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I would rather.....
Give my head coach more than 10 games before I make snap judgements.
Who were you pulling for during the coaching search?
Is it though?
A lot has been made about “progress” but even Haze and Hope’s teams competed with some good teams.
Honestly, Fleck. Brohm was my 2nd choice. Not saying 1 is better than the other at this point.
All I’m saying...we’ve had winnable games and haven’t seized the moment. Really at all. That’s not really any different than it was before.
I️ don’t want Brohm gone. I’m just simply pointing out that not everything is roses and even if/when we get better...we will still have close games and if we continue to do this...we won’t ever get over the hump.
We almost beat MSU at their place with Blough a few years back. Almost beat them with Appleby at our place the next. Both with Haze here.
Hope beat OSU.
Fact is the talent is very poor. Maybe living here in SEC country it looks different to me. But I watch these teams and their 3rd string is faster, stronger and more athletic than our starters.
We don't close out games because we can't ultimately match their talent level and depth. There were times tonight NW was shuffling in defense packages of guys who were fresh. We cannot do that. But one thing is clear this team is heads and shoulder better coached than what we were the last 4.
I didn't want Hope fired. Y'all did. And we went through the single worst coach in the history of college football.
If our recruiting doesn't improve. Then we hired the wrong guy.
Fleck took a team that won 9 games and didn’t lose much and is hovering at .500.
Doubt he wins 4 at this point with Purdue.
I think we made the best hire we could.
No problems with that. Fleck didn’t want to be here and wasn’t a culture fit (ImO). I’m not saying we hired the wrong guy. All I’m saying is the guy we have better start winning these games that are there for the taking or recruiting won’t get better and we overall won’t get better.
Talent might get slightly better (we still finish in what, the 50s in recruiting this year?). Player development might get better but if we stay unable to finish...we won’t consistently win even 6. If that happens, we won’t get out of the bottom 3-4 in recruiting
I️ garuntee if we had finished a few of these games kids like Rondale Moore and future talent would be taking a harder look.
Maybe so. But he has already exceeded expectations in year 1. Wanna have greater expectations next year? That’s legit.
Honestly, after what I’ve seen this year and knowing we lose 8 Of our top 12 contributors on D next year...we won’t be any better than we were this year.
This was our shot to make a bowl and show promise. Now i fear we’ll have to wait til 2019. At the earliest
I think Holt is the real deal. I don’t think Brohm has even remotely instilled his offense yet. Doesn’t have the horse to do so. I think next year will be light years better than today’s Boilers.
The Tiller thing was because say what you want about Colletto the dude new talent and recruited it well.
I would disagree. I don't believe winning 4 games is exceeding expectations. I expected us to win 6 games including beating Rutgers. if we lose to IU, I would say we did not come close to my expectations. I expected a Hazell coached team to be able to beat Rutgers and Illinois.
the play I expected to see more of and still haven't seen thrown effectively is the home-run pass. last year with a terrible offensive line, we were able to connect on several home run passes for TDs. We've made strides hitting the 10-20 yard passes, but I was expecting a much bigger vertical game. and we keep saying we need our offensive line to give the QB more time. We were able to do it last year with less talent, why can't we do it this year?
Today's game was much like the Louisville game. We wasted too much time off the clock connecting on short passes. and on our last drive, Northwestern was expecting and waiting for us to pass. and we went to the well once too often. We were down by 10. We needed two scores with 3 minutes left, and it took us 2 minutes to get to the 50 yard line. We were running the clock out on ourselves, and northwestern was allowing us to do so. I really have not seen an effective 2 minute drill all year.
the play I expected to see more of and still haven't seen thrown effectively is the home-run pass. last year with a terrible offensive line, we were able to connect on several home run passes for TDs. We've made strides hitting the 10-20 yard passes, but I was expecting a much bigger vertical game. and we keep saying we need our offensive line to give the QB more time. We were able to do it last year with less talent, why can't we do it this year?
Today's game was much like the Louisville game. We wasted too much time off the clock connecting on short passes. and on our last drive, Northwestern was expecting and waiting for us to pass. and we went to the well once too often. We were down by 10. We needed two scores with 3 minutes left, and it took us 2 minutes to get to the 50 yard line. We were running the clock out on ourselves, and northwestern was allowing us to do so. I really have not seen an effective 2 minute drill all year.
