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Worst Big Ten Championship team ever?

I think that the question needs to be asked: is the perception of a weak B1G simply due to the fact that IU is bad and NW fairly decent?

The media has its darlings snd the media shapes perception. One only has to listen to DickieV and ESPN to know that conference strength is heavily correlated with media favorite strength. Take the Big12, Kansas has won or tied for first the last 13 years. That tells me a conference overall is weak, yet the conference is perceived as strong because a media fav is strong. NW, a historically weak team, is doing well so the B1G must be bad.ACC teams can accumulate losses yet not drop in polling because the other ACC teams are strong according to perception. On the other hand, a road loss in the Big Ten is a catastrophe and cites weakness.

Branding can often allow the maintenance of a strong market position before poor product quality catches up over time. Think US autos in the 1970s and 80s.
 
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I think that the question needs to be asked: is the perception of a weak B1G simply due to the fact that IU is bad and NW fairly decent?

The media has its darlings snd the media shapes perception. One only has to listen to DickieV and ESPN to know that conference strength is heavily correlated with media favorite strength. Take the Big12, Kansas has won or tied for first the last 13 years. That tells me a conference oversll is weak, yet the conference is perceived as strong because a media fav is strong. NW, a historically weak team, is doing well so the B1G mudt be bad.ACc teams can accumulate losses yet not drop in polling because the other ACC teams are strong according to perception. On the other hand, a road loss in the Big Ten is a catastrophe and cites weakness.

Branding can often allow the maintenance of a strong market position before poor product quality catches up over time. Think US autos in the 1970s and 80s.
Very true...the media programming. The Big is tough every year.
 
For league play, who cares, we are the B1G champions, that's all that matters. I'm happy to have another B1G championship and to regain the lead in that category as IU tied us last year.

Now for the NCAAT, it matters. Jerry Palm right now is projecting that Purdue will be a 4, Minny a 5 and Wisky and Maryland a 6. When is the last time the B1G's best seed finished as a 4? Last year we had a 2, 2 years ago a 1, 3 years ago two 2's, 4 years ago we had a 1,2,3,4 (4th best team was a 4!), and all I see are 1's and 2's for the B1G's best in the past. I'm sure it's happened before, where the top seed was in the 4 range, but I think it's been a while.
 
I think that the question needs to be asked: is the perception of a weak B1G simply due to the fact that IU is bad and NW fairly decent?

The media has its darlings snd the media shapes perception. One only has to listen to DickieV and ESPN to know that conference strength is heavily correlated with media favorite strength. Take the Big12, Kansas has won or tied for first the last 13 years. That tells me a conference oversll is weak, yet the conference is perceived as strong because a media fav is strong. NW, a historically weak team, is doing well so the B1G mudt be bad.ACc teams can accumulate losses yet not drop in polling because the other ACC teams are strong according to perception. On the other hand, a road loss in the Big Ten is a catastrophe and cites weakness.

Branding can often allow the maintenance of a strong market position before poor product quality catches up over time. Think US autos in the 1970s and 80s.
Possibly. But it also has to due with the Big Ten's losing record against P5 conference teams this year. Our teams had a lot of opportunities against good OOC teams and lost the majority of them.

Back to the OP question (as if it were legit).. IU 2016.
 
I think that the question needs to be asked: is the perception of a weak B1G simply due to the fact that IU is bad and NW fairly decent?

The media has its darlings snd the media shapes perception. One only has to listen to DickieV and ESPN to know that conference strength is heavily correlated with media favorite strength. Take the Big12, Kansas has won or tied for first the last 13 years. That tells me a conference oversll is weak, yet the conference is perceived as strong because a media fav is strong. NW, a historically weak team, is doing well so the B1G mudt be bad.ACc teams can accumulate losses yet not drop in polling because the other ACC teams are strong according to perception. On the other hand, a road loss in the Big Ten is a catastrophe and cites weakness.

Branding can often allow the maintenance of a strong market position before poor product quality catches up over time. Think US autos in the 1970s and 80s.

I think the fact that the best non-conference B1G team is now in the tank hurts. Look at the B1G's best teams and how they did outside of league. Purdue's best effort was a neutral court win over ND (good win but not great), Wisky's best was at home over Cuse? Maryland got a home win over OK St, which is decent.

If the B1G wants to prove themselves, they are going to have to do it in March and April... they certainly have not done much to this point.
 
For league play, who cares, we are the B1G champions, that's all that matters. I'm happy to have another B1G championship and to regain the lead in that category as IU tied us last year.

Now for the NCAAT, it matters. Jerry Palm right now is projecting that Purdue will be a 4, Minny a 5 and Wisky and Maryland a 6. When is the last time the B1G's best seed finished as a 4? Last year we had a 2, 2 years ago a 1, 3 years ago two 2's, 4 years ago we had a 1,2,3,4 (4th best team was a 4!), and all I see are 1's and 2's for the B1G's best in the past. I'm sure it's happened before, where the top seed was in the 4 range, but I think it's been a while.

