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If you’re going to ignore what I post or aren’t willing to accept the truth I’m going to stop.

“Ukrainian investigation of gas company Burisma is focused solely on activity that took place before Hunter Biden, son of former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, was hired to sit on its board, Ukraine’s anti-corruption investigation agency said.”


Biden’s ultimatum was because Ukraine wasn’t looking into corruption. Like 10 years ago. Where do you get that I was ever against it?

Biden never stopped an investigation. Where did you get that from?

Btw, who is the investigator you keep referring to? You should at least be able to name some names if you are gonna act like you have a damn clue about the topic.

Where did I hear? Where did you hear he was?

Shokin was not investigating corruption……which was a condition of the aid. Read slowly. IF WE WERE GOING TO GIVE THEM AID WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WOULDNT END UP IN THE POCKETS OF RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS. Does that make sense to you?

No more questions until you read the link dimwit.
Yes, but Hunter was hired in 2014 so his dad could protect the company, which Joe did.

The Burisma execs even laughed at Hunter's "stupidity" saying their dog was smarter, but his dad was the real asset.
 
Yes, but Hunter was hired in 2014 so his dad could protect the company, which Joe did.

The Burisma execs even laughed at Hunter's "stupidity" saying their dog was smarter, but his dad was the real asset.
Joe said Hunter is a smart guy. Who do we believe? 🤣

 
Hunter was hired by Burisma in May of 2014. Good Ol Joe held the money from Ukraine to get Shokin fired in 2016.
What? Ukraine was investigating Burisma before Hunter was hired.

From the article, which none of you seem to want to read.

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) said an investigation was ongoing into permits granted by officials at the Ministry of Ecology for the use of natural resources to a string of companies managed by Burisma.

But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden.

“Changes to the board of Burisma Limited, which are currently the object of international attention, took place only in May 2014, and therefore are not and never were the subject of (the anti-corruption bureau’s) investigation,” the bureau’s statement said.

Hunter Biden was a director on Burisma’s board from 2014-2018, according to documents filed by the company in Cyprus, where it is registered.

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) said an investigation was ongoing into permits granted by officials at the Ministry of Ecology for the use of natural resources to a string of companies managed by Burisma.

But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden.

“Changes to the board of Burisma Limited, which are currently the object of international attention, took place only in May 2014, and therefore are not and never were the subject of (the anti-corruption bureau’s) investigation,” the bureau’s statement said.

Hunter Biden was a director on Burisma’s board from 2014-2018, according to documents filed by the company in Cyprus, where it is registered.”



I get that you are unwilling to read anything that contradicts your versions of events about Shokin. You just want to keep repeating the lie.


CNN’s KFile found a February 2016 bipartisan letter signed by several Republican senators that urged then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to “press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General’s office and judiciary.”

Ukraine’s legislature voted to fire Shokin in March 2016, a month after the letter was sent.




In an interview with ABC News in April 2019, Shokin would later say he believed Biden pressured the government to fire him because he was leading an investigation into Burisma. But the assertion that Biden acted to help his son has been undercut by widespread criticism of Shokin from several high-profile international leaders, including members of the European Union and International Monetary Fund, who said Biden's recommendation was well justified. Once Shokin was removed, the European Union's envoy to Ukraine, Jan Tombinski, lauded the decision as "an opportunity to make a fresh start.
 
Yes, but Hunter was hired in 2014 so his dad could protect the company, which Joe did.

The Burisma execs even laughed at Hunter's "stupidity" saying their dog was smarter, but his dad was the real asset.
Dude. Shokin wasn’t investigating Burisma at that time. Show me something other than what the informant said that says he was. Use google. Surely you can find something where Ukraine said as much.
 
What? Ukraine was investigating Burisma before Hunter was hired.

From the article, which none of you seem to want to read.

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) said an investigation was ongoing into permits granted by officials at the Ministry of Ecology for the use of natural resources to a string of companies managed by Burisma.

But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden.

