Tom Allen = Poor Mans Tom Crean
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What exactly does this mean? We don't really know what he can do as head coach, although he did fine in the bowl game. The guy can certainly coach defense a lot better than Tom Crean.
I guess I don't understand the comparison other than you don't like Indiana.
Curious why someone would post something like this.....care to explain why you think Allen is going to fail? Or is it more just wanting him to fail? That I can understand.
Lack of the capacity to come up with a better comeback.
lol good one. Brohm is a significantly better coach than hazell. The only thing they have in common is that they've coached at Purdue.
Same logic you morons used to say Tom Allen is equal to Tom Crean. Think about it.
I imagine you said something along the lines of what is below when Hazell was hired....
Hazell is a significantly better coach than Hope. The only thing they have in common is that they've coached at Purdue.
Both programs have a lot of question marks I think. How well will Tom Allen fare in his first hc gig? Can Brohm rebuild a franchise in disarray?
Purdue has gotten 21 commitments since June 5th. I realize some of them don't have P5 offers but I trust Brohm's evaluation skills. He won 30 games the last 4 years which is impressive. Granted it's in a lower conference but he's proven he can recruit the right people for his system and win. Hazell never proved that. He had one fluke season at Kent State with a great player named Dri Archer and an unsustainable turnover margin.
Allen and Crean do look somewhat alike so it's not that crazy. I don't think you can compare their coaching abilities necessarily but they do look similar imo.
I can understand both sides...the similarities between Allen and Crean: both are like cheerleaders on the sidelines as opposed to keeping a calm disposition, they do have a generally similar appearance, both demonstrate a nervous energy, and both ramble in interviews.
There are some differences...Crean had heading coaching experience and success in that role prior to his stint at IU (Allen is a newcomer to the head coach position, 0-1 technically), Crean spent several years at Marqette while Allen has changed jobs 6 times since 2010, Allen is all about defense (Crean, not so much), and Crean had to rebuild IU basketball whereas Allen is taking over a program that is as good as it's been since the early '90s despite having only one winning season in >20 years.
There are some differences...Crean had heading coaching experience and success in that role prior to his stint at IU (Allen is a newcomer to the head coach position, 0-1 technically), Crean spent several years at Marqette while Allen has changed jobs 6 times since 2010, Allen is all about defense (Crean, not so much), and Crean had to rebuild IU basketball whereas Allen is taking over a program that is as good as it's been since the early '90s despite having only one winning season in >20 years.
It is true that Brohm is an unproven coach at the B1G level. However, he does have a good record of success at the lower level as a HC.
Allen has not been a HC at the collegiate level prior to this season. ( I do not count the bowl game.) He is embarking on his first season as a HC. He may work out and he may not. The same can be said of Brohm.
But if you are going to predict which of the two will be more successful, you almost have to pick Brohm. This is true for two reasons: 1) the prior success at WKy and 2) Purdue has a much better history over time than does IU. The tradition as a good program much favors Purdue. Admittedly, recent history has favored IU (the Hazell regime) but prior it has been in Purdue's favor for multiple decades.
it is a decision made under uncertainty, but you have to favor Brohm imo.
Allen has not been a HC at the collegiate level prior to this season. ( I do not count the bowl game.) He is embarking on his first season as a HC. He may work out and he may not. The same can be said of Brohm.
But if you are going to predict which of the two will be more successful, you almost have to pick Brohm. This is true for two reasons: 1) the prior success at WKy and 2) Purdue has a much better history over time than does IU. The tradition as a good program much favors Purdue. Admittedly, recent history has favored IU (the Hazell regime) but prior it has been in Purdue's favor for multiple decades.
it is a decision made under uncertainty, but you have to favor Brohm imo.
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Nope not really. Neither Hope nor Hazell were praised by national media as big-time hires. Brohm was praised as being one of (if not THE best) hires this past offseason.
Ok, so you're using reasoning that you know is faulty, and your comment is just BS.
And for the record, I have said a word about Tom Allen.
I would imagine IU fans have thought every football coach they have hired since Bo McMillen left in 1947 was going to succeed,but not one has left Gloomington with a career winning record since Bo.There cant be too many Hoosier fans alive who can remember him.You cant be serious .Darrell being better than Hope.?By the way,Hopes four Purdue teams won 13 Big Ten games in four seasons,while Kevin Wilsons IU teams won only 12 league tilts in six years.
