Just changing the subject. Coach Painter will have a since last season to find a way break the press. Will this be his Achilles heel(Keady's was inbounding)? If he does this could be a special season, if not it won't be special. How do you think he could do it? No comment about football, dead buried,past mourning. AD and Coach still employed.
Will Painter find a way to break the press?
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We couldn't break the press last year and that was a good season. We will have a good season no matter what this year, even if we can't break the press.
I think we need to have 2 good ball handlers and a big who can move on the court at all times. Hill, Ray and Vince are the keys to break the press IMO. They need to be on the court the majority of the game this year. Need the guys who can dribble to move around the court and then the big to be able to catch a high pass and keep it moving down the court with high passes.
Painter coached teams have problems inbounding the ball. It's been a chronic problem he can't seem to solve. He was a slow footed guard in college. Does this some how translate.
I think this is the year we do better against the press. We lost Octeus, but gained Hill + Biggie, a very good passing big. And if Cline doesn't redshirt I could see him helping with the press along with Mathias; both have very good passing & court vision.
In hockey a good team has its set of people who neutralize the power play, and they practice it quite a bit. We need the same IMO for beating the press. Maybe some guys (e.g. Basil, Jacquil) who will likely see fewer minutes than they would prefer should try to get good at press breaking.
To me, it's about quick safe passing, being mentally ahead of the defense, and confidence + good technique when trapped with the ball. Ideally, you attack & make the other team pay for taking the risk of pressing. Yes, you need quickness and ball handling, but it is the passing, teamwork, and coolness under pressure that makes a big difference (exception: having one super quick guy who can get past the press on his own).
As soon as you have a game or two where the press gave you trouble, I think it becomes a specter that negatively impacts the confidence part every time, so I would advocate practicing beating the press early in the season to improve the odds that we will beat it with no problems the first couple times we see it.
In hockey a good team has its set of people who neutralize the power play, and they practice it quite a bit. We need the same IMO for beating the press. Maybe some guys (e.g. Basil, Jacquil) who will likely see fewer minutes than they would prefer should try to get good at press breaking.
To me, it's about quick safe passing, being mentally ahead of the defense, and confidence + good technique when trapped with the ball. Ideally, you attack & make the other team pay for taking the risk of pressing. Yes, you need quickness and ball handling, but it is the passing, teamwork, and coolness under pressure that makes a big difference (exception: having one super quick guy who can get past the press on his own).
As soon as you have a game or two where the press gave you trouble, I think it becomes a specter that negatively impacts the confidence part every time, so I would advocate practicing beating the press early in the season to improve the odds that we will beat it with no problems the first couple times we see it.
I think he's saying a good season, not a good enough for Purdue season. I wouldn't consider a first round loss a good season this year.
I'll answer that with two questions:
- What would lead one to believe Purdue shouldn't be better equipped to handle the press over last season? Purdue replaces Octeus (who wasn't a true PG and struggled at times) with Hill (who is more of a PG but the verdict is out on whether he can break a press). They'll return more experienced players in Thompson, Mathias, Edwards and Davis who may improve in their decision making.
- Exactly how many times was Purdue pressed last season? I recall Minnesota, Illinois and Kansas State. Were there others that I'm missing? Even if I missed a couple, it's not like we play a murderer's row of teams that love to press so I think the concern is overstated.
Maybe it is overstated...unless you are playing VCU in the round of 32.
I don't think it's overstated. Purdue needs to finish better.
I think that a year of extra experience at most positions should help, but Purdue will be tested until it proves that it can make a defense pay for pressing.
Cincinnati in the NCAAT. Their pressing and horrible FT shooting made Purdue cough up the game. It never should have gone into OT in the first place, but we handled their press very poorly. Also, the games you listed - did we win any of those? In fact, the only game I remember where we were pressed heavily and still won was @ Rutgers, and they gave us a scare. They were a poor team, but pretty athletic at the guard position.
The concern is NOT overstated. It could mean the difference between a BIG Championship or not or the difference between wins and losses in the NCAAT.
I feel this, breaking the press will define Painter as either a good coach, or a very good coach. The really good ones identify their weaknesses and find a solution. Perhaps the key will be utilizing his bigs catching and making the "good" pass up court when there, then not pulling up and resetting. Taking it to the basket and drawing the foul or getting the points. Perhaps someone with a better background than mine has a thought, Pulling up and resetting the offense seems counter productive when you break the press unless you are at a disadvantage.
Pretty much every mention of Biggie is that he is a great passer. The last big guy that fits that mold that comes to mind for me is Green from MSU a few years ago. If Biggie can help break the press the way Green did, I think we will be just fine. IMO, good team fundamentals break the press better than a single fast point guard.
"THE PRESS"...when I see the words... the press...what is it? Is it a zone press with an odd front or an even front? Will whoever employs the press guard the triggerman or allow the entry pass before pressure? Will the pressure be full, 3/4 or half court pressure? Will the press (or trap) change in the same game as far as types of press and/or degrees of pressure? Will we see similar conditions with a man press or run and jump? We are all speculating on what we saw last year and this is a new team. However, make no mistake that smaller quicker teams want to get up and down with AJ and Haas running between the Ft lines all game and will no doubt test Purdue.
Purdue's "team" weakness is slower feet, but a strength is cerebral understanding and good passers outside the guards with enough height to go over the top when needed. Purdue will be tested, but I really think constant pressure will not work against Purdue unless it is an exceptional pressing team. I think most teams will press Purdue to eat clock. This will be changing up the degrees of pressure and types of press to keep Purdue studying what is going on and use clock to reduce the time allowed for good post play. It should be a fun season..
Purdue's "team" weakness is slower feet, but a strength is cerebral understanding and good passers outside the guards with enough height to go over the top when needed. Purdue will be tested, but I really think constant pressure will not work against Purdue unless it is an exceptional pressing team. I think most teams will press Purdue to eat clock. This will be changing up the degrees of pressure and types of press to keep Purdue studying what is going on and use clock to reduce the time allowed for good post play. It should be a fun season..
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