Tom Allen = Poor Mans Tom Crean

[SDBoiler1]

If we are going by possible wins, I'll take Purdue at 12-0 since every game is a possible win.

In reality, IU could have probably hired a nice young coach since their cupboards are hardly bare thanks to Kevin Wilson. But you could say that IU's situation is eerily similar to Purdue after Tiller left. Both Tiller and Wilson took their programs to heights not seen in quite some time and although their exits are drastically different...the hires to follow were very 'blah.' The book on Allen hasn't been written yet but it's hard to see the program to continue to grow. Unless Allen gets a hotshot OC (which is why IU was a tough out for any team because they didn't have to hire a hotshot OC...Wilson was it), they'll take a step back.

Sorry, but comparing Tiller and Wilson is silly. IU never finished with a winning season under Wilson and he was 26-47 (12 - 37 in BIG). Hell, Danny Hope was 22-27 (13-19 in BIG). So, to be clear, Hope won more BIG games while coaching 12 less!

Tiller was 87-62 (53-43 in BIG) and Tiller beat IU 10 out of 12 times.

I agree that IU will take a step back with their glorified HS coach.

 

[SDBoiler1]

And Purdue is the worst team in the much easier Big Ten West.

Not true. D-Haze beat Illinois twice and Brohm will own Lovie Smith. Pretty soon, IU will be worse than Illinois.

 

[doc2575]

Not true. D-Haze beat Illinois twice and Brohm will own Lovie Smith. Pretty soon, IU will be worse than Illinois.

The facts state otherwise.....

http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/fb-confsked.html

 

[boiler1987]

And Purdue is the worst team in the much easier Big Ten West.

We're better than Illinois.

 

[boiler1987]

The facts state otherwise.....

http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/fb-confsked.html

Hazell did beat Illinois twice. 2 of his 3 conference wins were against Illinois. Brohm>>>>>>>>>>>Lovie

 

[boiler1987]

And Purdue is the worst team in the much easier Big Ten West.

Much easier climb for us than it is for you.

 

[boiler1987]

Sounds like you should put down some heavy action against IU since you know exactly what is going to happen this season. Don't spend it all in one place.

I think iu can get to 6 wins. I'm saying that your pre-conference schedule is very manageable. If you had to play Louisville, Missouri, and Ohio instead of FIU, Georgia Southern, and Virginia, you'd be in a tougher spot. That's a cake pre-conference schedule.

 

[boiler1987]

The facts state otherwise.....

http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/fb-confsked.html

You lost all credibility when you said Brohm equaled white Hazell. Easily one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

 

[IUHDog]

No doubt and I'd bet Brohm would trade non-con schedules with IU in a New York minute.

 

[doc2575]

You lost all credibility when you said Brohm equaled white Hazell. Easily one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Just trying to get a rise out you all. Only way to get through the offseason.

Agree on the non-con schedule; I wouldn't be happy with Louisville + Missouri during a re-build. Our non-con is really light for the next 3-4 years and I think we have to have it that way being in the east. I would love to see IU add Kentucky back to the schedule.

 

[SDBoiler1]

The facts state otherwise.....

http://www.bigten.org/library/stats/fb-confsked.html

You're an idiot.

 

[boilermaker75]

No doubt and I'd bet Brohm would trade non-con schedules with IU in a New York minute.

I don't think Brohm cares. He wants to play, and beat, strong teams and he will.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Since you are so full of future facts, got any good stock picks for us?

Nope..

 

[arcb102000]

As Mark Twain once observed: " It is difficult to make prediction, particularly about the future."

 

[burbo]

Just trying to get a rise out you all. Only way to get through the offseason.

Agree on the non-con schedule; I wouldn't be happy with Louisville + Missouri during a re-build. Our non-con is really light for the next 3-4 years and I think we have to have it that way being in the east. I would love to see IU add Kentucky back to the schedule.

Your non-con is really light for the next 3-4 years....so apparently Crean did that scheduling too.

 

[pu1985]

Your non-con is really light for the next 3-4 years....so apparently Crean did that scheduling too.

