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When was the last time season ticket sales were this low?

I dropped my JPC membership and my season tickets. Could not stand to see Morgan spending all of the money on swimming, softball, and baseball - sports with very little ROI - while allowing football to collapse.

What really scares me about football is the new staff's inability to recruit. I did not think it could get worse than Hope's gang - would you be impressed if Danny Hope walked into your living room to recruit your son? But Hazell and Co. have not been able to bring in strong Indiana kids or strong kids in general. I do think he has brought in nicer kids.

I think we will know a lot more after the Marshall game. My guess is that it is a very competitive game, given we seem to be a middle of the road MAC program right now.
 
I dropped my JPC membership and my season tickets. Could not stand to see Morgan spending all of the money on swimming, softball, and baseball - sports with very little ROI - while allowing football to collapse.

What really scares me about football is the new staff's inability to recruit. I did not think it could get worse than Hope's gang - would you be impressed if Danny Hope walked into your living room to recruit your son? But Hazell and Co. have not been able to bring in strong Indiana kids or strong kids in general. I do think he has brought in nicer kids.

I think we will know a lot more after the Marshall game. My guess is that it is a very competitive game, given we seem to be a middle of the road MAC program right now.

Actually I have friend whose son was recruited by DH1 to play football at Purdue, and my friend, who is a doctor, says he was very impressed with DH1 throughout the recruiting process.
 
Cordova was the first president to pull several million dollars a year out of the AD and use it on general projects. If she hadn't sucked so bad as a fundraiser, she wouldn't have had to do that.

1. It wasn't several million dollars a year. When you start exaggerating, that's when you lose credibility.

2. She didn't "suck so bad" as a fundraiser considering how much money Purdue did bring in while she was President. Keep in mind she was President during a time that higher education had a VERY difficult time. Purdue actually was able to continue improving while many public universities bled and really struggled.

I'm hardly saying she was the greatest president Purdue has ever had - hardly. But the vitriol people have because she's a liberal is amazing to me. If it was a conservative male, he wouldn't endure half this crap. Under Jischke, Purdue had trouble "keeping up" particularly with assistant coaches - and lord knows Beering hardly tried.
 
No, I didn't say it was all her fault. I blame the BOT and MB too.

Under Jischke, the Ath. Dept. paid $0.6M / yr tax (overhead allocation) back to the U. He may not have demanded excellence from AD, but Jischke understood good football and basketball mean $$$ for academics from alums.

In Cordova's defense, it became very hard to raise money with the financial crisis, shortly after she became President, and at the same time, the state (under you know who) cut PU's support in some years and flat lined it in others. So she responded by essentially deciding she could drain all the newly found BTN $$$ out of the Ath. Dept. with no long-term consequences to the competitiveness of the revenue sports. Very short-term thinking on her part but predictable since the only real interest she had in Purdue is what the job could do for her resume. I do blame the BOT for letting her do it, and MB for not pitching a fit over it publicly, but apparently MB valued his job too much to do what was right by the Ath. Dept. and JPC.

Painter is the one who really put the issue front and center when it took national media attention and an emergency meeting of the BOT just to make his salary (and his assistants') competitive with other B1G coaches -- and keep him from being hired away by a bottom-feeder program out of the B12. Meanwhile, we had the lowest paid football coaching staff in the B1G, if not all in the power 5, but who did "we" (smart PU alums an fans) blame? Oh, it was all Danny Hope's fault!!! It must have been hard for Frances to keep a straight face when she attended football games in those years, watching the "cow" she was milking dry wither away in front of her, while our "fans" booed the team and DH1.

I agree with most of what you point out - and appreciate realizing that the economic situation Purdue faced during her tenure was definitely not something most people would ever like to experience handling.

However, I still think you put more weight on how big the President's role has on having successful football and basketball. I think there's a lot of having it both ways on this issue with Cordova. People say she didn't care about sports, but then somehow she's controlling the athletic department?

Look at the athletic director.

Burke took pride in slowly bumping up Tiller's salary - basically keeping it as minimum as can be. Tiller's biggest complaint? Not having proper resources for the coaching staff. That was under a different president, same athletic director.

Hope's hire was not Cordova's idea (and it wasn't Tiller's). It was flipping Morgan Burke's idea. MB oversees the athletic department. Cordova was not telling him how much money he can spend on everything. Remember the example about rental cars back in the Painter saga? The president of a university is not going to the athletic director and saying hey, you should put rental car restrictions on your head coaches to save a few dollars.

