To Nojel's Mom....and to the posters that dare to blame anyone player!!

[lj85]

I have been reading this board for a long time and I have never bothered to register or post. I have played, coached and been the mother of players for more years then I like to admit. I couldn't sleep last night because of a post.
Let me start by saying I love watching your son develop and play. Defense always was the key to playing if you were on my team-the most important key player to me was my defensive specialist. The players that score get all the glory and folks that don't know the game think they are always the best players. I remember one game my daughter had an amazing offensive rebound, brought the ball up court through a full press against older and bigger boys, faked a shot, made an amazing pass to a player who was totally out of position and unguarded and who do you think the crowd cheered for...???
These people that post are clearly not Mom's. I am and I tell if if someone criticizes my baby I will jump the bleachers and have a "chat" with them. Nojel is such a fun player to watch. He really has no idea how good he can be. What I like most about him is the way he conducts himself on the court. That will take him so far in life. When he gets his jump shot he will be a force. He needs to be the general next year. He needs to find a little cocky (which I almost never say).
Stop letting some of these posters get to you. You have the best job in the world. You get to love your son through the success and the failures of life. He has this basketball thing under control. He is the player that is growing the most.
I hate the threads that blame one player! Basketball is a TEAM sport. You win together and you lose together!! We forget that those are babies out there! Just 18-22 year old kids!! They have so many pressures. The PU fans need to stand behind these boys. I am so tired of everyone saying that our boys are not athletic! These kids are some of the best players in the country AND they are a TEAM. Not one of them is perfect or plays the perfect game. That is the goal they will spend a career working for. Love then-Love Purdue-Go Boilers (and Nojel's Mom- rise above the negative posters-those of us who know basketball see what he contributes every night (but I still yell at him when he misses a shot ).

 

[Bay Area Boiler]

I am and I tell if if someone criticizes my baby I will jump the bleachers and have a "chat" with them.

My simple advice: an anonymous message board isn't the place for you.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

My simple advice: an anonymous message board isn't the place for you.

Just as a Purdue board isn’t the place for you.

 

[hoosierdog1]

I have been reading this board for a long time and I have never bothered to register or post. I have played, coached and been the mother of players for more years then I like to admit. I couldn't sleep last night because of a post.
Let me start by saying I love watching your son develop and play. Defense always was the key to playing if you were on my team-the most important key player to me was my defensive specialist. The players that score get all the glory and folks that don't know the game think they are always the best players. I remember one game my daughter had an amazing offensive rebound, brought the ball up court through a full press against older and bigger boys, faked a shot, made an amazing pass to a player who was totally out of position and unguarded and who do you think the crowd cheered for...???
These people that post are clearly not Mom's. I am and I tell if if someone criticizes my baby I will jump the bleachers and have a "chat" with them. Nojel is such a fun player to watch. He really has no idea how good he can be. What I like most about him is the way he conducts himself on the court. That will take him so far in life. When he gets his jump shot he will be a force. He needs to be the general next year. He needs to find a little cocky (which I almost never say).
Stop letting some of these posters get to you. You have the best job in the world. You get to love your son through the success and the failures of life. He has this basketball thing under control. He is the player that is growing the most.
I hate the threads that blame one player! Basketball is a TEAM sport. You win together and you lose together!! We forget that those are babies out there! Just 18-22 year old kids!! They have so many pressures. The PU fans need to stand behind these boys. I am so tired of everyone saying that our boys are not athletic! These kids are some of the best players in the country AND they are a TEAM. Not one of them is perfect or plays the perfect game. That is the goal they will spend a career working for. Love then-Love Purdue-Go Boilers (and Nojel's Mom- rise above the negative posters-those of us who know basketball see what he contributes every night (but I still yell at him when he misses a shot ).

So if someone criticizes your baby you would jump bleachers and have a chat with them but you still yell at Nojel when he misses a shot.Got it,I understand now! SMH!

