Why Didn’t Painter Sub Out Players, and What Led to the Turnovers Late in the Game?

[tjreese]

I don't think they were gassed. Timeouts in the NCAA tournament are a minute longer than they are in the regular season and that gives well conditioned guys ample time to catch their breath. It's wild to me that fans think they know better with this stuff than the coaches who see them every day and the trainers that are charged with keeping them in top shape.

No question all the timeouts and reviews provide some rest...a bit more than during the season. However, the intensity is also increased as we noticed Trey was gasping in the half time interview. Still, the half rest gave them enough rest to come out and continue to play hard the second half. Purdue's D the last two games has been more effective and draining than during the season almost as though it is lose and go home! Your comments about more rest is true and something many are unaware.

 

[clankhan]

No question all the timeouts and reviews provide some rest...a bit more than during the season. However, the intensity is also increased as we noticed Trey was gasping in the half time interview. Still, the half rest gave them enough rest to come out and continue to play hard the second half. Purdue's D the last two games has been more effective and draining than during the season almost as though it is lose and go home! Your comments about more rest is true and something many are unaware.

Haha, thanks! Although I'm not sure if you were responding to me.

 

[tjreese]

Haha, thanks! Although I'm not sure if you were responding to me.

I get on here and get quoted a LOT and so I very easily could have responded incorrectly, but it is still my response for any interested.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Ohhh Pally are you gearing up for another L? If I recall correctly, you usually don't come out on top in these exchanges

Thanks for admitting that you’re a troll though (although we all already knew)

You wanted Painter fired 2 years ago:

Post in thread 'CMP/Purdue Choke Program of The Decade...'

https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/cmp-purdue-choke-program-of-the-decade.241014/post-3691657

You back for another L ???

 

[Steve83]

I don't think they were gassed. Timeouts in the NCAA tournament are a minute longer than they are in the regular season and that gives well conditioned guys ample time to catch their breath. It's wild to me that fans think they know better with this stuff than the coaches who see them every day and the trainers that are charged with keeping them in top shape.

“Coaches that see them every day “ could be applied to just about every post.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Why is he calling anyone that has any sort of critique or differing opinion, a troll?

Not sure but changing what he said doesn’t make you look good

 

[Born Boiler]

You wanted Painter fired 2 years ago:

Post in thread 'CMP/Purdue Choke Program of The Decade...'

https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/cmp-purdue-choke-program-of-the-decade.241014/post-3691657

You back for another L ???

That’s nothing. After Fairly Ridiculous, I wanted the whole school closed down.

Saturday was an ugly finish, outscored 13-3 in the final four minutes. Painter gave Colvin the hook -- after his two straight turnovers led to two straight layups he stood and watched -- at the same time McNeese’s four surrender subs came in and Purdue still had three starters on court. Most people prefer a solid finish and a final score that reflects the success, spread near 20 all day, so you sanctimonious dudes better count your own coaches among us scum-of-the-earth turnover-haters. We like Sweet Sixteens. Turnovers 15-16-17-18-19 in the last four minutes, not so much. 73-49 always looks better on the board than 76-62.

 

[clankhan]

Not sure but changing what he said doesn’t make you look good

Understood - but there’s no having a civilized discussion/disageement with Pally.

 

[clankhan]

You wanted Painter fired 2 years ago:

Post in thread 'CMP/Purdue Choke Program of The Decade...'

https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/cmp-purdue-choke-program-of-the-decade.241014/post-3691657

You back for another L ???

Wow, way to recycle my words and I’m honored you took a two-year deep dive just to dig that up. Funny thing is, if you actually read it properly, the worst I said was that I don’t get how people can defend him—which, given the facts, still holds up.

IIRC - last time we had this discussion, you ended up rage quitting after having a mini-meltdown. Maybe get out of your bubble once in a while—it might do you some good.

(I think the score is 14-0 right? You ready for a 15th? )

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Wow, way to recycle my words and I’m honored you took a two-year deep dive just to dig that up. Funny thing is, if you actually read it properly, the worst I said was that I don’t get how people can defend him—which, given the facts, still holds up.

What facts are those exactly?

 

[clankhan]

What facts are those exactly?

His recent tournament record , up to that point. If you disagree and have a different version of events; feel free to post it.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

His recent tournament record , up to that point. If you disagree and have a different version of events; feel free to post it.