“Changes to the board of Burisma Limited, which are currently the object of international attention, took place only in May 2014, and therefore are not and never were the subject of (the anti-corruption bureau’s) investigation,” the bureau’s statement said.

Hunter Biden was a director on Burisma’s board from 2014-2018, according to documents filed by the company in Cyprus, where it is registered.

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) said an investigation was ongoing into permits granted by officials at the Ministry of Ecology for the use of natural resources to a string of companies managed by Burisma.

But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden.

“Changes to the board of Burisma Limited, which are currently the object of international attention, took place only in May 2014, and therefore are not and never were the subject of (the anti-corruption bureau’s) investigation,” the bureau’s statement said.

Hunter Biden was a director on Burisma’s board from 2014-2018, according to documents filed by the company in Cyprus, where it is registered.”



I get that you are unwilling to read anything that contradicts your versions of events about Shokin. You just want to keep repeating the lie.


CNN’s KFile found a February 2016 bipartisan letter signed by several Republican senators that urged then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to “press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General’s office and judiciary.”

Ukraine’s legislature voted to fire Shokin in March 2016, a month after the letter was sent.




In an interview with ABC News in April 2019, Shokin would later say he believed Biden pressured the government to fire him because he was leading an investigation into Burisma. But the assertion that Biden acted to help his son has been undercut by widespread criticism of Shokin from several high-profile international leaders, including members of the European Union and International Monetary Fund, who said Biden's recommendation was well justified. Once Shokin was removed, the European Union's envoy to Ukraine, Jan Tombinski, lauded the decision as "an opportunity to make a fresh start.
What you seem to not understand is that the investigation was ongoing and Burisma hired Hunter so his father could protect them. Doesn't matter what time period of the company that was under investigation. They hired Hunter for help and Joe took out the prosecutor and both he and Hunter were paid for it.
 
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Dude. Shokin wasn’t investigating Burisma at that time. Show me something other than what the informant said that says he was. Use google. Surely you can find something where Ukraine said as much.
How about the FBI's FD-1023 document that I've linked already.


“CHS recalled this meeting took place around the time Joe Biden made a public statement about (former) Ukraine Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin being corrupt, and that he should be fired/removed from office,” the form adds. “CHS told Zlochevsky that due to Shokin’s investigation into Burisma, which was made public at this time, it would have a substantial negative impact on Burisma’s prospective IPO in the United States.”

Also, Shokin was told to shelve the investigation in 2014 through 2015. Shokin didn't want to, but he followed orders. Getting rid of him and replacing him with someone more friendly to Burisma was just the next step to protect the company.

Remember, Hunter was hired early 2014.

So, perhaps there wasn't an ongoing investigation at the time. Perhaps Shokin was asking permission to pick the investigation back up and this got back to the Bidens. Then you'd have no record of an investigation, and Biden could claim he was getting rid of an ineffective prosecutor when in fact he was doing the bidding of a company for money.


I have linked video of prosecutors from Ukraine doing a media interview in the past with them talking about the investigation as well, but it was very hard to find back then, so I'm sure damn impossible now.

What's scary here is how easily you dismiss this. There's tons of smoke and you're unwilling to even accept for one second there could be a fire.
 
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How about the FBI's FD-1023 document that I've linked already.


“CHS recalled this meeting took place around the time Joe Biden made a public statement about (former) Ukraine Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin being corrupt, and that he should be fired/removed from office,” the form adds. “CHS told Zlochevsky that due to Shokin’s investigation into Burisma, which was made public at this time, it would have a substantial negative impact on Burisma’s prospective IPO in the United States.”

Also, Shokin was told to shelve the investigation in 2014 through 2015. Shokin didn't want to, but he followed orders. Getting rid of him and replacing him with someone more friendly to Burisma was just the next step to protect the company.

Remember, Hunter was hired early 2014.