 

[tjreese]

I have been reading this board for a long time and I have never bothered to register or post. I have played, coached and been the mother of players for more years then I like to admit. I couldn't sleep last night because of a post.
Let me start by saying I love watching your son develop and play. Defense always was the key to playing if you were on my team-the most important key player to me was my defensive specialist. The players that score get all the glory and folks that don't know the game think they are always the best players. I remember one game my daughter had an amazing offensive rebound, brought the ball up court through a full press against older and bigger boys, faked a shot, made an amazing pass to a player who was totally out of position and unguarded and who do you think the crowd cheered for...???
These people that post are clearly not Mom's. I am and I tell if if someone criticizes my baby I will jump the bleachers and have a "chat" with them. Nojel is such a fun player to watch. He really has no idea how good he can be. What I like most about him is the way he conducts himself on the court. That will take him so far in life. When he gets his jump shot he will be a force. He needs to be the general next year. He needs to find a little cocky (which I almost never say).
Stop letting some of these posters get to you. You have the best job in the world. You get to love your son through the success and the failures of life. He has this basketball thing under control. He is the player that is growing the most.
I hate the threads that blame one player! Basketball is a TEAM sport. You win together and you lose together!! We forget that those are babies out there! Just 18-22 year old kids!! They have so many pressures. The PU fans need to stand behind these boys. I am so tired of everyone saying that our boys are not athletic! These kids are some of the best players in the country AND they are a TEAM. Not one of them is perfect or plays the perfect game. That is the goal they will spend a career working for. Love then-Love Purdue-Go Boilers (and Nojel's Mom- rise above the negative posters-those of us who know basketball see what he contributes every night (but I still yell at him when he misses a shot ).

Not to disagree with the team or individual player comments, but
a bit of a surprise you are not more immune from fan comments.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Not to disagree with the team or individual player comments, but
a bit of a surprise you are not more immune from fan comments.

Kind of reminds me of a PU QB who got hurt on the field ... from Carmel as I recall ...

 

[Wolegib]

Being in the military, I have a different definition of babies. When a boy or girl turns 18, he/she is no longer a baby or a kid anymore. He/she could be sent tommorow to Afghanistan or Iraq or Syria ad ordered to shoot to kill somebody. Your other members and country are depending on you to be an adult. You would be surprised at what the US military expects from an 18 year old. the same can be said for policemen and firemen and every first responder. Should we coddle/spoil our athletes like they are our babies when other 18 year olds are asked to be and act as adults?

they are also supposed to also make mature individual decisions when voting, rather than vote for the person their parent tells them to. .


the facts/reality are that sports journalists criticize those same players daily during their broadcasts, scouting reports and pre-game and post game analysis. if you doubt me, just go to yesterday's ESPN or Yahoo game comments. In some cases, the comments made by national sports journalists/critics are harsher than those printed on this board.

I will agree it's not polite to single out one player or one person on an internet forum. But this forum is no better or worse than facebook.

 

[Wolegib]

Kind of reminds me of a PU QB who got hurt on the field ... from Carmel as I recall ...

Mark Herrmann at the Michigan game ?

 

[Do Dah Day]

Mark Herrmann at the Michigan game ?

nope - think of Mom rushing out of the stands

 

[Wolegib]

nope - think of Mom rushing out of the stands

I didn't realize they were both from the same school. a total difference in personalities. Mark was a nice guy.

 

[PaBoiler78]

nope - think of Mom rushing out of the stands

Jeff George?

 

[TwinDegrees2]

I have been reading this board for a long time and I have never bothered to register or post. I have played, coached and been the mother of players for more years then I like to admit. I couldn't sleep last night because of a post.
Let me start by saying I love watching your son develop and play. Defense always was the key to playing if you were on my team-the most important key player to me was my defensive specialist. The players that score get all the glory and folks that don't know the game think they are always the best players. I remember one game my daughter had an amazing offensive rebound, brought the ball up court through a full press against older and bigger boys, faked a shot, made an amazing pass to a player who was totally out of position and unguarded and who do you think the crowd cheered for...???
These people that post are clearly not Mom's. I am and I tell if if someone criticizes mybaby I will jump the bleachers and have a "chat" with them. Nojel is such a fun player to watch. He really has no idea how good he can be. What I like most about him is the way he conducts himself on the court. That will take him so far in life. When he gets his jump shot he will be a force. He needs to be the general next year. He needs to find a little cocky (which I almost never say).
Stop letting some of these posters get to you. You have the best job in the world. You get to love your son through the success and the failures of life. He has this basketball thing under control. He is the player that is growing the most.
I hate the threads that blame one player! Basketball is a TEAM sport. You win together and you lose together!! We forget that those are babies out there! Just 18-22 year old kids!! They have so many pressures. The PU fans need to stand behind these boys. I am so tired of everyone saying that our boys are not athletic! These kids are some of the best players in the country AND they are a TEAM. Not one of them is perfect or plays the perfect game. That is the goal they will spend a career working for. Love then-Love Purdue-Go Boilers (and Nojel's Mom- rise above the negative posters-those of us who know basketball see what he contributes every night (but I still yell at him when he misses a shot ).