There are some stupid posts on here at times, but this is #1.
In the last three years, Brohm had a victory over a P5 school along with defeating USF (essentially as close as it comes to P5). In that same span of time, Hazel had three while playing in a P5 conference and getting 28 chances (added in Cinncy for same reason I added USF).
By the numbers, Hazell went 3-28 against P5 or AAC competition (10.7%). Brohm went 4-5 in 9 total games against P5 or AAC teams (44%). With lower level talent against similar competition, Brohm fared much better than Hazell did.
Allen's problems are multiple....
- Never been a HC
- Beginning his HC career at a non-FB school
- Was never in high places as a HS coach and his time at Ben Davis was very questionable
- Most every school in the conference has improved
- Minny hit a home run and may have landed the best new coach, though like Brohm, it's a wait and see
- Brohm,, like Allen has to prove himself in a much tougher conference
- Neither Brohm nor Allen have hit home runs in recruiting
- If I HAD to take Brohm or Allen, I'd have to take Brohm and I'm not sold on him yet
- Like Crean, he leaves that lasting impression of an idiot
- I doubt either team wins six games this year and suspect IU will win maybe four.
"Lasting impression of an idiot" - really? Can you tell me why you would say that about Allen?
And, IU will not win more than four games? If you cannot see five wins you are not an objective football fan, but rather forecasting with some rather black and gold tinted lenses, which is understandable. They may not win more than five however.
Yep....lasting impression of an idiot. First time I saw the guy, and listened to him, it's obvious that he's a Crean clone and that makes him an idiot.
So tell me...........who's IU's five wins.
Well, good thing we all know your bias prevents you from being objective about anything IU.
But since you asked - Virginia, FIU, Georgia Southern, Illinois, Purdue - with MSU, Maryland, and Rutgers all possible wins as well.
Dip$hit. You can't fake a 30-10 record, two straight conference championships and three bowl game wins in three seasons. You also can't fake leading the nation in scoring over the last three years at 44.7 ppg.
Time will show that Purdue got the better coach vs. "Lil PJ". His schtick will wear thin quickly, especially when they take a step back this season vs. last season. Mark it down - Minnesota will have a worse record in 2017 than 2016.
IU is the worst team in the BIG East. Maryland is already quite a bit better and Rutgers will surpass IU this season. IU will not beat MSU this year. IU will likely lose to Purdue at Purdue this year. So where are IU's 5 wins again? They aren't beating OSU, Michigan, or PSU.
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@ UVa with Mendenhall as coach? L for IU. IU SHOULD beat FIU and GA Southern. Illinois - yes. Purdue @ Purdue? No. You're a fool if you are already marking MSU as a win. IU won't beat Maryland. Rutgers - maybe. IU's a 4-5 win team this season at best. IU's offense will be worse (Wilson is better than DeBord) and people will figure out Allen's defense. IU can't win as a defense-first team. Allen got rid of some of his best coaches - like OL Coach Frey.
IU is going back to where it belongs - DFL in the BIG.
Sounds like you should put down some heavy action against IU since you know exactly what is going to happen this season. Don't spend it all in one place.
Never said MSU was a win...said it was a "possible" win (but then aren't all games)? MSU was a mess last year and have had a lot of internal issues this year so far. We'll have to see if they can get themselves straightened out.
In pre-Haze years I would have agreed with you about Purdue at Purdue, but I think IU has two more bucket wins before Brohm stops the streak at 6. I'll bet many disagree.
If we are going by possible wins, I'll take Purdue at 12-0 since every game is a possible win.
In reality, IU could have probably hired a nice young coach since their cupboards are hardly bare thanks to Kevin Wilson. But you could say that IU's situation is eerily similar to Purdue after Tiller left. Both Tiller and Wilson took their programs to heights not seen in quite some time and although their exits are drastically different...the hires to follow were very 'blah.' The book on Allen hasn't been written yet but it's hard to see the program to continue to grow. Unless Allen gets a hotshot OC (which is why IU was a tough out for any team because they didn't have to hire a hotshot OC...Wilson was it), they'll take a step back.
No bias at all. I've watched IU football be the laughing stock for a long time, and I can tell you honestly it's my opinion without bias that Allen will not equal Wilson's tenure at IU and I couldn't stand the bar hopping, cheerleader harassing Wilson. Sorry, but you're back the good old days of loss after loss.
If our politicians get their heads out of their asses, green technology is the way to go imo.
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