Who were Painter's top undiscovered gems?

[PU52Chevy]

You all are missing the obvious one........Taylor!

He will prove it this year and beyond........you watch and see!

I will say Kramer is his best so far........

Wheeler and Haarms have a chance to be....

 

[BoilerBiker]

You all are missing the obvious one........Taylor!

He will prove it this year and beyond........you watch and see!

I will say Kramer is his best so far........

Wheeler and Haarms have a chance to be....

legen.....dary

 

[PU52Chevy]

legen.....dary

"The Big Easy"......loved that guy.....man he pushed JJ in practice everyday and beat the shit out of him and made him better.

 

[lbodel]

I agree with most of your post except, in my opinion, this year's squad did not have the tools to be a Final Four team and the weakness was with the lack of athleticism at the guard spot. We were a team with a high floor but a Sweet Sixteen ceiling. I agree that while very nice to have, I do not think Purdue needs NBA guards to make the F4. By some miracle getting by a Kansas, we would have lost to Oregon. We need quicker guards who are borderline NBA guys. Both Gonzaga and SC had superior quickness at the guard spot to Purdue. While North Carolina may not have a bonafide NBA guard, Berry is a great college guard whose NBA ceiling is limited due to his size.

I'd like to add some thoughts to the Kansas / Oregon content. To me, it wasn't just an off night for Kansas and they were super ON against us. It comes down to defensive pressure and disrupting Kansas' offense. We didn't disrupt anything against Kansas and Oregon's guards did.

This is all due to a of lack of quickness at guard spot and no rim protection. We could have played Kansas 10 times are we would have lost 9. Kansas' offense was *initiated* with guard dribble penetration. Their dribble penetration led to defensive rotations. Kansas would get an opportunity mid-range or at the hoop or kickouts for wide open, in-rhythm jump shots (and Kansas is a good shooting team).

The Oregon/Kansas game was quite different from our game, but it wasn't a coincidence or just an off night for Kansas. Oregon's guards (Brooks, Dorsey, Ennis) were very athletic and Kansas did not get any space or advantage from dribble penetration. Also, Oregon pressured well past the 3 point line, so there were almost no open, in-rhythm shots from the perimeter. Even in the off chance that they had an open look, they were so pressured throughout the game, their timing was off, thus missing open looks. If by chance, Kansas got Oregon in a defensive rotation, Bell down low cleaned it up at the rim.

In our game against Kansas, their guards roamed free whenever and where ever they wanted. The ball movement led to in-rhythm shots or opportunities at the rim. They, as a team, were entirely too comfortable running their offense and that is why they put up the numbers they did. It wasn't a fluke.

The point was that there are no RULES to making a Final Four. There have been SEVERAL Final Four teams that I would take this year's Purdue team over in terms of overall strength.

The best teams often don't make the Final Four. Whether you want to think Kansas played well or not, Kansas was NOT a good match-up for us. We didn't shoot 50% from 3 for Kansas, that's still being "on" whether it's a good matchup or not. And that's part of the tournament - if you run into a bad matchup, particularly when they are playing well, you can be great - but it doesn't matter.

 

[lbodel]

Purdue, nationally considered a really good basketball program, not a blue blood program (there are only 4-5 of those), but a really good, solid program, winning the most B10 conference championships, hasn't been to the FF in 38 years!
As someone mentioned earlier, 51 other programs have been there in that time including a vast majority of the B10.
Some people will say "oh, that's just bad luck, injuries to key players, bad draw," etc.
Others might find a common denominator over that time frame.
I'll continue to argue it's the lack of NBA guard talent that's been the problem.

I mean is the difference between 1 and 0 that massive? If a team made a Final Four in 1985 but hasn't since - does that really put them on a pedestal compared to us to you? I couldn't even tell you who made the Final Four last year.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Not a big deal. Lots of non-athletes think engineering is a great major until they spend a semester or two in the school of engineering.

Which makes Matt Kiefer such an interesting athlete. Kid was a double engineering major during his time, wasn't he?

 

[klmLB]

The point was that there are no RULES to making a Final Four. There have been SEVERAL Final Four teams that I would take this year's Purdue team over in terms of overall strength.

The best teams often don't make the Final Four. Whether you want to think Kansas played well or not, Kansas was NOT a good match-up for us. We didn't shoot 50% from 3 for Kansas, that's still being "on" whether it's a good matchup or not. And that's part of the tournament - if you run into a bad matchup, particularly when they are playing well, you can be great - but it doesn't matter.

