To Nojel's Mom....and to the posters that dare to blame anyone player!!

[Purdue0034]

My 2-cents... whether you are 18, 21 or much older some people can take criticism better than others. I think criticism that is fact based and not mean spirited is a little easier to endure. And perhaps constructive as well. Criticism that is not constructive needs to be re-thought in my opinion. I think there is a balance between coddling an 18 year old and treating him like he is a fully mature man. I think most of the older posters on here will agree that you weren't as grown up as you thought you were when you were 18. A lot of life lessons ahead. I think some people cross the line when dealing out criticism. Sometimes the popular saying..be kind because you don't know what someone may be going through is a very valid prespective to have.

 

[burnacct20]

I have been reading this board for a long time and I have never bothered to register or post. I have played, coached and been the mother of players for more years then I like to admit. I couldn't sleep last night because of a post.
Let me start by saying I love watching your son develop and play. Defense always was the key to playing if you were on my team-the most important key player to me was my defensive specialist. The players that score get all the glory and folks that don't know the game think they are always the best players. I remember one game my daughter had an amazing offensive rebound, brought the ball up court through a full press against older and bigger boys, faked a shot, made an amazing pass to a player who was totally out of position and unguarded and who do you think the crowd cheered for...???
These people that post are clearly not Mom's. I am and I tell if if someone criticizes my baby I will jump the bleachers and have a "chat" with them. Nojel is such a fun player to watch. He really has no idea how good he can be. What I like most about him is the way he conducts himself on the court. That will take him so far in life. When he gets his jump shot he will be a force. He needs to be the general next year. He needs to find a little cocky (which I almost never say).
Stop letting some of these posters get to you. You have the best job in the world. You get to love your son through the success and the failures of life. He has this basketball thing under control. He is the player that is growing the most.
I hate the threads that blame one player! Basketball is a TEAM sport. You win together and you lose together!! We forget that those are babies out there! Just 18-22 year old kids!! They have so many pressures. The PU fans need to stand behind these boys. I am so tired of everyone saying that our boys are not athletic! These kids are some of the best players in the country AND they are a TEAM. Not one of them is perfect or plays the perfect game. That is the goal they will spend a career working for. Love then-Love Purdue-Go Boilers (and Nojel's Mom- rise above the negative posters-those of us who know basketball see what he contributes every night (but I still yell at him when he misses a shot ).

How do you get an offensive rebound and then dribble down the court breaking the press?

 

[NashvilleBoiler]

How do you get an offensive rebound and then dribble down the court breaking the press?

This whole thread sucks...but that was funny

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Those boys are not getting a free education-they are working for it. You are right - I only coached High School and DII (and yes it was women's basketball). I was just trying to support another Mom with all of the idiotic comments against Nojel. Sorry my 4 kids did not pursue athletics at the next level. They went with academic offers to Georgia Tech and M.I.T. Painter is an amazing coach and all those boys have grown. I just see all the little things the Nojel does. I love a defensive minded player.

Sure...we all believe you. How was it as someone else pointed out that your daughter was playing against boys? And yes, it is a free education...that no one else gets for playing a game. P L A Y I N G a game.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

How do you get an offensive rebound and then dribble down the court breaking the press?

Isn't that an amazing thing. An offensive rebound leading a fast break. Me thinks something smells like fish....rotten fish.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

How do you get an offensive rebound and then dribble down the court breaking the press?

 

[C'ville Boiler]

How do you get an offensive rebound and then dribble down the court breaking the press?

Lol. Good catch. A one man fast break to the other team's hoop.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

How do you get an offensive rebound and then dribble down the court breaking the press?

Maybe “the press” was her teammates trying to keep her from scoring a basket for the other team?

 

[burnacct20]

Maybe “the press” was her teammates trying to keep her from scoring a basket for the other team?

Didn’t she say she was coaching the game as well? Also, I may be an IU fan but I root for Easterns because of tweed on here. He does seem to be a good kid and he plays very hard, I hope he makes it to the NBA one day. He definitely needs to improve his shooting but other big guards have made it without a J. Our season is basically over as injuries and lack of team cohesion killed us. Oh well, once again maybe next year!

Formerly known as cropper

 

[atmafola]

They say all records are meant to be broken. Similarly all weird threads on this board are meant to be outdone eventually. This is currently the new record. For a moment I thought I was reading an old weird Dear Abby post. Let’s see - don’t listen to naysayers but I love your kid and btw he can’t shoot and I yell at him. Interesting. Albeit not recently, and not by name, TReed has freely criticized Matt Painter on here for not using her son effectively. But everybody is after all entitled to freely express their own opinions, aren’t they?

you are silly. anyone expecting a mom to be totally objective or tolerate fair and especially unfair criticisms of her kid, is stupid and no being very objective himself. See Treed for who she is, a passionate mom of a wholesome Purdue basketball player, who is a bball fan herself. You have to see and understand her posts from that perspective. You should expect her to be vigilant in defending her son.

