because someone told you to, and you got no further than that. You and others on here are at the point where you know the grass is green, but someone will say it’s yellow and by god, it’s now yellow in your mind and that’s that.
Certain types of grass are yellow at various times of the year. You obviously are not following the science of agrostology.

Your belief that grass is only green shows how narrow your knowledge base is, consistent with your dem-lib views.
 
Some of us are smart enough to think for ourselves, instead of just blindly following Big Government “Scientist” Hacks.
Because you know more than the scientists. You dismiss science not because you understand the subject better than they do........obviously........but because it doesn't agree with your politics.
 
Because you know more than the scientists. You dismiss science not because you understand the subject better than they do........obviously........but because it doesn't agree with your politics.
I love how libs scream "FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!!" but then in the next sentence, claims that a man can get pregnant. Or that someone can change their gender just because they feel like it. Where's the science in that?
 
I love how libs scream "FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!!" but then in the next sentence, claims that a man can get pregnant. Or that someone can change their gender just because they feel like it. Where's the science in that?
In my experience most liberals not all believe in everything they are told. Many conservatives don’t take everything at face value and make their decisions on what’s been told and their own research.
 
I love how libs scream "FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!!" but then in the next sentence, claims that a man can get pregnant. Or that someone can change their gender just because they feel like it. Where's the science in that?

In my experience most liberals not all believe in everything they are told. Many conservatives don’t take everything at face value and make their decisions on what’s been told and their own research.
This is not a ‘liberal vs conservative’ argument.

Science does not know nor declare a political philosophy.
 
This is not a ‘liberal vs conservative’ argument.

Science does not know nor declare a political philosophy.
Right science doesn’t know a political philosophy, but the people who believe all science or all things told are differentiated many times by political affiliation.
 
The COVID vaccine manufactures and the scientist have said from the get go that there is a certain percent effectiveness. Therefore, since that percent effectiveness is not 100% some folks will still get COVID. Similarly with the seasonal flu. Some folks that get vaccinated with the seasonal flu vaccine still get the seasonal flu.
That is true, but thinking back about Fauci and his follies, there were so many things untrue to believe.
 
That is true, but thinking back about Fauci and his follies, there were so many things untrue to believe.
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Fair!

There were multiple precautionary measures that turned out to be unnecessary. That doesn't mean that they were disingenuous.
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@SKYDOG : "My grammama smoked two packs a day and lived until she was 98. And she died when a piano fell on her head while she was moving furniture. Therefore, smoking isn't dangerous. Dumb-ass scientists didn't know what they were talking about with smoking!'

You do realize that Americans were dying of COVID by the hundreds of thousands until the vaccine was widely distributed, and then the deaths faded to practically zero.

I mean, how anti-science, conspiracy theory-believing, naïve, and ignorant do you have to be to not believe that scientists come to conclusions based on objective evidence, and that vaccines are a godsend to the human species?

And when a doctor or scientist issues precautionary or preventative advice? That is exactly what it is; a best-practice based on best available evidence, not an infallible panacea.

Is this even a topic for discussion in America in 2024?!!? Is this in part because the MAGA mindset has inculcated a belief in their followers to look for a conspiracy theory behind every obvious and evidence-based conclusion?

Holy crap.
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The COVID vaccine manufactures and the scientist have said from the get go that there is a certain percent effectiveness. Therefore, since that percent effectiveness is not 100% some folks will still get COVID. Similarly with the seasonal flu. Some folks that get vaccinated with the seasonal flu vaccine still get the seasonal flu.

This is not a ‘liberal vs conservative’ argument.

Science does not know nor declare a political philosophy.
Because you know more than the scientists. You dismiss science not because you understand the subject better than they do........obviously........but because it doesn't agree with your politics.

This sums up my thoughts on Big Science pretty well.

 
It's all Covid and climate change driving this. Unfortunately it will be spread to all other science as well.

Science is sometimes wrong but they always get to the right answer.

If you eliminated the Bible and all knowledge of it, in a thousand years it wouldn't come back just as it was. However, if you destroy all science, in a thousand years all of it would come back just as it was........because all the tests would yield the same results.

I'm sorry all of you are so triggered because all the scientists didn't come to all the right conclusions about an unknown, deadly disease in a few months.
 
It's all Covid and climate change driving this. Unfortunately it will be spread to all other science as well.

Science is sometimes wrong but they always get to the right answer.

If you eliminated the Bible and all knowledge of it, in a thousand years it wouldn't come back just as it was. However, if you destroy all science, in a thousand years all of it would come back just as it was........because all the tests would yield the same results.

I'm sorry all of you are so triggered because all the scientists didn't come to all the right conclusions about an unknown, deadly disease in a few months.
If anyone is triggered, it’s the sheep like you, when anyone has the audacity to think for themselves, or protest against draconian government overreaches based on bad or corrupt science.
 
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Fair!

There were multiple precautionary measures that turned out to be unnecessary. That doesn't mean that they were disingenuous.
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Email/social media evidence shows there was a coverup by Fauci and those dependent on funding from the gov about the origins of covid.

Not to mention by the Chinese science establishment and scientists at the WHO.
 
Because when Covid hit, you knew how it was transmitted and you knew the wrong masks didn't work and you knew kids were less susceptible. Sure.

When it comes to public health, the recommendations of the experts are always going to err on the side of caution. Many people came to the conclusion masks weren't necessary simply because they didn't like wearing them rather than any scientific reasoning. Just because some of the complaints turned out to be right doesn't mean is was wrong to take the precautions. It's like watching and complaining about what play they ran or didn't run. You have no info but think you're right because the play didn't work.
 