Their non-con has been cupcakes for the last 10+ years...and they still can't crack 6 wins.

 

[iuhoosierstildeath]

@ UVa with Mendenhall as coach? L for IU. IU SHOULD beat FIU and GA Southern. Illinois - yes. Purdue @ Purdue? No. You're a fool if you are already marking MSU as a win. IU won't beat Maryland. Rutgers - maybe. IU's a 4-5 win team this season at best. IU's offense will be worse (Wilson is better than DeBord) and people will figure out Allen's defense. IU can't win as a defense-first team. Allen got rid of some of his best coaches - like OL Coach Frey.

IU is going back to where it belongs - DFL in the BIG.

I would be willing to bet you everything you own that IU wins more than 5 games this year

 

[SDBoiler1]

I would be willing to bet you everything you own that IU wins more than 5 games this year

Again Loosier, where are the "more than 5 wins coming from"? IU is going to get pounded by Urban Meyer in Game 1 and you're going to see just how bad your glorified HS coach is. As I said before:

@ UVa with Mendenhall as coach? L for IU. IU SHOULD beat FIU and GA Southern. Illinois - yes. Purdue @ Purdue? No. You're a fool if you are already marking MSU as a win. IU won't beat Maryland. Rutgers - maybe. IU's a 4-5 win team this season at best. IU's offense will be worse (Wilson is better than DeBord) and people will figure out Allen's defense. IU can't win as a defense-first team. Allen got rid of some of his best coaches - like OL Coach Frey.

IU is going back to where it belongs - DFL in the BIG.

 

[iuhoosierstildeath]

Again Loosier, where are the "more than 5 wins coming from"? IU is going to get pounded by Urban Meyer in Game 1 and you're going to see just how bad your glorified HS coach is. As I said before:

@ UVa with Mendenhall as coach? L for IU. IU SHOULD beat FIU and GA Southern. Illinois - yes. Purdue @ Purdue? No. You're a fool if you are already marking MSU as a win. IU won't beat Maryland. Rutgers - maybe. IU's a 4-5 win team this season at best. IU's offense will be worse (Wilson is better than DeBord) and people will figure out Allen's defense. IU can't win as a defense-first team. Allen got rid of some of his best coaches - like OL Coach Frey.

IU is going back to where it belongs - DFL in the BIG.

Week 1 OSU- Shock the world type win
Week 2 UVA- Win on the last drive
Week 3 FIU- Win big
Week 4 GA SO- Scary but win late
Week 5 PSU- L
Week 6 Mich- late L
Week 7 MSU- W
Week 8 Maryland- W
Week 9 Wisconsin- L
Week 10 Illinois- W
Week 11- Rutgers W
Week 12- POTFB WIN BY 50

9-3

 

[nat100]

Week 1 OSU- Shock the world type win
Week 2 UVA- Win on the last drive
Week 3 FIU- Win big
Week 4 GA SO- Scary but win late
Week 5 PSU- L
Week 6 Mich- late L
Week 7 MSU- W
Week 8 Maryland- W
Week 9 Wisconsin- L
Week 10 Illinois- W
Week 11- Rutgers W
Week 12- POTFB WIN BY 50

9-3

Must have been in the shine early today.

 

[IUHDog]

Again Loosier, where are the "more than 5 wins coming from"? IU is going to get pounded by Urban Meyer in Game 1 and you're going to see just how bad your glorified HS coach is. As I said before:

@ UVa with Mendenhall as coach? L for IU. IU SHOULD beat FIU and GA Southern. Illinois - yes. Purdue @ Purdue? No. You're a fool if you are already marking MSU as a win. IU won't beat Maryland. Rutgers - maybe. IU's a 4-5 win team this season at best. IU's offense will be worse (Wilson is better than DeBord) and people will figure out Allen's defense. IU can't win as a defense-first team. Allen got rid of some of his best coaches - like OL Coach Frey.

IU is going back to where it belongs - DFL in the BIG.

Purdue @ Purdue - NO. Why not?