So you expected a team who hadn’t won more than 3 games to just double their wins?
Try living in reality in the future. More than 2 wins and this coach is a miracle worker. Rutgers has been our recruiting us consistently.
Back in August, I said that if Purdue could manage to go 5-7 and avoid the ugly beatdowns that characterized the Hazell years that would be credible progress.
That's still on the table despite disappointing losses to Rutgers, Nebraska, and Northwestern. I'm concerned about the regression on offense, but I'm trying to keep in mind the injuries to Fuller, Jones, and Blough. The defense, in my opinion, is still MUCH improved over anything Purdue has put in the field in at least a decade.
Iowa might be the toughest test yet. Purdue has only won once at Kinnick since 1992, and the Hawkeyes will no doubt be looking to take out of
That's still on the table despite disappointing losses to Rutgers, Nebraska, and Northwestern. I'm concerned about the regression on offense, but I'm trying to keep in mind the injuries to Fuller, Jones, and Blough. The defense, in my opinion, is still MUCH improved over anything Purdue has put in the field in at least a decade.
Iowa might be the toughest test yet. Purdue has only won once at Kinnick since 1992, and the Hawkeyes will no doubt be looking to take out of
Totally agree. Brohm inherited a team with not much talent and depth.....a team that simply is not B10 caliber. DH2's recruiting was awful and it shows. For those who expect an instant turnaround the first season, it isn't going to happen. Give the new coach time......if you can't do that and demand success now, then jump on the Crimson Tide bandwagon. You will be happy every week.
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A very accurate assessment. We need speed and size. Can't win consistently without it, no matter how good the coaching staff is.
You don't understand how a team wouldn't be able to hit on the long ball more when the below average OL who lost LG and RG to the NFL (practice squads). They lost all three WR's and replaced with no experience.
It's pretty difficult to understand how people struggle with this concept. The OL was makeshift with a FCS starter on a One win team and another that didn't start for a MAC team.
I'm dealing with reality. And I read your posts which many times contradict themselves. You criticize Hope and his talent, and say he left the cupboard bare. . yet, somehow, he managed to win games and take Purdue to two bowl games with very little talent. Either he had talent or he didn't. and if he didn't have any talent, he must have been an awesome coach to win that many games without any talent. and it's not like he had a bunch of first round NFL players that left.
I don't know how many posts I've read about Hazell being the worst coach ever in the NCAA, and Brohm being a winner at every level he's coached at. if Hazell could win 3 games, which he did last year, surely Brohm could take that same talent and win at least 5 games. and it's not like the players who left after last year were awesome players who could not be replaced. Yancy was a nice receiver. people seemed to like the two defensive linemen that left. but it's not like they were ALL BIG 10 players.
and look at recruiting. Brohm didn't sign all those JUCOs as part of a long term rebuilding move. they were supposed to be quick fixes that would not require being redshirted. Brohm added experienced players to our offensive and defensive lines Brohm added two juco and one transfer to our wide receiver core (Wright, Zico, Holmes) that many here thought would step into the voids and become our starting Wrs. Unfortunately, of that three, only Wright has contributed.
it was thought Borhm's experience at QB would bring out Sindelar's talent. That is still a work in progress.
The reality is I believe everyone on this board expected Purdue to beat Illinois and Rutgers even if Hazell was still coaching. and the reality is no BIG 10 team should ever lose to a MAC team. I believe Purdue's loss to Toledo broke that streak.
So my expectations were that Purdue would beat Ohio, Illinois and Rutgers, and I thought we could pull an upset along the way against NW, minn, missou or somebody and because of emotions, we'd beat IU. that's 5 - possibly 6 wins. I'm not the guy who after two games predicted we'd go 8-4 and to the outback bowl. i'm the guy who predicted 4 definite wins and two possible wins. I believe that's a pretty realistic expectation.
if expecting 5-6 wins is not being realistic after firing the worst coach in the history of college football, what is? Even Hazell could generate 3 wins. I believe my expectations are very realistic.
What I believe is being unrealistic is firing Hazell and expecting the same results. We fired the worst coach to walk and chew gum , and you posters expected the same results? to me, that's unrealistic. if you expected the same results, then what was the purpose of firing Hazell?