 

[Bay Area Boiler]

you are silly. anyone expecting a mom to be totally objective or tolerate fair and especially unfair criticisms of her kid, is stupid and no being very objective himself. See Treed for who she is, a passionate mom of a wholesome Purdue basketball player, who is a bball fan herself. You have to see and understand her posts from that perspective. You should expect her to be vigilant in defending her son.

Well duh, it's natural for a parent to react that way. But this setting is different. This is an anonymous message board with varying degrees of opinions that most people can look at objectively even if it is constructive criticism and that's because most poster on here don't have a dog in the fight other than a universal likeness of Purdue athletics. But a mother or father is going to have an inherent bias and naturally so. That's why I don't think message boards are a good place for family members. There is going to be constructive criticism.

 

[Treed1967]

Well duh, it's natural for a parent to react that way. But this setting is different. This is an anonymous message board with varying degrees of opinions that most people can look at objectively even if it is constructive criticism and that's because most poster on here don't have a dog in the fight other than a universal likeness of Purdue athletics. But a mother or father is going to have an inherent bias and naturally so. That's why I don't think message boards are a good place for family members. There is going to be constructive criticism.

Your post is totally on point and more correct I made a choice to be on this site knowing some back lash I would get being on here and I’ve accepted what comes with it. I’m not gonna cry over spilled milk but as a single mother of a kid on a high major Div 1 team I get what many of u saying This not a place for a parent knowing what will be said and it’s my choice I made and I’m a grown grown women I can handle what comes with it. My point was simple no one person is to blame for that loss him not shooting played no part in that loss. Can’t win them all they all played to win but came up short now u move on to the next one and get ready for penn st. Boy if only some of you will walk in these athletes shoes you would see what they go through daily and as a parent to have to go through it with them is move than many of you could handle.

 

[SunnyFL24]

I still can't believe people are still on this thread.................. this rates as one of the stupidest one's yet........especially from a first time poster.....ya right...

 

[James J Chitwood]

Your post is totally on point and more correct I made a choice to be on this site knowing some back lash I would get being on here and I’ve accepted what comes with it. I’m not gonna cry over spilled milk but as a single mother of a kid on a high major Div 1 team I get what many of u saying This not a place for a parent knowing what will be said and it’s my choice I made and I’m a grown grown women I can handle what comes with it. My point was simple no one person is to blame for that loss him not shooting played no part in that loss. Can’t win them all they all played to win but came up short now u move on to the next one and get ready for penn st. Boy if only some of you will walk in these athletes shoes you would see what they go through daily and as a parent to have to go through it with them is move than many of you could handle.

There’s not much gained by you defending your son on here. I’ve been the player whose Dad complained. I’ve been the Dad who was frustrated about how my son was utilized. And I’ve been the coach who had 8 future LeBrons/KDs/D Roses on my team. Thankfully, my perspective as a player and coach made me view my role differently when my son played. Just enjoy it, and ignore the rest.

 

[beenther1s]

Your post is totally on point and more correct I made a choice to be on this site knowing some back lash I would get being on here and I’ve accepted what comes with it. I’m not gonna cry over spilled milk but as a single mother of a kid on a high major Div 1 team I get what many of u saying This not a place for a parent knowing what will be said and it’s my choice I made and I’m a grown grown women I can handle what comes with it. My point was simple no one person is to blame for that loss him not shooting played no part in that loss. Can’t win them all they all played to win but came up short now u move on to the next one and get ready for penn st. Boy if only some of you will walk in these athletes shoes you would see what they go through daily and as a parent to have to go through it with them is move than many of you could handle.

I just wanted to say personally, I love your prospective on this board. I saw you from a distance at Charleston, and could feel the love you have for him and it's all good!!

If any of you have ever seen her at a game, she is all giddy and that, she will bring a smile to anyone's face.

 

[Treed1967]

My wife and I agree on this: if some mutant gene made it so men had to endure 40 weeks of pregnancy and birth, we’d be extinct in a few generations.

There’s not much gained by you defending your son on here. I’ve been the player whose Dad complained. I’ve been the Dad who was frustrated about how my son was utilized. And I’ve been the coach who had 8 future LeBrons/KDs/D Roses on my team. Thankfully, my perspective as a player and coach made me view my role differently when my son played. Just enjoy it, and ignore the rest.

My wife and I agree on this: if some mutant gene made it so men had to endure 40 weeks of pregnancy and birth, we’d be extinct in a few generations.

There’s not much gained by you defending your son on here. I’ve been the player whose Dad complained. I’ve been the Dad who was frustrated about how my son was utilized. And I’ve been the coach who had 8 future LeBrons/KDs/D Roses on my team. Thankfully, my perspective as a player and coach made me view my role differently when my son played. Just enjoy it, and ignore the rest.