From last week's post:

2003 (Wisconsin (21) champ, Illinois (11)) - Illinois was a 4-seed, Wisconsin a 5-seed.

2002 (Illinois (13) tri-champ) - 4-seed.

The conference still ended up with a team in the FF in 2002, and Regional Finalist in 2003.
 
From last week's post:

2003 (Wisconsin (21) champ, Illinois (11)) - Illinois was a 4-seed, Wisconsin a 5-seed.

2002 (Illinois (13) tri-champ) - 4-seed.

The conference still ended up with a team in the FF in 2002, and Regional Finalist in 2003.

Thanks, so it has been a while. Hopefully we beat NW and do well in the B1G tourney and end up on that 4 line and avoid the dreaded 5 seed. Not that 4 is exciting but it is a chance and as someone posted, has a much higher success rate than 5 seeds.
 
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Possibly. But it also has to due with the Big Ten's losing record against P5 conference teams this year. Our teams had a lot of opportunities against good OOC teams and lost the majority of them.

Back to the OP question (as if it were legit).. IU 2016.
It's not how you start, but how you finish. We lost to Nova and Louisville early and IU beat Kansas and NC early. That was in November/December. Which is the better team now? I think this Purdue team is much improved from what it was then. Vince, Dakota, Cline, Carsen, Biggie, PJ, and Spike have all gotten better and this team has jelled since then. Of course other teams have gotten better too. Have we improved more? I think so. We'll know in the next few weeks.
 
I think that the question needs to be asked: is the perception of a weak B1G simply due to the fact that IU is bad and NW fairly decent?

The media has its darlings snd the media shapes perception. One only has to listen to DickieV and ESPN to know that conference strength is heavily correlated with media favorite strength. Take the Big12, Kansas has won or tied for first the last 13 years. That tells me a conference overall is weak, yet the conference is perceived as strong because a media fav is strong. NW, a historically weak team, is doing well so the B1G must be bad.ACC teams can accumulate losses yet not drop in polling because the other ACC teams are strong according to perception. On the other hand, a road loss in the Big Ten is a catastrophe and cites weakness.

Branding can often allow the maintenance of a strong market position before poor product quality catches up over time. Think US autos in the 1970s and 80s.

I have seen years when the B10 was considered weak and then outperformed the so-called power conferences in the tourney, even with unfavorable seeds. In fact, the committee has put two of the better teams in the same region. The result is they knock each other off before getting to the regional finals, eliminating the chance of one making it to the FF. I won't be at all shocked if the B1G surprises this year.
 
I'd say they would give the 1917 Illinois co-champs a run for the money.
I don't know man. Wilbur "Stilts" Maghee was a 6'2" 140 lb center who shot over 10% from outside the paint, unheard of accuracy from deep back in the days of the set shot. He averaged 4 pts and 8 boards per game and set the big record with 24 double singles that season. No way our bigs could defend that kind of production.
 
I'll take it but name one former big ten championship team that this Purdue team could beat.
I was gonna say this years team could beat one of the other Purdue Big 10 champ teams but then I realized how weird that would sound to say that we could beat ourselves. :eek:
 
You will notice that Boilerfan33 has not followed up his OP. If he had really wanted to discuss this topic, you would see additional posts from him. He just dropped his turd and ran, which is very typical of an internet troll. This thread should probably be deleted, and 33 banned from this board.
 
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You will notice that Boilerfan33 has not followed up his OP. If he had really wanted to discuss this topic, you would see additional posts from him. He just dropped his turd and ran, which is very typical of an internet troll. This thread should probably be deleted, and 33 banned from this board.

More work for Cleanface....

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You will notice that Boilerfan33 has not followed up his OP. If he had really wanted to discuss this topic, you would see additional posts from him. He just dropped his turd and ran, which is very typical of an internet troll. This thread should probably be deleted, and 33 banned from this board.

What's there to follow up with other than people have WAY too much time on their hands and take things on here WAY too seriously.
 
You will notice that Boilerfan33 has not followed up his OP. If he had really wanted to discuss this topic, you would see additional posts from him. He just dropped his turd and ran, which is very typical of an internet troll. This thread should probably be deleted, and 33 banned from this board.
Why don't you cry about it you little girl.
 
I'll take it but name one former big ten championship team that this Purdue team could beat.

Big Ten conference play started in the 1917-1918 season, so I'd say that they could probably beat all of those championship teams from the inaugural season up until about the 1959-1960 season, and that's just for starters. One can make a case that they would beat the B1G champs from several other seasons after that as well:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/big-ten/
 
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