My guess....you may have coached a youth league. And if you were to "jump the bleachers to have a chat", you might very well be embarrassed as you "crawled back over". As a head coach, I would have personally had a "chat" with you because that is one of the major things wrong with sports (and life) today and was included in my pre-season parents meeting.

As one who has truly coached, who played, who has helped multiple kids get scholarships, and who has two sons and a grandson who were recruited (NAIA to D1), I wore my big boy pants and let people talk. If my sons screwed up...I was the first one to talk to, and about what they did wrong.

As I've told Treed, I love to watch her son play defense because it's what wins games and it's the best part of his which helps the team win. I love it when he scores as that's a bonus, but if he never scores a point and stops the opposing teams best player, he's done his job.

She knows that she draws attention every time she posts when he's criticized or spoken about in what she considers a negative tone. I'll guarantee you that any Purdue fan wants him to do well, as with the rest of the team, but you don't see Carson's, Cline's, Haarm's, or Grady's mama's on here after their son is lambasted...which everyone of them has been. My word, Grady was cancer, heart disease, and Pee Wee Herman rolled into one by many who now have come around to see what he really does.

As for your statement that "He's the player that's growing the most", that's simply wrong in every way. What about Haarms, Wheeler, Williams, Hunter, Sasha....and the others including Carson. They're not growing?

Personally, I hope Carson and Nojel both return next year. And no....they're not "Just babies out there." They're young men, learning life's lessons, getting a free education, that will do one of two things...hopefully give them a free education they can use forever, and maybe give them a shot at making a living playing a game.

 

[Wolegib]

as for last night's posts, I believe if you read all the posts, you would see more than one player was criticized and singled out for the loss. if you're going to come to the defense of one player, and say it's not his fault, you should also come to the defense of every other player who was criticized. and unfortunately, that's what creates a double edged issue here. When somebody calls out haarms, or any other player, nobody comes here and cries stop, that's my son you're criticizing. and the defensive posts telling others to stop their name calling and criticism create their own special threads / drama.

You will see posts claiming Painter was out coached. Edwards was selfish and took too many shots and was a homer. . haarms was afraid of Fernandez. Tre fouls too much. Wheeler can't make a shot. Cline was not aggressive enough. Grady was back to being the unathletic slow guy people hate. Evan was ineffective. Hunter and Sasha were not effective off the bench. Nojel didn't score enough because he didn't shoot enough. the refs were also criticized.

and throw in about 1,000 personal attacks on fellow Purdue posters and the Purdue Glee Club. That's right! Let's blame it all on the Purdue Glee Club, or Straight no Chaiser, or SIU track. .

the only two players who didn't receive some sort of personal attack were King and Luce. So I blame them for the loss. if they had played, we would have won.

 

[BNIBoiler]

nope - think of Mom rushing out of the stands

Jeff George = Warren Central

 

[Treed1967]