If Burke really only had the money for X amount and he wanted to hire X person that costs a bit more - the resources are there to find, within the athletic department or by looking at donors. How do you think Purdue magically found the money for Painter, Hazell's position, etc.? Burke made NO effort and thought he could hire on the cheap - he had been doing it for years. This wasn't Cordova's idea.

And quite frankly, look what DID happen under Cordova. Purdue Football had for years complained about not having the head coaching salary and resources necessary to succeed. Cordova was President when some big steps were made to alleviate that. The same thing with men's basketball. Purdue Basketball had for decades been under-investing - when did that change? While Cordova was President. I wouldn't sit there and brag about her role - because I simply don't believe she plays a huge role in approving or disapproving these things. As long as Burke, who is in charge of the AD budget, can show how things can work financially for these things to happen - she's going to approve. Burke's hand was simply forced both times.

But that's the whole point - this "on the cheap" mindset is not one of A president. It's the mindset of our athletic director. There's been 4 Presidents now where the Presidents have been very different, but the athletic director has stayed the same. One thing is changing, one is not. Do the math.
 
How many season tickets have been sold so far? I don't know if she could possibly face the political bias faced by Mitch Daniels. Mitch is probably the greatest fundraising President Purdue has ever had. Mitch has also brought us the most front page/national TV exposure we've ever had.

He has done wonders for keeping tuition in check and same for the cost of books. He is the only President at Purdue that I remember supporting athletics like he does. He goes and talks with the students in their dorms, sits with them during football games, speaks to the team, and leads the team onto the field while driving his Harley Davidson on national TV, and posts selfies taken by students on Twitter.

Mitch is effective and popular for all he has done for Purdue. To mention Cordova in the same breath as Mitch would be such an insult to Mitch. By the way, this should not be considered a politically biased post, as I am a registered Democrat in Florida.
 
1. It wasn't several million dollars a year. When you start exaggerating, that's when you lose credibility.

Credibility?! You're funny! You're the one with no credibility!

It was, IN FACT, several million per year more that Cordova vacuumed out of the Ath Dept. The AD was paying PU $0.6M / yr under Jischke and it was over $4M per year by the time Frances got done. Daniels and the BOT just agreed to reduce it $2M, but our AD is still paying more back to PU than most other B1G ADs are paying in tax back to their universities.

Don't accuse someone of exaggerating when you don't have your facts straight. It causes one to lose credibility, assuming one has any to begin with.
 
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Credibility?! You're funny! You're the one with no credibility!

It was, IN FACT, several million per year more that Cordova vacuumed out of the Ath Dept. The AD was paying PU $0.6M / yr under Jischke and it was over $4M per year by the time Frances got done. Daniels and the BOT just agreed to reduce it $2M, but it's still more than what B1G ADs pay in tax back to their universities.

Don't accuse someone of exaggerating when you don't have your facts straight. It causes one to lose credibility, assuming one has any to begin with.
And that is how she did indeed control the athletic department, by conceding a 10 yard head start to the rest of the Big Ten football programs, who plowed their windfall back into their money makers. And then yes, Morgan compounded matters with bad hires and idiotic investments.
 
How many season tickets have been sold so far? I don't know if she could possibly face the political bias faced by Mitch Daniels. Mitch is probably the greatest fundraising President Purdue has ever had. Mitch has also brought us the most front page/national TV exposure we've ever had.

He has done wonders for keeping tuition in check and same for the cost of books. He is the only President at Purdue that I remember supporting athletics like he does. He goes and talks with the students in their dorms, sits with them during football games, speaks to the team, and leads the team onto the field while driving his Harley Davidson on national TV, and posts selfies taken by students on Twitter.

Mitch is effective and popular for all he has done for Purdue. To mention Cordova in the same breath as Mitch would be such an insult to Mitch. By the way, this should not be considered a politically biased post, as I am a registered Democrat in Florida.

Ok, first off I never criticized Daniels on anything. But I think you're exaggerating a bit. The most front page/national TV exposure we've ever had? Having some articles written in newspapers about freezing tuition pales in comparison to the attention Purdue got in the 2000 season. I mean, the "compliment guys" got a series on Good Morning America and a number of newspapers. So yes, has Purdue gotten attention? Of course. But let's not act like we haven't had it before - on numerous occassions.

