What about Vince?

[Wolegib]

I didn't quote the part about who would guard Bridges. I quoted the part where you said he isn't a 3 because I was the person in a previous post who said Bridges coming back didn't have any impact on JJJ because they play different positions.

Who will guard Bridges - probably Vince since he has the most size to work with. After that - who knows. Wheeler would also have the size but would get backed down in the post by Bridges. Eastern could potentially do it as well.

I'm going to guess we use a committee approach.

I never said Bridges wasn't a 3. I said JJJ could be a 3, 4 or 5, and was probably upset that Bridges decided to return. and if he had known, probably would have signed elsewhere.

So if Edwards guards bridges, who guards JJJ ? Ewing and Haarms ? that could be fun.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

I never said Bridges wasn't a 3. I said JJJ could be a 3, 4 or 5, and was probably upset that Bridges decided to return. and if he had known, probably would have signed elsewhere.

So if Edwards guards bridges, who guards JJJ ? Ewing and Haarms ? that could be fun.

Perhaps I misinterpreted your comments.

I guess you have to have Ewing play that role and guard him. I do think if Eastern develops and is playing he can shoulder some of the load on Bridges and Vince can take JJJ.

 

[Wolegib]

Many people were sad the day JJJ chose MSU and felt Purdue was his logical second choice! Part of JJJ's value was that he was skilled enough to play multiple positions. When MSU signed PF Tillman shortly thereafter a logical assumption was that JJJ WAS NOT signed to play PF. When JJJ signed his LOI, the media experts predicted Bridges would be leaving and JJJ could slide into the hole he left! I believe we can agree that was a logical assumption.

Where we differ is I took that assumption one step farther and speculated JJJ would not have signed with MSU if he knew Bridges was going to stay. I'm not saying he would have signed with Purdue. I just believe he would have signed elsewhere. The two guys I feel sorry for are Bowen and Tillman! Bowen isn't going to MSU if Bridges is there. And with Bridges staying and JJJ sliding over to PF, Tillman kind of gets lost in the shuffle! He could have started at Purdue, but now he's kind of an afterthought

 

[StickPurdue]

Many people were sad the day JJJ chose MSU and felt Purdue was his logical second choice! Part of JJJ's value was that he was skilled enough to play multiple positions. When MSU signed PF Tillman shortly thereafter a logical assumption was that JJJ WAS NOT signed to play PF. When JJJ signed his LOI, the media experts predicted Bridges would be leaving and JJJ could slide into the hole he left! I believe we can agree that was a logical assumption.

Where we differ is I took that assumption one step farther and speculated JJJ would not have signed with MSU if he knew Bridges was going to stay. I'm not saying he would have signed with Purdue. I just believe he would have signed elsewhere. The two guys I feel sorry for are Bowen and Tillman! Bowen isn't going to MSU if Bridges is there. And with Bridges staying and JJJ sliding over to PF, Tillman kind of gets lost in the shuffle! He could have started at Purdue, but now he's kind of an afterthought

Bowens is better off going elsewhere. He is now listed as a favorite to go to DePaul and follow the Lalu coach (like Tyger). If that pans out, that was a very good hire. Bowens isn't a one and done type player. Arizona would be a good fit, but I don't know if they have an open spot currently. He could go to MSU and backup Bridges, but I am not sure he would want that. I was watching Eastern's highlights and Bowen stood out immediately. He has a list of offers, but because he waited, he may get caught holding the bag. Maybe IU swoops in and lands him. They have a lot of time opening up. A lot of Purdue folks wanted him here, but Purdue was never in contention. Maybe with Lutz he gets an offer? I don't know, but the word has been that Eastern did not want to play with him. I would like the signing. I think at the wing he would get 25+ a game. He could even play some 4 if need be. The problem would be it would cut into Eastern's minutes, and he is a good I would want to keep happy. Realistically, I think there is less than a 1% chance we would get Bowen and Purdue has not offered or done anything to show interest to this point.

Side note, any time MSU does something that causes them to miss on a top recruit, it makes me oh so very happy. If MSU truly is his dream school, he will be there. DePaul would be an interesting choice. If he sticks around for 3-4 years, they will be pretty good wth him and Tyger. Eventually, those Lalu ties won't be as prominent, but winning cures all. If he shoes he can win at DePaul with elite talent, elite talent will follow until he gets the next gig.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I never said Bridges wasn't a 3. I said JJJ could be a 3, 4 or 5, and was probably upset that Bridges decided to return. and if he had known, probably would have signed elsewhere.

So if Edwards guards bridges, who guards JJJ ? Ewing and Haarms ? that could be fun.

If MSU is winning...I'm guessing JJJ won't be too upset.

 

[nagemj02]

Nage actually wants Painter to bring in grad transfer Mark Alstork from Wright State to take minutes from Dakota......this was from another thread. His statements here are just an extension of his disdain for Dakota. You give him too much credit.