So it’s only to when you said he should be fired after…the FDU loss?

 

[clankhan]

So it’s only to when you said he should be fired after…the FDU loss?

I mean if you weren’t on a slippery slope, you’d cite where I said that he should be fired. Feel free to post it doofy.

Last time I checked, still a free country and most “fans” would’ve been concerned after that loss.

Sorry if you disagree, but you’re entitled to your own opinion.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I mean if you weren’t on a slippery slope, you’d cite where I said that he should be fired. Feel free to post it doofy.

Last time I checked, still a free country and most “fans” would’ve been concerned after that loss.

Sorry if you disagree, but you’re entitled to your own opinion.

I was just asking where the cutoff was and didn’t feel like looking at your post history.

 

[clankhan]

I was just asking where the cutoff was and didn’t feel like looking at your post history.

So you didn’t want to go through my post history… yet somehow managed to dig up something from years ago? Impressive commitment for someone who ‘wasn’t interested.’

if you’re looking for a cutoff, maybe try the exact date and timestamp on the post you found.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

So you didn’t want to go through my post history… yet somehow managed to dig up something from years ago? Impressive commitment for someone who ‘wasn’t interested.’

if you’re looking for a cutoff, maybe try the exact date and timestamp on the post you found.

Dude, it wasn’t me that dug up anything..you had mentioned above that “facts still remain.” And I was asking what facts those were.

You were responding to new pal and I intervened and was curious what you two were talking about, so I asked you.

I haven’t ever seen you interact much. But Now going through your history, since you are being quite an ass, I see you wanted him gone after FDU.

Which, if we had, probably never had edey last year, nor smith the last two years. No F4, no 4th B1G championship in 8 years. No s16 or e8 last year. No s16 this year. No 3rd straight BTPOTY or 1st team AA.

Probably would have been like IU and not see the tourney the last two years.

 

[clankhan]

Dude, it wasn’t me that dug up anything..you had mentioned above that “facts still remain.” And I was asking what facts those were.

You were responding to new pal and I intervened and was curious what you two were talking about, so I asked you.

I haven’t ever seen you interact much. But Now going through your history, since you are being quite an ass, I see you wanted him gone after FDU.

Which, if we had, probably never had edey last year, nor smith the last two years. No F4, no 4th B1G championship in 8 years. No s16 or e8 last year. No s16 this year. No 3rd straight BTPOTY or 1st team AA.

Probably would have been like IU and not see the tourney the last two years.

I agree with your analysis but Didn’t you first dig up the post from years ago and accused me of being a troll and wanting Painter fired? That’s why I responded the way I did.

I’m going to be honest: I don’t post much on here and read regularly.

Was I unhappy when we had several straight years of losing to double digit seeds? Yes

Has that trend changed recently? Yes

Do I want Painter fired? No

We’re allowed to disagree and have opinions. At the end of the day, we’re all on the same side

 

[proudopete]

Woles burner ^^^^^^

 

[clankhan]

Woles burner ^^^^^^

Your mom is Woles’ burner. (Is this how this works?)

 

[Wolegib]

Looking ahead with a tough game coming up against Houston, it would have been nice to see Painter empty the bench with 20-30 seconds left with a commanding lead and give players like Wadell a chance to play in an NCAA tournament game, and also to see players like Smith and TKR to leave the game and receive some respect and cheers from the fans in attendance!

I have to believe if Painter had called a timeout and cleared his bench that McNeese. St would have done the same for their players.

When the game is won, it’s time to go into the victory formation. And give players like Rudy their 5 seconds of the limelight. Rather than playing Smith all 40 minutes.

That’s called sportsmanship!

 

[Wolegib]

Nothing much changes on this board does it? When the fire painter posters made, there were a lot of posters here who would agree with the sentiment expressed. Painter was not doing a very good job of coaching and getting the best out of his players. Painter has done a lot better job of coaching after that sentiment was expressed.

I know for a fact many of you posted the exact same sentiments. I have expressed my own viewpoints which a couple of you ha be agreed with. I believe Purdue’s perimeter defense by its starting guards needs a lot of improvement. I would like to see painter incorporate a zone defense into his arsenal. I would prefer the 3 be filled by a true small forward rather than another guard.

I may or not have said Painter should be fired in the past. But if took the time to read my entire posts, my comments always included the statement that if you wanted Painter fired, who would you hire in his place. Of which nobody ever replied! My philosophy is if you want to fire someone, you need to have the courage to name someone else!