Are you refuting something from my post? It's not clear to me the linage of my reply and this post. To me, this is a more of an addendum to your original post than a reply to mine. Yes, Kansas was a bad matchup. That's obvious.

Again, my post was in direct response to your original post - specifically that the Kansas performance against us vs the Kansas performance against Oregon was not just a case of being on or an off night for Kansas. It was the lack of athleticism at the guard spot from a defensive standpoint and lack of rim protection. You may say there are no 'RULES', but I would argue that of all the Final Four teams in the last 30 years, I can't think of many that had such a lack of athleticism collectively at the guard spot and if there are, it's probably less than 2% of FF teams.

 

[BoilerMaker P]

Not sure about how undiscovered he was, but CMP was in pretty early on Derek Willis even getting the verbal commitment from him. He turned out to be a pretty solid player for Kentucky. Might have been a four year starter at Purdue, but I think things worked out okay for both parties really.

 

[BoilerStation]

Which makes Matt Kiefer such an interesting athlete. Kid was a double engineering major during his time, wasn't he?

I don't think he was a double major. I was a freshmen the same time that he was and I was in Management at Purdue and had lots of classes with him my first 2 years before I switched. Might have been Industrial Management that he was in.

 

[atmafola]

I agree with most of your post except, in my opinion, this year's squad did not have the tools to be a Final Four team and the weakness was with the lack of athleticism at the guard spot. We were a team with a high floor but a Sweet Sixteen ceiling. I agree that while very nice to have, I do not think Purdue needs NBA guards to make the F4. By some miracle getting by a Kansas, we would have lost to Oregon. We need quicker guards who are borderline NBA guys. Both Gonzaga and SC had superior quickness at the guard spot to Purdue. While North Carolina may not have a bonafide NBA guard, Berry is a great college guard whose NBA ceiling is limited due to his size.

I'd like to add some thoughts to the Kansas / Oregon content. To me, it wasn't just an off night for Kansas and they were super ON against us. It comes down to defensive pressure and disrupting Kansas' offense. We didn't disrupt anything against Kansas and Oregon's guards did.

This is all due to a of lack of quickness at guard spot and no rim protection. We could have played Kansas 10 times are we would have lost 9. Kansas' offense was *initiated* with guard dribble penetration. Their dribble penetration led to defensive rotations. Kansas would get an opportunity mid-range or at the hoop or kickouts for wide open, in-rhythm jump shots (and Kansas is a good shooting team).

The Oregon/Kansas game was quite different from our game, but it wasn't a coincidence or just an off night for Kansas. Oregon's guards (Brooks, Dorsey, Ennis) were very athletic and Kansas did not get any space or advantage from dribble penetration. Also, Oregon pressured well past the 3 point line, so there were almost no open, in-rhythm shots from the perimeter. Even in the off chance that they had an open look, they were so pressured throughout the game, their timing was off, thus missing open looks. If by chance, Kansas got Oregon in a defensive rotation, Bell down low cleaned it up at the rim.

In our game against Kansas, their guards roamed free whenever and where ever they wanted. The ball movement led to in-rhythm shots or opportunities at the rim. They, as a team, were entirely too comfortable running their offense and that is why they put up the numbers they did. It wasn't a fluke.

it was no fluke at all. people talked about our turnovers when passing. That's because their guards were quick enough to guard their men and still jump passing lanes. Against slower teams, those passes make it to their destination. Against quick long quick guards, they get picked up and start fastbreak the other way

 

[TC4THREE]

Hayward is on record saying if Purdue didn't have two guys(Hummel and Martin) that he would have committed to Purdue. Bc both were the same type of player he was. Martin cost us big time taking and wasting a scholarship. We would have gotten Teague with his scholarship the. The next year Hayward would have came to join Hummel.

This is so depressing............

 

[BoilerGal74]

Well I specifically remember on cbs them saying Painter told him there wasn't time for both engineering and basketball at Purdue.

For some reason I thought Isaac was an engineering student?? Did I dream that? Very possible these days....

 

[BoilerBiker]

I don't think he was a double major. I was a freshmen the same time that he was and I was in Management at Purdue and had lots of classes with him my first 2 years before I switched. Might have been Industrial Management that he was in.

he was chem E