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Why would you go to IU if you're a PG?

Yup we did with an unbalanced roster. We had no shooters. We had guys who could get to the rim but couldn't shoot. This year, we have shooters, guys who can get to the rim and now a big man. Really isn't hard to see the huge differences.
So you had no shooters but still couldn't feed the post? Is that gonna change now that you do have shooters?
Once again, you were ranked preseason, lost to Purdue and didn't play in the postseason. You didn't have anyone who could shoot but also couldn't get the ball to a 5* big who went in the NBA lottery.
Hmmm... But this year will be different. All because... You say so.
 
I think the only change I would make to your prediction is the relative position of MSU and Purdue. Like Purdue, MSU lost their senior PG and must replace him. I think we might agree that TumTum is not the answer. Just like PJ maight not be the answer for Purdue. The difference is that MSU lost a few more players and might be considered young. Talented but young. That creates inconsistency. Young teams play great one week and terrible the next. I think that will push MSU down into the second tier for next year.

In some respects I think next year will be similar to this year. One team above the pack, Whisky 2014 & MD 2015, with everybody else chasing them.

If Purdue can land an experiejnced PG transfer, then I might say that there will be two teams in the top bracket. We will see how that goes. I can see the argument against, but just consider it one guys' opinion at this point.

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I don't understand all the MSU love either. Expecting a lot out of these freshmen.
 
Yup we did with an unbalanced roster. We had no shooters. We had guys who could get to the rim but couldn't shoot. This year, we have shooters, guys who can get to the rim and now a big man. Really isn't hard to see the huge differences.

You're crowing so loudly about your "big man" curing your ill's. He's coming in as a four star, the same as AJ came to Purdue. What makes you think your new, best ever, biggy is going to be any more than AJ was as a frosh? AJ wouldn't have made a hill of beans difference in making IU that much of a better team when he was a frosh. Bryant is going to be closer to the freshman AJ that he is to even Kent Benson.
 
I don't understand all the MSU love either. Expecting a lot out of these freshmen.
What don't you understand? They return Valentine who will be an All B10 type. A few other compliment players like Tum Tum, Clark and Forbes along with Eron Harris who is a good scorer. They bring in two 5* bigs. Not hard to understand why people think they'll be at the top of he league.
 
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You're crowing so loudly about your "big man" curing your ill's. He's coming in as a four star, the same as AJ came to Purdue. What makes you think your new, best ever, biggy is going to be any more than AJ was as a frosh? AJ wouldn't have made a hill of beans difference in making IU that much of a better team when he was a frosh. Bryant is going to be closer to the freshman AJ that he is to even Kent Benson.
I've never said he was going to be the best new big ever. And I think even you can admit there is a difference between someone ranked in the 70s/80s and someone ranked 25/35.
 
So you had no shooters but still couldn't feed the post? Is that gonna change now that you do have shooters?
Once again, you were ranked preseason, lost to Purdue and didn't play in the postseason. You didn't have anyone who could shoot but also couldn't get the ball to a 5* big who went in the NBA lottery.
Hmmm... But this year will be different. All because... You say so.
Do you not understand how having no outside shooting could impact a team getting the ball into the paint? Surely that one doesn't need to be explained. I'll give you it wasn't all due to outside shooting, we could have been better at getting the ball down low, but no shooters really had an impact on that.
 
Do you not understand how having no outside shooting could impact a team getting the ball into the paint? Surely that one doesn't need to be explained. I'll give you it wasn't all due to outside shooting, we could have been better at getting the ball down low, but no shooters really had an impact on that.
This is Yogi's 4th year coming up. You keep acting like he's not a outside shooter. He is. And if Bryant expects to see the basketball, he better face the glass because Yogi has already proven he has no intention of passing into the post when he can dribble around and take a shot.
 
This is Yogi's 4th year coming up. You keep acting like he's not a outside shooter. He is. And if Bryant expects to see the basketball, he better face the glass because Yogi has already proven he has no intention of passing into the post when he can dribble around and take a shot.
We had one shooter. We didn't have enough shooters to keep defenses honest. They could sag into the lane and make it difficult for Vonleh to operate. Having ONE shooter doesn't change anything. Having three or four on the floor at the same time, does.
 
We had one shooter. We didn't have enough shooters to keep defenses honest. They could sag into the lane and make it difficult for Vonleh to operate. Having ONE shooter doesn't change anything. Having three or four on the floor at the same time, does.
Come on, Yogi never passed Noah the ball even when he was wide open. You seem to forget that Shesahe was also considered a outside shooter. That may have been the worst coaching job I've ever seen by a major college coach, until last year that is when Crean totally abandoned any effort to play defense.
 