There was a certain poster here who suggested Purdue hire Myles as a football coach. And there are certain posters here that bring it up every chance they get. That post was made almost 4 years ago. But people here never forget one post. The truth be told, Myles probably would have been a better choice than Walters! I suggested Ohio State’s Tressel. Or Tommy Bowden Nobody liked that suggestion either. Tressel was such a bad idea that he is now lt governor of Ohio. I guess somebody likes him.

This is supposed to be a forum. By definition a forum is where people ask questions and a civil discussion takes place to answer the question and look at the question from different perspectives. Rather than name calling, forums were designed to share ideas and thoughts. I guess somebody of you are so wrapped up in up in finding fault with others, you forget We are all Purdue fans. Otherwise, we’d post on other forums.

I’ve posted on many other college forums! If you treat their fans with respect they will reciprocate . If you treat others like dirt, surely you will have dirt thrown back at you!

I didn’t start this thread and I didn’t contribute to it until I saw you used my name in vain once more. I thought I made it clear I have one name and I don’t appreciate my name being treated with undue harassment! My name is not Wole! Is it Dwuwayne?

As for that big beautiful guy BBG, he doesn’t realize how Georgians he is when he’s bullying others! He gets so flush when people name calling him.

As for chi chi, he doesn’t care as long as you place your bets on time!

And do dew Pooh daddy? Enough said! Wasn’t he supposed to to be the forum’s moderator?

At NASA , differing opinions were encouraged. This sure isn’t NASA. No rockets crashed on my watch.

 

[boilerzz]

Nothing much changes on this board does it? When the fire painter posters made, there were a lot of posters here who would agree with the sentiment expressed. Painter was not doing a very good job of coaching and getting the best out of his players. Painter has done a lot better job of coaching after that sentiment was expressed.

I know for a fact many of you posted the exact same sentiments. I have expressed my own viewpoints which a couple of you ha be agreed with. I believe Purdue’s perimeter defense by its starting guards needs a lot of improvement. I would like to see painter incorporate a zone defense into his arsenal. I would prefer the 3 be filled by a true small forward rather than another guard.

I may or not have said Painter should be fired in the past. But if took the time to read my entire posts, my comments always included the statement that if you wanted Painter fired, who would you hire in his place. Of which nobody ever replied! My philosophy is if you want to fire someone, you need to have the courage to name someone else!

There was a certain poster here who suggested Purdue hire Myles as a football coach. And there are certain posters here that bring it up every chance they get. That post was made almost 4 years ago. But people here never forget one post. The truth be told, Myles probably would have been a better choice than Walters! I suggested Ohio State’s Tressel. Or Tommy Bowden Nobody liked that suggestion either. Tressel was such a bad idea that he is now lt governor of Ohio. I guess somebody likes him.

This is supposed to be a forum. By definition a forum is where people ask questions and a civil discussion takes place to answer the question and look at the question from different perspectives. Rather than name calling, forums were designed to share ideas and thoughts. I guess somebody of you are so wrapped up in up in finding fault with others, you forget We are all Purdue fans. Otherwise, we’d post on other forums.

I’ve posted on many other college forums! If you treat their fans with respect they will reciprocate . If you treat others like dirt, surely you will have dirt thrown back at you!

I didn’t start this thread and I didn’t contribute to it until I saw you used my name in vain once more. I thought I made it clear I have one name and I don’t appreciate my name being treated with undue harassment! My name is not Wole! Is it Dwuwayne?

As for that big beautiful guy BBG, he doesn’t realize how Georgians he is when he’s bullying others! He gets so flush when people name calling him.

As for chi chi, he doesn’t care as long as you place your bets on time!

And do dew Pooh daddy? Enough said! Wasn’t he supposed to to be the forum’s moderator?

At NASA , differing opinions were encouraged. This sure isn’t NASA. No rockets crashed on my watch.

Nobody is reading that novel.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Wow, way to recycle my words and I’m honored you took a two-year deep dive just to dig that up. Funny thing is, if you actually read it properly, the worst I said was that I don’t get how people can defend him—which, given the facts, still holds up.

IIRC - last time we had this discussion, you ended up rage quitting after having a mini-meltdown. Maybe get out of your bubble once in a while—it might do you some good.

