Wilkes & Scruggs
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So, are you saying Purdue has been unlucky for 36 years (our last FF was 1980......)?
How many times have we beat higher seeds in the tourney in the last 36 years compared to losing to lower seeds?
While recruiting class rankings may not matter to you, there's a direct correlation to having highly ranked recruiting class and having success in the tourney. It's not 'luck' as you would believe. Eventually talent wins out, especially when you get deep in the tourney and you're playing teams with 2-3 NBA prospects.
The other factor is coaching. I don't think many would argue that Keady wasn't a good tourney coach. And, maybe the jury is still out on Painter, but I think the next 2-3 years will determine that.
Do you think iu's fans and administration's goals are just to sign Top 30 recruiting classes and win enough to make the tourney? Of course not. They expect FFs and shots at NCs. Why should Purdue's fans expectations be any different?
My sense is that you're afraid of change because something bad could happen. Well, I'm a 'glass half full' type and look at the potential of another coach coming in and making Purdue a perennial FF and NC contender.
Obviously not all 36 years but there have been some big spots where we have been that potentially cost us Final Fours. Those have been the injuries to Big Dog (played through but hampered him in Elite 8 game) and Hummel (out for 2 tournaments). Another one that doesn't get talked about as much is the Cornell injury in 1998 where we lost to Stanford in the Sweet Sixteen (who then went on to the Final Four). Cornell played but the difference in his game before and after the injury was very noticeable if I recall correctly.
First, I never said it was all luck but if you don't believe that luck is a factor then you are a fool.
Second, we can't control recruiting. This isn't a professional sport where everyone has equal access to players through a draft. Go look around at the teams that just "talent" their ways to the Final Four every so often and see if we want to compete recruiting like they do? UNC, Louisville, Michigan State, and there are many more that we haven't heard about. It's not a level field and a Final Four isn't worth selling your soul for. Our opportunities will be more limited because we're not going to sign a Baby Boilers class every other year. A McDonald's AA like Swanigan isn't going to end up at Purdue as often as Kentucky. What I care about is that we have a coach that can win with what he can get.
Why is Crean still there then? 8 seasons and plenty of talent and still hasn't got past the Sweet 16. And when did IU fans become a model for our behavior anyway?
My sense is that you are a blowhard fool who won't be happy until we are waiting out a bad contract on the basketball coach we tried just for the sake of change just like we are on the football coach. Then you can shrug your shoulders and say "Oh, well... We tried!!!" while ignoring the consequences of that action (in the case of the football program it is lack of interest and embarrassingly empty stadiums). So yes, I do recognize that there are some potentially serious negative consequences of switching coaches. You may be able to walk away from the team when they are terrible (like most have in football) but the athletic department still has to operate and live with the consequences of that decision.
Ladies and Gentlemen:
In the Black Corner......weighing in at ***, you knew him as Lenny.....taking the side for change.......he's now Back in Black and better than ever.......the Bonefishhhhhhh!
and in the Gold Corner.......weighing in at ***, ......taking the side for the administration.....TC "the Golden Boy" 4threeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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In the Black Corner......weighing in at ***, you knew him as Lenny.....taking the side for change.......he's now Back in Black and better than ever.......the Bonefishhhhhhh!
and in the Gold Corner.......weighing in at ***, ......taking the side for the administration.....TC "the Golden Boy" 4threeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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Bone, you seem more like a "glass half empty" type to me.
You avoid looking at the good in WHAT WE HAVE and chose to focus on WHAT WE DON'T HAVE.
That really seems like you are looking at the empty and not the full part of the glass.
So, I'll sum it up for you: You're OK with your programs being average/good, because that's the best you think they can do. There's no reason to expect more because there's too many disadvantages (weather, location, academics, etc) and too many other program simply get the talent. You're afraid of change because you're afraid that you can go from average/good to average/bad instead of potentially becoming very good/great. You're just too risk averse to take that shot.
Keep buying those bonds.....
Well done!Ladies and Gentlemen:
In the Black Corner......weighing in at ***, you knew him as Lenny.....taking the side for change.......he's now Back in Black and better than ever.......the Bonefishhhhhhh!
and in the Gold Corner.......weighing in at ***, ......taking the side for the administration.....TC "the Golden Boy" 4threeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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Nope. I just have perspective and Purdue making the Final Four isn't the be-all-end-all of my life. It's certainly not so important for me to give up on a season 3 or 4 years down the road when one kid commits to Louisville. Nice life!
Risks should be calculated. They shouldn't be, "Oh my internet ego is bruised because we lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament so I'm going to whine and cry about seasons 3 and 4 years down the road because we lost one recruit to Louisville. Let's burn it all down and start from scratch."