Being personable is important - it's something that some people have, some people don't. As a former politicians, it's not exactly surprising that he'd be personable. The guy showed up at Purdue as a "Purdue fan" then showed up a couple weeks later at IU as an "IU fan" while governor....the guy knows how to play a crowd. However, just because he's on a motorcycle at a sporting event doesn't mean he's supporting athletics much differently - where it actually matters in terms of improving programs. Great, he's taking selfies with people at football games - but we're still having near record low attendance. So it's great for his own PR, not sure it's making much difference where it matters though.
 
Credibility?! You're funny! You're the one with no credibility!

It was, IN FACT, several million per year more that Cordova vacuumed out of the Ath Dept. The AD was paying PU $0.6M / yr under Jischke and it was over $4M per year by the time Frances got done. Daniels and the BOT just agreed to reduce it $2M, but our AD is still paying more back to PU than most other B1G ADs are paying in tax back to their universities.

Don't accuse someone of exaggerating when you don't have your facts straight. It causes one to lose credibility, assuming one has any to begin with.

I'm not going to get into an argument about semantics - but several isn't 3 or 4. That's a few.

First off, Burke was the one that came up with a percentage because Purdue was paying for a lot of services the athletic department used - and the percentage was what he said was "medium" in the Big Ten Conference. So while the BTN revenue skyrocketed, that amount increased.

However, I think it's laughable that she was this evil woman for taking that out - but when Mitch scales it back to only $2 million he's a hero! That's still over double what we were doing with Jischke, right? Also, scaling it back to $2 million isn't exactly "giving" Purdue Athletics $2 million to play with on whatever it wants. It's basically already spent because the Big Ten is increasing scholarship money to athletes and it is also going to make up the lost revenue because of the lower student tickets.

You said it yourself - Cordova was president at an AWFUL time financially. A lot of things that were planned were screwed because of the financial collapse and fundraising was not easy in that time. A lot of stuff Cordova accomplished as President isn't flashy - but it was stuff that truly made Purdue better academically and in the long run. It certainly was not sexy stuff - like strengthening academic requirements for applicants. Purdue came out from the financial collapse a lot better than most other universities - and some not so easy things had to be done to get there and stay on track.

But the overall point is still this - the university was taking away that money and yet we STILL magically found the money to improve the investment in Purdue Basketball - and then a couple years later turned around and STILL magically found money to improve the investment in Purdue Football. And we did this all while revenue from football was steadily declining!

If Burke wanted to invest properly in basketball, nobody was stopping him. He just wanted to keep the status quo as long as he could. He practically admitted he did this when it came to Tiller's salary. If Burke wanted to invest properly in football, nobody was stopping him.

He never tried to change the status quo - his own status quo - until he was forced to, basically by being embarrassed publicly (particularly in the first situation with Painter).

Burke's done many great things, but he's always been cheap and has done little to push the envelope, ruffle feathers and try to really strengthen things. It's great for his own job security - like I said, a President at a major university isn't going to get involved heavily in athletics unless something terrible happens. But it doesn't matter if you work in public education, private business, etc. - you aren't going to do great things being that kind of leader, but you can certainly try to maintain a status quo.
 
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Ok, first off I never criticized Daniels on anything. But I think you're exaggerating a bit. The most front page/national TV exposure we've ever had? Having some articles written in newspapers about freezing tuition pales in comparison to the attention Purdue got in the 2000 season. I mean, the "compliment guys" got a series on Good Morning America and a number of newspapers. So yes, has Purdue gotten attention? Of course. But let's not act like we haven't had it before - on numerous occassions.

Being personable is important - it's something that some people have, some people don't. As a former politicians, it's not exactly surprising that he'd be personable. The guy showed up at Purdue as a "Purdue fan" then showed up a couple weeks later at IU as an "IU fan" while governor....the guy knows how to play a crowd. However, just because he's on a motorcycle at a sporting event doesn't mean he's supporting athletics much differently - where it actually matters in terms of improving programs. Great, he's taking selfies with people at football games - but we're still having near record low attendance. So it's great for his own PR, not sure it's making much difference where it matters though.
My Man Mitch! Give credit where credit is due. Boiler Mitch is a super President, and if you want to support the lady before Mitch, then knock yourself out. As for me.I'm for Boiler Mitch 100%!
 