(I think the score is 14-0 right? You ready for a 15th? )

Wrong. You wanted Painter gone:

“I still do not understand why people still defend Painter. I think it really is time we move on and try to find someone else”

😂

 

[northside100]

You wanted Painter fired 2 years ago:

Post in thread 'CMP/Purdue Choke Program of The Decade...'

https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/cmp-purdue-choke-program-of-the-decade.241014/post-3691657

You back for another L ???

Oof. The internet is forever.

 

[northside100]

I mean if you weren’t on a slippery slope, you’d cite where I said that he should be fired. Feel free to post it doofy.

What is the point of lying about it? Unless that’s not actually your post, you said ‘I think it really is time we move on and try to find someone else.’

How is that not you wanting him fired? I don’t know what else ‘move on’ could possibly mean.

 

[clankhan]

Wrong. You wanted Painter gone:

“I still do not understand why people still defend Painter. I think it really is time we move on and try to find someone else”

😂

Ah, I see we’re using the 'spectrum' of misinterpretation again to stretch for an argument. Classic move when the facts don’t fit, huh?

Life is tough but it’s tougher when you’re on the spectrum like Pally here is.

15-0

 

[clankhan]

Oof. The internet is forever

Yeah, just like your ability to mid and overanalyze everything. Looks like both will be around for a long time.

 

[clankhan]

What is the point of lying about it? Unless that’s not actually your post, you said ‘I think it really is time we move on and try to find someone else.’

How is that not you wanting him fired? I don’t know what else ‘move on’ could possibly mean.

Must be nice to live in a world where every suggestion is a fireable offense. I guess subtlety is a bit beyond you, huh

 

[pubill]

His recent tournament record , up to that point. If you disagree and have a different version of events; feel free to post it.

He has been to 6 Sweet 16's in 8 years and went to title game last year, anyone who suggests Matt be fired is certainly an idiot.

 

[clankhan]

He has been to 6 Sweet 16's in 8 years and went to title game last year, anyone who suggests Matt be fired is certainly an idiot.

Agreed -

For reference: The post they were referring to was made a couple years ago

Pally and his alt accounts are grasping at straws because they have no argument.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I agree with your analysis but Didn’t you first dig up the post from years ago and accused me of being a troll and wanting Painter fired? That’s why I responded the way I did.

I’m going to be honest: I don’t post much on here and read regularly.

Was I unhappy when we had several straight years of losing to double digit seeds? Yes

Has that trend changed recently? Yes

Do I want Painter fired? No

We’re allowed to disagree and have opinions. At the end of the day, we’re all on the same side

No it wasn’t me lol. I just saw your handle for the first time this weekend

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Agreed -

For reference: The post they were referring to was made a couple years ago

Pally and his alt accounts are grasping at straws because they have no argument.

North and me aren’t his alt accounts.

But at the time when you “allegedly suggested” we fire painter, painter had:

Been to 4 S16s in 6 years, and 6 overall
1 E8 that was 2.1 seconds away from a F4
Won 2 BTT overall (meh don’t care about that really haha)
Won 3 B1G reg season titles in 6 years, 4 overall
Been to the tourney 8 straight years, 14 times overall

And you wanted him gone cuz of the loss to FDU, right?

We probably are a bubble team this year or maybe looking at NIT had we fired him and middle of pack in conference. Unless we got super lucky and struck gold. And if we did strike gold, that guy would have left in a few years for more money somewhere else.

How quickly did you actually think the program would be turned around if he was fired? Genuinely asking.

 

[northside100]

Must be nice to live in a world where every suggestion is a fireable offense. I guess subtlety is a bit beyond you, huh

What is subtle about you saying that it was time to move on from Painter?

I'm not trying to shame or ostracize you, I just don't understand why you feel the need to lie about the fact that you clearly stated that Painter should be let go. Maybe you didn't actually feel that way and it was just an emotional reaction, which is fine, but the truth is that you said it.

I admit I'm wrong on here all the time. Not sure why you feel the need to dig in.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I guess subtlety is a bit beyond you, huh

 

[clankhan]

He has been to 6 Sweet 16's in 8 years and went to title game last year, anyone who suggests Matt be fired is certainly an idiot.

As mentioned - The post was made after we lost to a #16 seed after losing to several double digit seeds.

 

[clankhan]

Oh pally …. You should learn how to count.