That's not buying stocks instead of bonds. That's buying a lottery ticket as your retirement plan. Just plain stupid.
You are on a roll
Nice circle jerk going on between you two. Why don't you invite Kessleshmeide and Purdue4sore to complete the quartet.
I don't know lets get that clear. But I think Painter knows he needs to succeed to,stay. IIRC that extension came with a lower buyout indicating he has more years but can be more easily bought out if we go into another slide.
Oh I get it, since you haven't been able to refute anything he said your next tactic is to lash out at others. Pretty predictably too there Lenny.
So what if I think his responses were good? They were, so maybe instead of trying to focus on me perhaps you should focus more on logically refuting what he said?
That is what is kind of funny in all of this. People complain about not being able to have an opinion, yet then turn right around and do the things that were complained about to others.
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Have you seen that anywhere other than the speculation on this board? I thought I read in an article that the full contract terms are yet to be released until it's ratified by the BOT later this month.
Why are we still on the subject of these two who cares they're not coming to Purdue
Shouldn't you be running back to your IU board now? Do you honestly thing people hear still think you're a Purdue fan?
And before you respond that you don't care, you most certainly do or you wouldn't be here posting this in the first place.
High risk doesn't guarantee high reward. Also the reward for risk is never risk.
There was a question earlier about painter beating better seeds as compared to losing to worse seeds.
07 - beat better seed of Florida
09 - beat better seed Washington
11 - lost to worse seed vcu
12 - beat better seed st Mary's
16 - lost to worse seed Arkansas
So he's 3-2 against your made up, arbitrary metric.
There are many choices that are high risk with little reward. There are low risk choices with strong rewards. One does not automatically follow the other.
Hey! That will be enough of that using facts to support an opinion. How is a guy supposed to support his agenda with you doing that kind of thing?
ya, still 3 upset wins vs 2 upset losses, 8-8 overall.
of the 3 upset wins - one was an 8/9 game, one a 4/5 game, and one 7/10 st mary's.
of the 2 upset losses - game seeding was 3/11, 5/12.
so while having 1 more upset win, i think the seed disparity is why some fans will feel the pain of the losses more than the excitement of those wins.
Or they could be rational and see that in painter's tenure Purdue has been upset twice. That fact doesn't bother me.
But I don't believe the point of the ncaa tourney is to crown the best team. Rather it is to maximize revenue.
Most people don't pay attention to college bball until March. And so I can see how those type of "fans" would be disappointed with anything less than a s16 for a team ranked all year.
In your opinion, How would you like the NCAA to crown a champ in basketball and most other sports?
Prefer the prior fbs poll-style champions?
That's fair, but fives beat twelves with surprising regularity. In the last 5 years, 12 seeds have a 10-10 record against five seeds and there have been 46 5/12 upsets since the field expanded to 64. I believe that the reason is that the pressure is all on the 5 seeds and the twelve seeds are teams good enough to win an at large bid.
What made the Little Rock loss so tough to swallow is how Purdue lost. The pressure got to the team. There are issues there that need to be addressed. I think that the players will come back mentally tougher this season, but I won't know for sure until the end of the season.
If you are willing to gamble for high stakes you have a greater reward if you win. If you lose, the loss is more also. A really great player can make you or hurt you if they are a bust especially when you toss a lot of eggs into one basket.
That is true. My comment was meant as if you put a lot of time and resources into a recruit then he is a bust of you lose him it costs. Scruggs has no interest in anything Purdue. Wilkes I think is being kind to out recruitment. Chasing him could be high reward or high risk by losing other recruits because of his recruitment.There are many choices that are high risk with little reward. There are low risk choices with strong rewards. One does not automatically follow the other.
Wilkes is national and Painter will be just one of many who didn't get him back if he goes elsewhere. Scruggs is from a IU and Ky part of Indiana.
Also, Painter could have instructed P.J. Thompson to foul Josh Hagins before/instead of letting him shoot the 3PT in the final seconds of regulation. I don't remember if they were over-the-limit or not, but if not, foul and then foul again before he shoots it and force him to the FT line.
Yes, in retrospect this would have been the way to go. In reality we forced hagins into a really tough shot that he unfortunately made. Sometimes that's just the way it goes. It sucks, but I don't see why we are still rehashing all this.
My fault. That wasn't my intent, though.
I've been thinking about the mental toughness thing since listening to a podcast with Josh Bonhotal before the Spain trip where he talked about that game. It's interesting stuff which I bring up not to nitpick on anyone, but to think about what the 2017 team needs to address in order to fulfill their potential.