You are absolutely correct it’s a battle I won’t win no matter what I say so imma move on.

 

[Treed1967]

I just wanted to say personally, I love your prospective on this board. I saw you from a distance at Charleston, and could feel the love you have for him and it's all good!!

If any of you have ever seen her at a game, she is all giddy and that, she will bring a smile to anyone's face.

Don’t ever hesitate to come over and say hello I don’t bite I’m open to conversation. Some have before and truly it’s a pleasure talking to the fans and some on this site. I cut my hair recently so no hats anymore just a nice low cut hair style literally similar to my son hairstyle but mines more shapely than my son style LOL. My son is my blessing from GOD it’s me and him taking on the world and as his mother like most mothers we protect our cub and I’m no different.

 

[beenther1s]

Don’t ever hesitate to come over and say hello I don’t bite I’m open to conversation. Some have before and truly it’s a pleasure talking to the fans and some on this site. I cut my hair recently so no hats anymore just a nice low cut hair style literally similar to my son hairstyle but mines more shapely than my son style LOL. My son is my blessing from GOD it’s me and him taking on the world and as his mother like most mothers we protect our cub and I’m no different.

Sweet!! I was tempted to but you looked so involved

 

[bashfan]

Mark Herrmann at the Michigan game ?

Jeff George

 

[C'ville Boiler]

Jeff George

Since Jeff George was brought up, any idea if we are recruiting his son? I saw recently he had visited Georgia

 

[Bob Sienicki]

Players, coaches, and parents. All are critical jobs in the development of kids, players, and teams.

The difference between all of them and fans is that the first three jobs are extremely difficult and often thankless. However, being a fan is only as difficult as we make it - the more importance we place on the teams we root for, the harder it appears when those teams lose. Yet unlike the first three jobs, fans have no control over the teams and players for whom we root.

None.

And so these boards are where the fans often have the only opportunity to vent, commiserate, and rejoice with one another. I understand when parents come on here and are dismayed at the frustration and criticism of their kids, and the teams and coaches for whom they play. But these boards are here for a very valid reason, and that is for us fans to express our feelings - both good and bad - in order to share our experiences with other fans. Having been a coach and parent of kids who played sports (as well as succeeded in other "high profile activities"), I understand the natural defensive nature that parents have in trying to protect their kids. Believe me, I have been there.

But the point is that you cannot control anyone's thoughts and opinions on these boards - you can only contribute to the discussion. And if it is too troublesome to read negative opinions of others directed toward your kids or their teammates, then I respectfully offer that this is not the place to be. After all, there is a reason most (if not all) coaches refuse to read these boards, and warn their players to do the same. So please understand that these boards are not here only to offer encouragement to the players, coaches, and families. These boards are here for one reason, and one reason only - so the fans can express themselves freely, regardless of whether anyone agrees with the opinions so posted.

I think parents (and coaches!) are wonderful role models for your very talented kids. It is a blessing for your kids to have parents who care and take such an active role in supporting and guiding them. The kids are lucky to have you! Truly, they are...

But keep in mind, the path into a den of iniquity is always a voluntary path, if you know what I mean.

 

[Purdue0034]

Players, coaches, and parents. All are critical jobs in the development of kids, players, and teams.

The difference between all of them and fans is that the first three jobs are extremely difficult and often thankless. However, being a fan is only as difficult as we make it - the more importance we place on the teams we root for, the harder it appears when those teams lose. Yet unlike the first three jobs, fans have no control over the teams and players for whom we root.

None.

And so these boards are where the fans often have the only opportunity to vent, commiserate, and rejoice with one another. I understand when parents come on here and are dismayed at the frustration and criticism of their kids, and the teams and coaches for whom they play. But these boards are here for a very valid reason, and that is for us fans to express our feelings - both good and bad - in order to share our experiences with other fans. Having been a coach and parent of kids who played sports (as well as succeeded in other "high profile activities"), I understand the natural defensive nature that parents have in trying to protect their kids. Believe me, I have been there.

But the point is that you cannot control anyone's thoughts and opinions on these boards - you can only contribute to the discussion. And if it is too troublesome to read negative opinions of others directed toward your kids or their teammates, then I respectfully offer that this is not the place to be. After all, there is a reason most (if not all) coaches refuse to read these boards, and warn their players to do the same. So please understand that these boards are not here only to offer encouragement to the players, coaches, and families. These boards are here for one reason, and one reason only - so the fans can express themselves freely, regardless of whether anyone agrees with the opinions so posted.

I think parents (and coaches!) are wonderful role models for your very talented kids. It is a blessing for your kids to have parents who care and take such an active role in supporting and guiding them. The kids are lucky to have you! Truly, they are...