I don't know how many posts I've read about Hazell being the worst coach ever in the NCAA, and Brohm being a winner at every level he's coached at. if Hazell could win 3 games, which he did last year, surely Brohm could take that same talent and win at least 5 games. and it's not like the players who left after last year were awesome players who could not be replaced. Yancy was a nice receiver. people seemed to like the two defensive linemen that left. but it's not like they were ALL BIG 10 players.
and look at recruiting. Brohm didn't sign all those JUCOs as part of a long term rebuilding move. they were supposed to be quick fixes that would not require being redshirted. Brohm added experienced players to our offensive and defensive lines Brohm added two juco and one transfer to our wide receiver core (Wright, Zico, Holmes) that many here thought would step into the voids and become our starting Wrs. Unfortunately, of that three, only Wright has contributed.
it was thought Borhm's experience at QB would bring out Sindelar's talent. That is still a work in progress.
The reality is I believe everyone on this board expected Purdue to beat Illinois and Rutgers even if Hazell was still coaching. and the reality is no BIG 10 team should ever lose to a MAC team. I believe Purdue's loss to Toledo broke that streak.
So my expectations were that Purdue would beat Ohio, Illinois and Rutgers, and I thought we could pull an upset along the way against NW, minn, missou or somebody and because of emotions, we'd beat IU. that's 5 - possibly 6 wins. I'm not the guy who after two games predicted we'd go 8-4 and to the outback bowl. i'm the guy who predicted 4 definite wins and two possible wins. I believe that's a pretty realistic expectation.
if expecting 5-6 wins is not being realistic after firing the worst coach in the history of college football, what is? Even Hazell could generate 3 wins. I believe my expectations are very realistic.
What I believe is being unrealistic is firing Hazell and expecting the same results. We fired the worst coach to walk and chew gum , and you posters expected the same results? to me, that's unrealistic. if you expected the same results, then what was the purpose of firing Hazell?
Mr Rower, Fleck, overplayed his hand last year. He was the hot ticket and thought he would get a primo job. He may not have wanted the Purdue job but then had to settle for Minnesota.
There are lots of jobs better than purdue, but Minnesota is not one of them IMO
Wolegib,
Your expectations were not realistic. Very rarely do juco players have a huge impact in year one. It's year two where they typically do. In addition, Zico and Wright were summer enrollees, so they missed spring ball which can help expedite.
Purdue was blown out of most games under Hazell and haven't been under a Brohm. The tough losses have been difficult, however winning days are ahead.
Your expectations were not realistic. Very rarely do juco players have a huge impact in year one. It's year two where they typically do. In addition, Zico and Wright were summer enrollees, so they missed spring ball which can help expedite.
Purdue was blown out of most games under Hazell and haven't been under a Brohm. The tough losses have been difficult, however winning days are ahead.
I wouldn't list walk ons.
There are some high level FBS teams who have relied on walk ons as starters. Wisky is one. Nebraska has a deep tradition of walk ons.
Lol you can expect whatever you want it doesn't make it likely, probable or realistic.
I think the fact that we've been in every game this year into the fourth quarter or later is a minor miracle. I expected us to lose some winnable games. Most teams do, even good ones. Personally, before the season I thought only illinois and Rutgers would be for sure winnable and I was hoping Ohio would be and maybe sneak out another game somewhere.
If you're not incredibly excited about what this program can be under Brohm I don't know what to tell you. You're probably one of the people on here that live to get on here and bitch about Coach Painter each time we lose a basketball game. People across the conference and country see it. If you removed your head from your anus you'd probably see it too.
I think the fact that we've been in every game this year into the fourth quarter or later is a minor miracle. I expected us to lose some winnable games. Most teams do, even good ones. Personally, before the season I thought only illinois and Rutgers would be for sure winnable and I was hoping Ohio would be and maybe sneak out another game somewhere.
If you're not incredibly excited about what this program can be under Brohm I don't know what to tell you. You're probably one of the people on here that live to get on here and bitch about Coach Painter each time we lose a basketball game. People across the conference and country see it. If you removed your head from your anus you'd probably see it too.
Excuses stop when CJB shows that he can not recruit and can not show improvement from year to year.....I only wish that CJB had followed up after HOPE.....He would have had more talent to work with IMO...
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