So, perhaps there wasn't an ongoing investigation at the time. Perhaps Shokin was asking permission to pick the investigation back up and this got back to the Bidens. Then you'd have no record of an investigation, and Biden could claim he was getting rid of an ineffective prosecutor when in fact he was doing the bidding of a company for money.


I have linked video of prosecutors from Ukraine doing a media interview in the past with them talking about the investigation as well, but it was very hard to find back then, so I'm sure damn impossible now.

What's scary here is how easily you dismiss this. There's tons of smoke and you're unwilling to even accept for one second there could be a fire.
Why do you continue to do easily take this Burisma executive at his word? He was paying a VP’s son for influence. Burisma has been trashed since all this came out. But now we believe what they say because it’s what you want to hear.

You’re also taking the informants word as gospel. While he has been labeled as reliable, and I have no reason to doubt that, he’s still passing on second hand info.

Further still, why do you consistently assume that Hunter was doing/accomplishing what Zlockevsky thought he was paying for? Seems to me Hunter promised all sorts of things to the foreign entities he was being paid by. Do you think these people would pay him if he told them he would no influence on his father? ? ? Of course not. He wanted to get paid and the way to do that was to tell them he could Dad to do what they wanted. THAT DOESNT MEAN IT HAPPENED.

You will believe the Shokin story despite all the evidence to the contrary so there’s no point giving you more links to prove otherwise. What other ways did Biden take action to benefit Hunters partners……be it Ukraine or China or whoever? What policies did Biden take that benefitted them?

Bring on the tapes and the witnesses. Bring on the bank records. Show how Biden did the bidding of Hunter’s partners.
 
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Why do you continue to do easily take this Burisma executive at his word? He was paying a VP’s son for influence. Burisma has been trashed since all this came out. But now we believe what they say because it’s what you want to hear.

You’re also taking the informants word as gospel. While he has been labeled as reliable, and I have no reason to doubt that, he’s still passing on second hand info.

Further still, why do you consistently assume that Hunter was doing/accomplishing what Zlockevsky thought he was paying for? Seems to me Hunter promised all sorts of things to the foreign entities he was being paid by. Do you think these people would pay him if he told them he would no influence on his father? ? ? Of course not. He wanted to get paid and the way to do that was to tell them he could Dad to do what they wanted. THAT DOESNT MEAN IT HAPPENED.
So you think all of these companies didn't communicate between one another to see if Hunter could deliver on his promises and just took his word for it? You're so ****ing naive.
You will believe the Shokin story despite all the evidence to the contrary so there’s no point giving you more links to prove otherwise. What other ways did Biden take action to benefit Hunters partners……be it Ukraine or China or whoever? What policies did Biden take that benefitted them?

Bring on the tapes and the witnesses. Bring on the bank records. Show how Biden did the bidding of Hunter’s partners.
No, I don't believe everything he says word for word, but I do think it's credible because it supports ALL of the other evidence that is coming from multiple other sources.

How's Russia Russia Russia going?
 
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Joe said Hunter is a smart guy. Who do we believe? 🤣

If he knew Bob, Joe would say he is the second smartest guy he knows.
Why do you continue to do easily take this Burisma executive at his word?
A better question is, now that you have said you think Joe was lying about knowing of Hunter's business activities, why do you now give him the benefit of the doubt on anything he says?
 
So you think all of these companies didn't communicate between one another to see if Hunter could deliver on his promises and just took his word for it? You're so ****ing naive.

No, I don't believe everything he says word for word, but I do think it's credible because it supports ALL of the other evidence that is coming from multiple other sources.

How's Russia Russia Russia going?
You mean the Chinese were calling the Ukrainians to inquire if Hunter was reliable? Seriously? That’s your answer? Calling me naive doesn’t make your point more valid.

I don’t know what other sources you’re referring to, but the idea the Hunter used the same sales pitch on everybody he approached makes sense given it WAS WORKING. Again, Hunter was willing to SAY whatever he needed to say to get paid. That means zero for proof against Joe if you don’t have any evidence. He said Joe was sitting beside him in the one conversation. Was Joe there? Did he say anything? If Hunter really wanted to pressure the guy on the phone he could have just handed the phone to Joe.
 