I have been reading this board for a long time and I have never bothered to register or post. I have played, coached and been the mother of players for more years then I like to admit. I couldn't sleep last night because of a post.
Let me start by saying I love watching your son develop and play. Defense always was the key to playing if you were on my team-the most important key player to me was my defensive specialist. The players that score get all the glory and folks that don't know the game think they are always the best players. I remember one game my daughter had an amazing offensive rebound, brought the ball up court through a full press against older and bigger boys, faked a shot, made an amazing pass to a player who was totally out of position and unguarded and who do you think the crowd cheered for...???
These people that post are clearly not Mom's. I am and I tell if if someone criticizes my baby I will jump the bleachers and have a "chat" with them. Nojel is such a fun player to watch. He really has no idea how good he can be. What I like most about him is the way he conducts himself on the court. That will take him so far in life. When he gets his jump shot he will be a force. He needs to be the general next year. He needs to find a little cocky (which I almost never say).
Stop letting some of these posters get to you. You have the best job in the world. You get to love your son through the success and the failures of life. He has this basketball thing under control. He is the player that is growing the most.
I hate the threads that blame one player! Basketball is a TEAM sport. You win together and you lose together!! We forget that those are babies out there! Just 18-22 year old kids!! They have so many pressures. The PU fans need to stand behind these boys. I am so tired of everyone saying that our boys are not athletic! These kids are some of the best players in the country AND they are a TEAM. Not one of them is perfect or plays the perfect game. That is the goal they will spend a career working for. Love then-Love Purdue-Go Boilers (and Nojel's Mom- rise above the negative posters-those of us who know basketball see what he contributes every night (but I still yell at him when he misses a shot ).

I read entire message and I hear you loud and clear. That game was a team loss no one individual a team loss move on to next as my son would say.

 

[tjreese]

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I read entire message and I hear you loud and clear. That game was a team loss no one individual a team loss move on to next as my son would say.

Still playing for a championship that PURDUE CONTROLS

 

[Do Dah Day]

Jeff George = Warren Central

close enough for an old codger

 

[Bay Area Boiler]

close enough for an old codger

Might still be the most talented high school player from Indiana. What a waste he was in the pros.

 

[topurdue4]

"I remember one game my daughter had an amazing offensive rebound, brought the ball up court through a full press against older and bigger boys, faked a shot, made an amazing pass to a player who was totally out of position and unguarded and who do you think the crowd cheered for...???"

Haha.. Holding onto those 1st-4th grade memories. May I suggest therapy.

 

[BoilerGal74]

Being in the military, I have a different definition of babies. When a boy or girl turns 18, he/she is no longer a baby or a kid anymore. He/she could be sent tommorow to Afghanistan or Iraq or Syria ad ordered to shoot to kill somebody. Your other members and country are depending on you to be an adult. You would be surprised at what the US military expects from an 18 year old. the same can be said for policemen and firemen and every first responder. Should we coddle/spoil our athletes like they are our babies when other 18 year olds are asked to be and act as adults?

they are also supposed to also make mature individual decisions when voting, rather than vote for the person their parent tells them to. .


the facts/reality are that sports journalists criticize those same players daily during their broadcasts, scouting reports and pre-game and post game analysis. if you doubt me, just go to yesterday's ESPN or Yahoo game comments. In some cases, the comments made by national sports journalists/critics are harsher than those printed on this board.

I will agree it's not polite to single out one player or one person on an internet forum. But this forum is no better or worse than facebook.

Actually Wol, being a retired Navy Officer I disagree. Most of those 18 year Olds came in pretty much as kids. Boot Camp began the maturing and they were men and women shortly after their first deployment began. Totally night and day difference from first day of Boot Camp.

 

[hoosierdog1]

Jeff George?

Bingo!

 

[SunnyFL24]

This thread is so god awfull stupid.........enough of the comments to give any substance to this...........lets move on to another thread already...........

 

[lkfletcher14]

This thread is so god awfull stupid.........enough of the comments to give any substance to this...........lets move on to another thread already...........

I agree. What's with these helicopter moms?

 

[Wolegib]

Actually Wol, being a retired Navy Officer I disagree. Most of those 18 year Olds came in pretty much as kids. Boot Camp began the maturing and they were men and women shortly after their first deployment began. Totally night and day difference from first day of Boot Camp.

they may have gone to boot camp at age 18, right out of high school, but they were still 18 when they came to me in the field and their first assignment after boot camp. and they were all younger than 21. That is why I will always disagree with people who claim college kids 18-21 are still "babies" and "kids" and we should protect them from criticism. . With certain recruiting incentives, some of those "babies" are already sergeants and NCO's by the time they are 21. By the time they become 21, they are leaders!

