What's the trouble with Basil?

[purdue4sure]

Wait...you have LSD grouped in with meth and heroin? The point is that initial drug use for most addicts starts with alcohol.

Considering that nearly 100 % of people in nations where alcohol is available have drunk it at a relatively young age, what correlation is being drawn here? Again, does the data show that most drug addicts move directly from alcohol to becoming addicts?

 

[purdue4sure]

My pro ppt agenda? I have no agenda.
The numbers are raw data. Take them any way you like. Colorado had a decrease like every other state until recently.

They are not the raw data. Did you even read the data for Colorado? What are you talking about with this "until recently" comment? The opiate overdose epidemic study goes back to 2002. Overdoses continued to increase after pot was legalized in 2012. No one but you is claiming that overdoses decreased in Colorado when pot was legalized.

You making false arguments about what is proved and disproved, and introduced it in a thread that had nothing to do with medical uses. This suggests an agenda, even though you deny it.

 

[purdue4sure]

Actually, the bottom line is that smoking/possessing weed is illegal. It doesn't matter what the research says, it only matters what the law says.
You can call people hypocritical all you want (yes, I fall into that category because I experimented plenty as a younger person), but the problem is, most people aren't high profile athletes getting a free $150,000 college education whose name is going to make the news if they get caught doing something illegal. There are probably hundreds of regular students busted on a monthly basis for drinking, smoking, etc, but since they don't play football or basketball, we never hear about it. But when an athlete does it, it not only embarrasses himself and family, but also his coach, team and school.
So, whether pot, or crack or heroin or anything is helpful, harmful or totally benign, it doesn't matter if it's illegal.

OK this is weird, but maybe for the 2nd time in the history of the world, bonefish wrote something that is 100 % factual and something that I can agree with.

 

[Heller]

Considering that nearly 100 % of people in nations where alcohol is available have drunk it at a relatively young age, what correlation is being drawn here? Again, does the data show that most drug addicts move directly from alcohol to becoming addicts?

First, don't duck the question of where does lsd fit in your thoughts on addiction? Marijuana is not addictive. Neither is cocaine for that matter. Alcohol is addictive. Now that doesn't mean any of those drugs won't alter you but there is no addiction center to deal with dropping acid or smoking marijuana. People who have addictive tendencies do so because that's who they are.

Specifically, no, most people who drink alcohol never become addicts.

 

[purdue4sure]

First, don't duck the question of where does lsd fit in your thoughts on addiction? Marijuana is not addictive. Neither is cocaine for that matter. Alcohol is addictive. Now that doesn't mean any of those drugs won't alter you but there is no addiction center to deal with dropping acid or smoking marijuana. People who have addictive tendencies do so because that's who they are.

Specifically, no, most people who drink alcohol never become addicts.

Wait. You twice dodge my follow-up question about your claim that "initial drug use for most addicts starts with alcohol." But you expect me to answer a dodging question about LSD?

OK. You and I know that you were trying to avoid the obvious transition between alcohol and "hard" drugs, so there is no reason for you to answer. But I'll answer your question that has nothing to do with the substance of this discussion. I don't care whether LSD or meth or crack or heroin or pot or alcohol are addictive. But to claim that ANY of those does not have a harmful effect, and therefore it's OK for recreational use by our youth, is irresponsible.

 

[Heller]

Wait. You twice dodge my follow-up question about your claim that "initial drug use for most addicts starts with alcohol." But you expect me to answer a dodging question about LSD?

OK. You and I know that you were trying to avoid the obvious transition between alcohol and "hard" drugs, so there is no reason for you to answer. But I'll answer your question that has nothing to do with the substance of this discussion. I don't care whether LSD or meth or crack or heroin or pot or alcohol are addictive. But to claim that ANY of those does not have a harmful effect, and therefore it's OK for recreational use by our youth, is irresponsible.

Where exactly did I say recreational use by young people is okay? If you go back and read my responses I never did. However I do think the idea that an adult can't buy a bag of marijuana but can buy a truckload of alcohol is ridiculous.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Since this thread started, I've started drinking 6-8 shots every night. I've also started experimenting with evey kind of drug imagineable. I'm really worried about what it's doing to me. But I'm also suddenly paranoid that someone is watching me through my computer and the television. Worse yet I have zits popping up everywhere and I'm biting my nails down to the cuticle.

I only have the posters here to blame.