You mean the Chinese were calling the Ukrainians to inquire if Hunter was reliable? Seriously? That’s your answer? Calling me naive doesn’t make your point more valid.
And the Romanians and Russians and so on and so forth.
I don’t know what other sources you’re referring to, but the idea the Hunter used the same sales pitch on everybody he approached makes sense given it WAS WORKING. Again, Hunter was willing to SAY whatever he needed to say to get paid. That means zero for proof against Joe if you don’t have any evidence. He said Joe was sitting beside him in the one conversation. Was Joe there? Did he say anything? If Hunter really wanted to pressure the guy on the phone he could have just handed the phone to Joe.
Dude, companies aren't going to shell out millions of dollars to a no talent drug addict unless they can verify in some way that he's not full of shit. For believing otherwise, yes you're incredibly naive.
 
And the Romanians and Russians and so on and so forth.

Dude, companies aren't going to shell out millions of dollars to a no talent drug addict unless they can verify in some way that he's not full of shit. For believing otherwise, yes you're incredibly naive.
Oh with naive again. Still doesn’t help your point.

Sure they are. If they thought the person involved could affect their business positively, the salary could pay for itself many times over.

Again, you think a these companies from different countries were calling each other to ask about Hunter? How would they know about the other businesses? If Hunter told them, wouldn’t they get negative feedback and refuse to pay him? Or if the unqualified drug addict was earning his keep, post all the info you can find about policy decisions that benefitted those countries/entities as a result of Hunter being hired…….when Joe was VP or out of office.
 
What? Ukraine was investigating Burisma before Hunter was hired.

From the article, which none of you seem to want to read.

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) said an investigation was ongoing into permits granted by officials at the Ministry of Ecology for the use of natural resources to a string of companies managed by Burisma.

But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden.

“Changes to the board of Burisma Limited, which are currently the object of international attention, took place only in May 2014, and therefore are not and never were the subject of (the anti-corruption bureau’s) investigation,” the bureau’s statement said.

Hunter Biden was a director on Burisma’s board from 2014-2018, according to documents filed by the company in Cyprus, where it is registered.

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) said an investigation was ongoing into permits granted by officials at the Ministry of Ecology for the use of natural resources to a string of companies managed by Burisma.

But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden.

“Changes to the board of Burisma Limited, which are currently the object of international attention, took place only in May 2014, and therefore are not and never were the subject of (the anti-corruption bureau’s) investigation,” the bureau’s statement said.

Hunter Biden was a director on Burisma’s board from 2014-2018, according to documents filed by the company in Cyprus, where it is registered.”



I get that you are unwilling to read anything that contradicts your versions of events about Shokin. You just want to keep repeating the lie.


CNN’s KFile found a February 2016 bipartisan letter signed by several Republican senators that urged then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to “press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General’s office and judiciary.”

Ukraine’s legislature voted to fire Shokin in March 2016, a month after the letter was sent.




In an interview with ABC News in April 2019, Shokin would later say he believed Biden pressured the government to fire him because he was leading an investigation into Burisma. But the assertion that Biden acted to help his son has been undercut by widespread criticism of Shokin from several high-profile international leaders, including members of the European Union and International Monetary Fund, who said Biden's recommendation was well justified. Once Shokin was removed, the European Union's envoy to Ukraine, Jan Tombinski, lauded the decision as "an opportunity to make a fresh start.
All very nice.
So why did Burisma give the BIG Guy 5 million and Hunter 5 million within weeks of the the 1 billion Joe threaten to hold back if the investigation wasn't stopped.
And there are bank transaction records uncovered by the House Investigation committee to prove the money went to the Biden family.
And this transaction to the Biden Family is one of 150+ flagged by US banks as questionable and possibly corrupt.
But you regurgitate the Democrat-MSM talking points well.
 
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