Come on, Yogi never passed Noah the ball even when he was wide open. You seem to forget that Shesahe was also considered a outside shooter. That may have been the worst coaching job I've ever seen by a major college coach, until last year that is when Crean totally abandoned any effort to play defense.
You're right. He NEVER passed the ball to Noah. Not once. Ever. SMH
 
Do you not understand how having no outside shooting could impact a team getting the ball into the paint? Surely that one doesn't need to be explained. I'll give you it wasn't all due to outside shooting, we could have been better at getting the ball down low, but no shooters really had an impact on that.
Purdue was considered a poor shooting team this season. We had two centers who were lower ranked. Seems they got plenty of touches even though teams packed it in on us. I don't think your logic is making much sense to anyone other then you.
 
This is Yogi's 4th year coming up. You keep acting like he's not a outside shooter. He is. And if Bryant expects to see the basketball, he better face the glass because Yogi has already proven he has no intention of passing into the post when he can dribble around and take a shot.

Yogi gets his fair share of shots, no doubt. While it is his 4th year, his perimeter shot has really only been there for so and jr seasons. His shot was bad freshman year (don't know %, but it wasn't good). As Chevy mentioned in another thread, this could have been from his upper body development between HS and college that really took off his freshman year. Whatever the cause, he's been a much better shooter the past 2 years.

Regarding passing, IU's/Crean's offense is not like Purdue's/Painter's. It's not predicated on a big man overpowering his defender and posting up for a touch so as to allow the offense to set-up. Yogi might not be as good at making your classic post-entry pass as some PGs, but with the offense he's running, I think you could argue it's less of a concern than what it might be at - say - Purdue.

He may shoot a lot, but he's a pretty good distributor of the ball when it's called for. I think this is evidenced by his assist numbers last year compared to a guy like Octeus (nearly 2:1 if you can believe it). It's interesting because most people think of Octeus not for his individual offense, but for his adeptness at running the team offense, making others around him better, and getting his teammates in a position to score. Using only assists to measure that (which I know is not entirely fair), Yogi did that at nearly double the output that Octeus did, but you're implying that he can't pass and is a ballhog (not to put words in your mouth), which I think is kind of an unfair characterization.
 
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Ok pal. You find anyone that has PU ranked ahead of IU yet? Any publications that are predicting Purdue finish higher than IU? Homers. All of them. :rolleyes:

Here's a listing as of yesterday from all publications. Have fun debating for either team. I think both can be good, but both have 1 major issue to address.

PU - Creative PG (O could really create when matchup zone Ds stopped your passing lanes.

IU - defense. (I'd say new coach, but that's not happening this year)

http://m.iuhoosiers.com/m/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/042915aaa.html
 
Ok pal. You find anyone that has PU ranked ahead of IU yet? Any publications that are predicting Purdue finish higher than IU? Homers. All of them. :rolleyes:

Did you find anyone ranking Purdue ahead of iu last season? Hmmm? No? How did they finish? Now, let us know what your point is, if you can come up with one.

Silly, silly Snuie.
 
Did you find anyone ranking Purdue ahead of iu last season? Hmmm? No? How did they finish? Now, let us know what your point is, if you can come up with one.

Silly, silly Snuie.
My point? My point was to BBG that picking IU ahead of PU isn't a "homer" pick. Several publications have us ranked ahead of PU and have picked us to finish higher than PU. Just curious if he thinks that all of these people are "homers" as well.......
 
My point? My point was to BBG that picking IU ahead of PU isn't a "homer" pick. Several publications have us ranked ahead of PU and have picked us to finish higher than PU. Just curious if he thinks that all of these people are "homers" as well.......

YOU picking iu ahead of Purdue is a homer pick. Or do you only think they will be better because all of these other people think so? You're an iu fan. Think for yourself, then don't be so ashamed if you think your team will beat their rival.
 
As far as Blackmon goes, he is unlikely to see the NBA imo. His defense is admittedly by all terrible. He is not that fast. His ball-handling skills are poor. He can shoot when open, but is a stand-still shooter. His height is low for a SG at the pro level, but OK for college. Is it possible for him to improve in all of these areas? Of course, but I would not expect it. Of all, the speed and ball-handling are the most important for him imo.

As for Williams, his skill is athleticism. That is a dime a dozen in the NBA. Again, everyone recognizes him as a poor shooter. In the NBA, he would project as a SF. I have serious doubts that he can improve to the extent required in shooting from the outside for that position. You could project him as a defender SF a la Bowen, but he plays for Crean, so that is a totally absurd expectation.

Both players have one strong card to play, but to move higher, they need more. Under Crean, they are not going to get it.

To be honest, it would not surprise me to see JB Jr. leave the program for another after next year - I do not see the pros at all. I do not expect to see the improvement necessary and expected for him. Given the kudos coming out of HS, this will be a kick to the face. I can see the family pushing him to go elsewhere. If that happens, TC's hot seat will really see a rise in temperature.
 
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