Because when Covid hit, you knew how it was transmitted and you knew the wrong masks didn't work and you knew kids were less susceptible. Sure.

When it comes to public health, the recommendations of the experts are always going to err on the side of caution. Many people came to the conclusion masks weren't necessary simply because they didn't like wearing them rather than any scientific reasoning. Just because some of the complaints turned out to be right doesn't mean is was wrong to take the precautions. It's like watching and complaining about what play they ran or didn't run. You have no info but think you're right because the play didn't work.
What was the reasoning in making people in a restaurant wear a mask while walking to their table or the bathroom but not while they're sitting down?
 
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So, what happens when you have 10 scientists on one side of an issue and 10 on the other side? How do you decide which one you're going to believe?
When that's the case, there is no scientific consensus to speak of, so I (and scientists, for that matter) withhold accepting any particular claim. But, in the case of the three issues I've mentioned in this thread on which I claim you don't accept the science, 10 vs 10 doesn't accurately describe the situation.
Do you believe the same thing with economists? Which would seem to be less subjective than science. For example, if 10 economists say trickle down economics work and 10 say they don't, who do you believe?
As above, were this the case, I would be forced to say I don't know which group is correct. Though, on that particular topic, I'm pretty sure the data points one way.
You see, that's were you're personal beliefs come in in terms of which side you chose. As a liberal, you're going to side with whoever supports your personal belief and opinion.
Sounds more like that's what you're doing. There's a clear scientific consensus on climate change (which, I acknowledge, COULD be wrong), for instance. I accept that position as likely true, because that's what the science says, not because that's what so-called liberals say. But, conservatives don't, and, since you're a conservative, you reject the scientific consensus and pretend there's somehow "equal" science the other way, when there just isn't.

I'm a liberal, among other reasons, because liberal positions on scientific issues are far more likely to comport with what the best science currently available says, whereas you have to dismiss science as being "liberal" so that you can hold onto conservative positions that go against that science. I don't choose my science based on political party, I've chosen the party that more closely aligns with science.

All that said, you're more than welcome to hold the positions you do. There's nothing wrong with disagreement and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that science can and does get things wrong. Proving someone else, or yourself, wrong is how science works in the first place. But you don't get to claim your positions are the scientific ones (at least on the three issues I mentioned), because they're not. Just because science CAN be wrong doesn't mean that it IS wrong on any particular issue.
 
are you still wearing a mask?
When I'm sick and have to be around other people, yes, since they are effective for source control.
Do you wear one when you're in your car alone?
Never did, and people who did weren't in alignment with science or, I don't know, just left it on because they were about to get out of the car again? Or didn't want to bother taking off and putting it back on a bunch? There's any number of reasons someone may have worn a mask in the car.
(actually, since you believe humans are causing the earth to overhead, I assume you ride a bike everywhere)
Would love to, if only the US would invest in making biking feasible anywhere but a few places.
 
Who gives a rat's ass? Sorry you were inconvenienced lol.
Exactly what I mean.. You wore a mask without question because your liberal lefty leaders told you to. Then, you failed to see the stupidity of that requirement when it was only required when convenient.
 
When that's the case, there is no scientific consensus to speak of, so I (and scientists, for that matter) withhold accepting any particular claim. But, in the case of the three issues I've mentioned in this thread on which I claim you don't accept the science, 10 vs 10 doesn't accurately describe the situation.

As above, were this the case, I would be forced to say I don't know which group is correct. Though, on that particular topic, I'm pretty sure the data points one way.

Sounds more like that's what you're doing. There's a clear scientific consensus on climate change (which, I acknowledge, COULD be wrong), for instance. I accept that position as likely true, because that's what the science says, not because that's what so-called liberals say. But, conservatives don't, and, since you're a conservative, you reject the scientific consensus and pretend there's somehow "equal" science the other way, when there just isn't.

I'm a liberal, among other reasons, because liberal positions on scientific issues are far more likely to comport with what the best science currently available says, whereas you have to dismiss science as being "liberal" so that you can hold onto conservative positions that go against that science. I don't choose my science based on political party, I've chosen the party that more closely aligns with science.

All that said, you're more than welcome to hold the positions you do. There's nothing wrong with disagreement and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that science can and does get things wrong. Proving someone else, or yourself, wrong is how science works in the first place. But you don't get to claim your positions are the scientific ones (at least on the three issues I mentioned), because they're not. Just because science CAN be wrong doesn't mean that it IS wrong on any particular issue.
I never said I didn't believe in climate change. The position I've always maintained is that the climate is going to change regardless of what humans do or don't do. The earth will continue to heat and cool in cycles like it always has and whether I use an electric lawn mower won't change that.
But, if you do believe humans are responsible for climate change, then you better have a talk with China and India.
 
I'm sorry all of you are so triggered because all the scientists didn't come to all the right conclusions about an unknown, deadly disease in a few months.
Fauci and other scientists intentionally covered up info on the origins of covid. It was not a matter of wrong conclusions.
 
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But, if you do believe humans are responsible for climate change, then you better have a talk with China and India.
This.

How much of climate change is caused BY THE UNITED STATES? No one knows exactly, but it’s a small percentage, once you subtract the percentage that is not caused by man, and then you subtract the amount caused by China, India, and the rest of the world.
 
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