Happened before, and recently, and while Brohm is a much better coach, Purdue is still less talented and less deep with some still major league unanswered questions like the offensive and defensive lines and wide receivers. You will rely heavily on a bunch of transfers and juco guys and we all know what that means (mixed results). Purdue may win and Ross-Aide is a tough place to play for IU, but most of the students will be gone and depending how things go before the bucket game, there may be more IU fans in the stands than the boiler-up brigade.

Just keeping it real.....IU won't blow Purdue out, but they will still be favored more than likely.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Purdue @ Purdue - NO. Why not?

Happened before, and recently, and while Brohm is a much better coach, Purdue is still less talented and less deep with some still major league unanswered questions like the offensive and defensive lines and wide receivers. You will rely heavily on a bunch of transfers and juco guys and we all know what that means (mixed results). Purdue may win and Ross-Aide is a tough place to play for IU, but most of the students will be gone and depending how things go before the bucket game, there may be more IU fans in the stands than the boiler-up brigade.

Just keeping it real.....IU won't blow Purdue out, but they will still be favored more than likely.

IU will be on fumes by the time the Bucket Game comes around. Getting your a$$es kicked by OSU, PSU, Michigan, MSU, etc., tends to do that. Purdue is going to beat IU this year and I suspect IU will not see the bucket again for some time.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Week 1 OSU- Shock the world type win
Week 2 UVA- Win on the last drive
Week 3 FIU- Win big
Week 4 GA SO- Scary but win late
Week 5 PSU- L
Week 6 Mich- late L
Week 7 MSU- W
Week 8 Maryland- W
Week 9 Wisconsin- L
Week 10 Illinois- W
Week 11- Rutgers W
Week 12- POTFB WIN BY 50

9-3

No way in hell does IU beat UVa @ UVa, MSU, Maryland, and @Purdue this year. IU will be lucky to win 5 games this year. I think they finish 4-8.

 

[Purdue85]

Week 1 OSU- Shock the world type win
Week 2 UVA- Win on the last drive
Week 3 FIU- Win big
Week 4 GA SO- Scary but win late
Week 5 PSU- L
Week 6 Mich- late L
Week 7 MSU- W
Week 8 Maryland- W
Week 9 Wisconsin- L
Week 10 Illinois- W
Week 11- Rutgers W
Week 12- POTFB WIN BY 50

9-3

9-3?? that's just stupid.

Start the season 0-2, go to 2-2 (maybe), then 5 straight losses, followed by a POSSIBLE win v IL and Rutgers, with a likely loss v Purdue.

Right now you're at 4 wins, maybe 5 if you pull one out of your @sses v Purdue.

 

[IUHDog]

Love the almost total lack of objectivity......from both sides. Will be fun to come back after the bucket game crowing or having eaten some.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Love the almost total lack of objectivity......from both sides. Will be fun to come back after the bucket game crowing or having eaten some.

Please remind me. When was the last season that IU had a winning season or won a bowl game?

 

[boiler1987]

Week 1 OSU- Shock the world type win
Week 2 UVA- Win on the last drive
Week 3 FIU- Win big
Week 4 GA SO- Scary but win late
Week 5 PSU- L
Week 6 Mich- late L
Week 7 MSU- W
Week 8 Maryland- W
Week 9 Wisconsin- L
Week 10 Illinois- W
Week 11- Rutgers W
Week 12- POTFB WIN BY 50

9-3

You have 2 9-win seasons in your entire history and the last one was in 1967. Maybe pump the breaks a bit? Maybe win a bowl game/finish over .500 first? Even with as bad as we've been, we've still won a bow game this decade. It's been 26 years since you last won a bowl game. We won one in 2011. OSU has beaten you 21 times in a row!