1. It wasn't several million dollars a year. When you start exaggerating, that's when you lose credibility.

2. She didn't "suck so bad" as a fundraiser considering how much money Purdue did bring in while she was President. Keep in mind she was President during a time that higher education had a VERY difficult time. Purdue actually was able to continue improving while many public universities bled and really struggled.

I'm hardly saying she was the greatest president Purdue has ever had - hardly. But the vitriol people have because she's a liberal is amazing to me. If it was a conservative male, he wouldn't endure half this crap. Under Jischke, Purdue had trouble "keeping up" particularly with assistant coaches - and lord knows Beering hardly tried.
I stumbled upon this thread late but I would like to relate my experience as a long-time donor to Purdue. I have been a JPC member and FB season ticket holder for over 30 years. I'm no Michael Birck, but I am a lifetime President's Council member. I am invited back to campus 2-3 times per years and when Jischke was president, would usually have a short conversation with him 1-2 times per year. President Cordova and I never spoke and it seemed she sharply curtailed opportunities to mingle with alumni/donor groups. Jischke worked the state legislature and (my impression) Cordova addressed the legislature and just expected they would write her a big check. When that didn't happen, she went looking for another revenue source. Jischke was a fund-raising machine, his successor, not so much.
 
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The 4,500 students bought tickets because they were less than the cost of one text book. If they can pay $200 for a book they might never read, why not pay $100 for a ticket you might not use? The rest of the folks are probably attending to see the band, the golden girl, and the big drum. I'm assuming the band is still planning to come to the games this year.
The AD is putting in a sound (noise?) system that will make the AAMB superfluous.
 
I stumbled upon this thread late but I would like to relate my experience as a long-time donor to Purdue. I have been a JPC member and FB season ticket holder for over 30 years. I'm no Michael Birck, but I am a lifetime President's Council member. I am invited back to campus 2-3 times per years and when Jischke was president, would usually have a short conversation with him 1-2 times per year. President Cordova and I never spoke and it seemed she sharply curtailed opportunities to mingle with alumni/donor groups. Jischke worked the state legislature and (my impression) Cordova addressed the legislature and just expected they would write her a big check. When that didn't happen, she went looking for another revenue source. Jischke was a fund-raising machine, his successor, not so much.

But that's not entirely true. Yes, was Cordova a schmoozer? Absolutely not. But to sit there and say Jischke fundraised really well and Cordova didn't - well that's not really true.

First off, the economic situations both faced were pretty much on opposite spectrums. Going out and fundraising after the economic collapse that was the worst financial situation the US has been in since the Great Depression - not really enviable. You can't just pretend like that didn't happen. In her last year, Purdue achieved the 2nd highest fundraising year in history. Purdue raised $1.1 billion during her time as President ($220 million/year), which included 2-2.5 years that were just flat out bad for fundraising in general. During Purdue's "Campaign for Purdue" under Jischke, which was 7 years, Purdue raised $1.7 billion ($242 million/year).

During her tenure she also doubled research dollars for the university.

So all of this "I don't have an opinion..." or "This is just what I heard..." don't seem to be full of facts. I'm HARDLY out there as some "she was a hero" for the university. I think her 5 years was fine and it was a crappy time to be a President of a university and Purdue came out of that period better than what many other universities did. I just find the incessant trashing of her bizarre, particularly when it comes to this thread when we had the same problems before she arrived and we actually did improve some of the problems - but continue to have similar problems after she's long gone. To blame her for our "athletics situation" is a bit silly.
 
My Man Mitch! Give credit where credit is due. Boiler Mitch is a super President, and if you want to support the lady before Mitch, then knock yourself out. As for me.I'm for Boiler Mitch 100%!

Did you even read what I wrote? First off, there's nothing about "supporting the lady before Mitch". Secondly, while Daniels has done some good things as President, you're glazing over the issues that remain, particularly in athletics, because you think it's cool he rides a Harley on campus.
 
I'm not going to get into an argument about semantics - but several isn't 3 or 4. That's a few.

Haha, you are the one who disputed my use of the word "several" when defining the additional $3 million that Cordova stole from the AD, now you all of a sudden don't want to get into semantics.

By the way, the folks at Webster happen to disagree with you:

3. Consisting of a number more than two, but not very many; divers; sundry; as, several persons were present when the event took place.

So as long as Cordova increased the tax by at least $2,000,001, then I was correct.
 
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