 

[clankhan]

What is subtle about you saying that it was time to move on from Painter?

I'm not trying to shame or ostracize you, I just don't understand why you feel the need to lie about the fact that you clearly stated that Painter should be let go. Maybe you didn't actually feel that way and it was just an emotional reaction, which is fine, but the truth is that you said it.

I admit I'm wrong on here all the time. Not sure why you feel the need to dig in.

Well, when I said we should move on (not fire, by the way, there's a difference), I meant we should look for better options — especially after getting knocked out by multiple double-digit seeds in a row.

I already admit I was wrong, but you guys keep attacking

 

[clankhan]

North and me aren’t his alt accounts.

But at the time when you “allegedly suggested” we fire painter, painter had:

Been to 4 S16s in 6 years, and 6 overall
1 E8 that was 2.1 seconds away from a F4
Won 2 BTT overall (meh don’t care about that really haha)
Won 3 B1G reg season titles in 6 years, 4 overall
Been to the tourney 8 straight years, 14 times overall

And you wanted him gone cuz of the loss to FDU, right?

We probably are a bubble team this year or maybe looking at NIT had we fired him and middle of pack in conference. Unless we got super lucky and struck gold. And if we did strike gold, that guy would have left in a few years for more money somewhere else.

How quickly did you actually think the program would be turned around if he was fired? Genuinely asking.

I’m going to copy and paste exactly what was written, since you are selectively including and excluding what was said:

2023: Lost to #16 seed
2022: Lost to #15 seed
2021: Lost to #13 seed
2019: Choked away a trip to the Final Four by substituting in 6'6" walk-on Grady Eifert to grab a rebound vs 6'9" Aaron Wheeler or 6'10" Trevion

Hindsight is always 20/20, and I’ve already acknowledged I was too quick to jump to that conclusion at the time. But honestly, I can’t think of many true fans who’d be thrilled with several straight early exits to double-digit seeds.

Were YOU Happy with these results in 2023?

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I’m going to copy and paste exactly what was written, since you are selectively including and excluding what was said:

2023: Lost to #16 seed
2022: Lost to #15 seed
2021: Lost to #13 seed
2019: Choked away a trip to the Final Four by substituting in 6'6" walk-on Grady Eifert to grab a rebound vs 6'9" Aaron Wheeler or 6'10" Trevion

Hindsight is always 20/20, and I’ve already acknowledged I was too quick to jump to that conclusion at the time. But honestly, I can’t think of many true fans who’d be thrilled with several straight early exits to double-digit seeds.

Were YOU Happy with these results in 2023?

15 seed was in S16. That 15 seed beat a 2 and 7 seed. So while it sucked, it wasn’t painters fault that our top 5 lotto pick decided to play his worst game as a boiler and that the refs decided to not call fouls all of a sudden, as they previously did vs UT when we shot - ridiculous amount of FTs.

2021 was a weird year and we were over seeded with a young team. But still shouldn’t have lost.

2023, yeah in explicable but we also had TONS of open shots that we missed.

E8 if Ryan cline hits both free throws, we go to the F4. Instead, we foul up 3 and the crazy low probability actually happens of them tying it up.

Tell me though, would you have been ok to fire painter and then barely make the tourney for the next 5 years and be bottom of the barrel in the B1G? Would that have been your solution?

 

[clankhan]

15 seed was in S16. That 15 seed beat a 2 and 7 seed. So while it sucked, it wasn’t painters fault that our top 5 lotto pick decided to play his worst game as a boiler and that the refs decided to not call fouls all of a sudden, as they previously did vs UT when we shot - ridiculous amount of FTs.

2021 was a weird year and we were over seeded with a young team. But still shouldn’t have lost.

2023, yeah in explicable but we also had TONS of open shots that we missed.

E8 if Ryan cline hits both free throws, we go to the F4. Instead, we foul up 3 and the crazy low probability actually happens of them tying it up.

Tell me though, would you have been ok to fire painter and then barely make the tourney for the next 5 years and be bottom of the barrel in the B1G? Would that have been your solution?

Agreed - in hindsight that comment didn’t age very well.

Regarding your question: We wouldn’t know for certain - saying otherwise would be pure speculation since we had no idea who that replacement would’ve been. (Could’ve easily been for worse or for better)

I never thought our Boilers would reach the Final 4 in our lifetimes. That changed last year.