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Again Loosier, where are the "more than 5 wins coming from"? IU is going to get pounded by Urban Meyer in Game 1 and you're going to see just how bad your glorified HS coach is. As I said before:

@ UVa with Mendenhall as coach? L for IU. IU SHOULD beat FIU and GA Southern. Illinois - yes. Purdue @ Purdue? No. You're a fool if you are already marking MSU as a win. IU won't beat Maryland. Rutgers - maybe. IU's a 4-5 win team this season at best. IU's offense will be worse (Wilson is better than DeBord) and people will figure out Allen's defense. IU can't win as a defense-first team. Allen got rid of some of his best coaches - like OL Coach Frey.

IU is going back to where it belongs - DFL in the BIG.

I watched Allen interviewed by Channel 13 in Indy the other night and had to laugh at just how stupid the guy sounds when predicting IU will win the B10 this year. If he's as dumb as he comes across IU won't win three games. I almost felt sorry for the guy.

 

[boiler1987]

Week 1 OSU- Shock the world type win
Week 2 UVA- Win on the last drive
Week 3 FIU- Win big
Week 4 GA SO- Scary but win late
Week 5 PSU- L
Week 6 Mich- late L
Week 7 MSU- W
Week 8 Maryland- W
Week 9 Wisconsin- L
Week 10 Illinois- W
Week 11- Rutgers W
Week 12- POTFB WIN BY 50

9-3

A better iu team last year than this year beat a terrible Purdue team at HOME by 2. We're at home and have a legit coach. Have you ever beaten us by 50? We beat you by 52 not even a decade ago.

 

[IUHDog]

Please remind me. When was the last season that IU had a winning season or won a bowl game?

Not that it's relevant to 2017, but I do think the last bowl game was won the same year F-Troop was the #1 rated TV show.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Not that it's relevant to 2017, but I do think the last bowl game was won the same year F-Troop was the #1 rated TV show.

The last time IU won a bowl game, Bill Mallory was the coach in 1994. Pathetic.

 

[IUHDog]

The last time IU won a bowl game, Bill Mallory was the coach in 1994. Pathetic.

As much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree. But I prefer to look at the present and feel pretty good about the direction of IU's football program. Time will tell.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

As much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree. But I prefer to look at the present and feel pretty good about the direction of IU's football program. Time will tell.

A former lack-luster Ben Davis coach isn't the answer for IU. IU has to blow up the entire program from your questionable AD, to the coaches on staff, and you have to bring in a BIG name coach. Right now, there's a buzz with Sean's little brother that is and will, with a few wins suck the air out of the football again. I have to agree with most in this thread that IU FB is on another down slide and may in fact very soon become the worst in NCAA D1 again. As much as I dislike Wilson's character, he was the reason for two minor bowls, and a perceived idea that IU FB was on the rise.

 

[tigerchump]

The last time IU won a bowl game, Bill Mallory was the coach in 1994. Pathetic.

IU last won a Bowl Game on New Years eve,1991.That was four US Presidents ago.

 

[SDBoiler1]

IU last won a Bowl Game on New Years eve,1991.That was four US Presidents ago.

You're right. IU beat Baylor 24-0 in the Copper Bowl. Nearly 26 years ago. Even more pathetic.

 

[IUHDog]

4 Bucket wins in a row takes a little bit of the sting away from our bowl game winless streak. But I digress....

 

[SDBoiler1]

4 Bucket wins in a row takes a little bit of the sting away from our bowl game winless streak. But I digress....

Yes, against Purdue's worst ever coach. In that stretch IU had 0 winning seasons. Congrats. It changes this year...

 

[Purdue85]

Love the almost total lack of objectivity......from both sides. Will be fun to come back after the bucket game crowing or having eaten some.

Please explain the "objectivity" of some dumb@ss thinking IU ... IU! ... would go 9-3.

Please?

With some degree of SANITY.

 

[IUHDog]

9-3...can't go there. I think IU going 6-6 will be an accomplishment.

 

[boiler1987]

9-3...can't go there. I think IU going 6-6 will be an accomplishment.

What's your prediction for wins? You're a level-headed poster. Do you think iu has a solid defense but average offense? I think iu won't have as good of an offense this year. They are definitely worse at RB and while they have good WR's, I think their o-like won't be nearly as talented either.