I have no disdain for Mathias. I simply believe that he's not so good of a player that he should be averaging 31.7 MPG (I know you disagree but not everyone agrees on everything: that's life) and I also believe that Alstork could have brought more offensive punch to that position than DM (which, IMO, is part of what Purdue needs if they're ever going to get any further than the Sweet 16 under Painter).

Wolegib, Alstork narrowed his schools but he hasn't picked one yet.

 

[Heiner]

Any word on Vince?

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Any word on Vince?

Considering he is picked as the #35 pick in the 2018 draft by Draft Express...I would think he could come back. If he can some how translate his NCAA Tourney play to the entirety of a season....he could slide in to the late first round IMO. They also place Haas at #47 as well. If they can both step through the shadow that was over them at time with Biggie here and solidify themselves more (Vince to be a more assertive scorer and better off the dribble if he gets rid of that damn slow jab step/shot fake and Haas to play an average of 22-24 minutes per game)...no reason to think they both couldn't help themselves immensely in the 2018 draft.

Article: DraftExpress.com on Vince Edwards

A bit on Vince that I and numerous other posters have mentioned about his weaknesses while at Purdue:

He has displayed some potential as a slasher from the wing, but this area of his skill-set is still a work in progress. He reads the defense well on drives and recognizes the open areas to find the best possible shot for his teammates or for himself, whether that means passing out early, a pull-up jump shot or navigating all the way to the rim. He's becoming more adept at getting to his spots off the dribble for a mid-range pull-up and he converted 43.6% of his 39 jump shots off the dribble according to Synergy Sports Technology, despite not possessing the most fluid looking jumper. One area that he will need to improve upon as he develops his attacking game is his ability to finish around the rim in traffic. He lacks a quick first step or creative ball-handling skills to create separation from his man easily, and doesn't have a ton of explosiveness off the move, which can lead to some tough finishes in the paint. He converted just 48.5% of his half-court attempts inside the paint last season according to Synergy Sports Technology, a poor rate for his physical profile. He was able to get to the line 3.7 times per 40 by using his strong frame to absorb contact which helped his efficiency on dribble penetration, but he will need to find more ways to score off the bounce since he may struggle to finish against NBA length. Edwards flashed some skill as a passer by averaging 4.2 assists to 2.4 turnovers per 40. He can make the right reads from a standstill by seeing cutters, entering the ball into the post or swinging the ball in the flow of the offense to keep the action moving. He started to show some skill as a passer on the move and adding that ability to his arsenal will be the next step in his player development. This will help cement his ability to play from the wing as a multi-faceted offensive attacker. -

Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Vince-Edwards-71603/ ©DraftExpress

 

[BoilerGal74]

Non rhetorical question here....Painter regularly spoke about putting Dakota on an opponent' best man last year. Do you not believe that could make a difference in one's offense? You are right that Mathias was no Chris Kramer, but Chris was no Midwest Cowboy on offense either.....

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Non rhetorical question here....Painter regularly spoke about putting Dakota on an opponent' best man last year. Do you not believe that could make a difference in one's offense? You are right that Mathias was no Chris Kramer, but Chris was no Midwest Cowboy on offense either.....

I think you may be right as that may have pushed Mathias' focus towards defending more than offense...given his entrance to Purdue was marked with being the best shooter in the mid-west coming in. I think after seeing what is needed from him on the defensive end for an entire off-season, it will allow him to adjust his mentality in game. It is one thing to be a defensive stopper but limited ability offensively (Kramer)...it is a whole other thing to be known as an offensive player and adjust to being a defensive minded player. Once Mathias is able to sort that out in his own mind, he'll take a major step forward. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Mathias' numbers jump to averaging 14 points per game after averaging 9.7 last season. If he can increase his average by that 4.5 gap, it would mean a solid piece of what Biggie left is accounted for. Also wouldn't be surprised to see his defensive rebounding numbers bump a bit as well considering Biggie said he knwe Dakota would be there most times he was getting a board.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Many people were sad the day JJJ chose MSU and felt Purdue was his logical second choice! Part of JJJ's value was that he was skilled enough to play multiple positions. When MSU signed PF Tillman shortly thereafter a logical assumption was that JJJ WAS NOT signed to play PF. When JJJ signed his LOI, the media experts predicted Bridges would be leaving and JJJ could slide into the hole he left! I believe we can agree that was a logical assumption.

Where we differ is I took that assumption one step farther and speculated JJJ would not have signed with MSU if he knew Bridges was going to stay. I'm not saying he would have signed with Purdue. I just believe he would have signed elsewhere. The two guys I feel sorry for are Bowen and Tillman! Bowen isn't going to MSU if Bridges is there. And with Bridges staying and JJJ sliding over to PF, Tillman kind of gets lost in the shuffle! He could have started at Purdue, but now he's kind of an afterthought

Yes. JJJ won't be hurt by it but someone under him will. Great problem for Izzo though.