But keep in mind, the path into a den of iniquity is always a voluntary path, if you know what I mean.

Your last sentence was classic and actually good advice. I would say however that fans actually do have some control over teams in a mostly indirect way. Hypothetically, if the fan base is extremely displeased, eventually the "noise" is going to be heard by the AD and other higher ups and could then lead to a change when a change is likely warranted. Also if we have good ideas to share with Ms. Reed, it might somehow perhaps get back to the team. I mean you never know. I also do not underestimate the effect of a loyal and rabid fan base helping to bring out the best in the team. So in a subtle way, I do think the fans have some control and some influence. Well anyway, enough of that let's go beat Penn State! Boiler Up!

 

[Purdue85]

I don't criticize anyone that can do there thing, better then me. I have no idea why people here think they have the right to criticize anyone that could run circles around them at what they do. That includes coaching, playing or telling a person how to raise their child.

have to agree with an earlier poster, this entire thread is bizarre.

That said, this post has me scratching my head. If we applied this rule, many of history's best coaches, teachers, mentors, etc., would have never had any influence. They'd have gone to their grave without having made this world a better place.

Case in point: Matt Painter has coach dozens of young men who could play the game of basketball a helluva lot better than he ever could or did.

Numerous youth, HS, college and professional coaches (who had limited talent) have taken players and made them much, much better.

And, not just in the world of sports. There are a LOT of people who "get it", but are unable to execute as well as those they teach/mentor. Seen it all my adult life.

We can all learn from each other.

 

[Purdue85]

Players, coaches, and parents. All are critical jobs in the development of kids, players, and teams.

The difference between all of them and fans is that the first three jobs are extremely difficult and often thankless. However, being a fan is only as difficult as we make it - the more importance we place on the teams we root for, the harder it appears when those teams lose. Yet unlike the first three jobs, fans have no control over the teams and players for whom we root.

None.

And so these boards are where the fans often have the only opportunity to vent, commiserate, and rejoice with one another. I understand when parents come on here and are dismayed at the frustration and criticism of their kids, and the teams and coaches for whom they play. But these boards are here for a very valid reason, and that is for us fans to express our feelings - both good and bad - in order to share our experiences with other fans. Having been a coach and parent of kids who played sports (as well as succeeded in other "high profile activities"), I understand the natural defensive nature that parents have in trying to protect their kids. Believe me, I have been there.

But the point is that you cannot control anyone's thoughts and opinions on these boards - you can only contribute to the discussion. And if it is too troublesome to read negative opinions of others directed toward your kids or their teammates, then I respectfully offer that this is not the place to be. After all, there is a reason most (if not all) coaches refuse to read these boards, and warn their players to do the same. So please understand that these boards are not here only to offer encouragement to the players, coaches, and families. These boards are here for one reason, and one reason only - so the fans can express themselves freely, regardless of whether anyone agrees with the opinions so posted.

I think parents (and coaches!) are wonderful role models for your very talented kids. It is a blessing for your kids to have parents who care and take such an active role in supporting and guiding them. The kids are lucky to have you! Truly, they are...

But keep in mind, the path into a den of iniquity is always a voluntary path, if you know what I mean.

Bob, I should have read your post before offering my comments. You, as usual, said it much better.

 

[beenther1s]

have to agree with an earlier poster, this entire thread is bizarre.

That said, this post has me scratching my head. If we applied this rule, many of history's best coaches, teachers, mentors, etc., would have never had any influence. They'd have gone to their grave without having made this world a better place.

Case in point: Matt Painter has coach dozens of young men who could play the game of basketball a helluva lot better than he ever could or did.

Numerous youth, HS, college and professional coaches (who had limited talent) have taken players and made them much, much better.

And, not just in the world of sports. There are a LOT of people who "get it", but are unable to execute as well as those they teach/mentor. Seen it all my adult life.

We can all learn from each other.

Did you see the part where I said "I" ? I am just a person on a blog. It is not my job to coach, or 2nd guess how players should play.

No that does not include stating facts, or putting out data.

Some here act like then could play better or coach better.

 

[Purdue85]

Did you see the part where I said "I" ? I am just a person on a blog. It is not my job to coach, or 2nd guess how players should play.

No that does not include stating facts, or putting out data.

Some here act like then could play better or coach better.

Certainly!

That doesn't change the point of my post.

 

[GGT]

"I remember one game my daughter had an amazing offensive rebound, brought the ball up court through a full press against older and bigger boys, faked a shot, made an amazing pass to a player who was totally out of position and unguarded and who do you think the crowd cheered for...???"

Haha.. Holding onto those 1st-4th grade memories. May I suggest therapy.

May I suggest she seems to be just fine, but you may want to take your own advice.

 

[mathboy]

Time for this thread to die a natural death.