 

[BoilerGal74]

they may have gone to boot camp at age 18, right out of high school, but they were still 18 when they came to me in the field and their first assignment after boot camp. and they were all younger than 21. That is why I will always disagree with people who claim college kids 18-21 are still "babies" and "kids" and we should protect them from criticism. . With certain recruiting incentives, some of those "babies" are already sergeants and NCO's by the time they are 21. By the time they become 21, they are leaders!

Did you read what I wrote???? At all??? I said they were kids when they went in....and the experiences they had is what turned them into men and women. It’s not like there’s a magic button parents push when a child turns 18 that prepares them for adulthood. We should all understand that just by reading each other’s posts on a basketball forum. Trust me-an 18 year old on the flight deck of an air craft carrier during launching is not the same as an 18 year old playing basketball their first year in college. Wol, if you claim any different you are just being obtuse for arguments sake and you know it. Life is about experiences...don’t try comparing apples and hand grenades.

 

[lj85]

My guess....you may have coached a youth league. And if you were to "jump the bleachers to have a chat", you might very well be embarrassed as you "crawled back over". As a head coach, I would have personally had a "chat" with you because that is one of the major things wrong with sports (and life) today and was included in my pre-season parents meeting.

As one who has truly coached, who played, who has helped multiple kids get scholarships, and who has two sons and a grandson who were recruited (NAIA to D1), I wore my big boy pants and let people talk. If my sons screwed up...I was the first one to talk to, and about what they did wrong.

As I've told Treed, I love to watch her son play defense because it's what wins games and it's the best part of his which helps the team win. I love it when he scores as that's a bonus, but if he never scores a point and stops the opposing teams best player, he's done his job.

She knows that she draws attention every time she posts when he's criticized or spoken about in what she considers a negative tone. I'll guarantee you that any Purdue fan wants him to do well, as with the rest of the team, but you don't see Carson's, Cline's, Haarm's, or Grady's mama's on here after their son is lambasted...which everyone of them has been. My word, Grady was cancer, heart disease, and Pee Wee Herman rolled into one by many who now have come around to see what he really does.

As for your statement that "He's the player that's growing the most", that's simply wrong in every way. What about Haarms, Wheeler, Williams, Hunter, Sasha....and the others including Carson. They're not growing?

Personally, I hope Carson and Nojel both return next year. And no....they're not "Just babies out there." They're young men, learning life's lessons, getting a free education, that will do one of two things...hopefully give them a free education they can use forever, and maybe give them a shot at making a living playing a game.

Those boys are not getting a free education-they are working for it. You are right - I only coached High School and DII (and yes it was women's basketball). I was just trying to support another Mom with all of the idiotic comments against Nojel. Sorry my 4 kids did not pursue athletics at the next level. They went with academic offers to Georgia Tech and M.I.T. Painter is an amazing coach and all those boys have grown. I just see all the little things the Nojel does. I love a defensive minded player.

 

[New40ish]

They say all records are meant to be broken. Similarly all weird threads on this board are meant to be outdone eventually. This is currently the new record. For a moment I thought I was reading an old weird Dear Abby post. Let’s see - don’t listen to naysayers but I love your kid and btw he can’t shoot and I yell at him. Interesting. Albeit not recently, and not by name, TReed has freely criticized Matt Painter on here for not using her son effectively. But everybody is after all entitled to freely express their own opinions, aren’t they?

 

[Wolegib]

Did you read what I wrote???? At all??? I said they were kids when they went in....and the experiences they had is what turned them into men and women. It’s not like there’s a magic button parents push when a child turns 18 that prepares them for adulthood. We should all understand that just by reading each other’s posts on a basketball forum. Trust me-an 18 year old on the flight deck of an air craft carrier during launching is not the same as an 18 year old playing basketball their first year in college. Wol, if you claim any different you are just being obtuse for arguments sake and you know it. Life is about experiences...don’t try comparing apples and hand grenades.

I did !!! and I respectfully disagree with it.

My post was in reply to yours with respect to the original post that said college kids ages 18-21 are still babies and kids. My reply is if these kids can go to combat at age 18, they sure are no longer "babies" . I don't know what 18 year olds did in the Navy. But in the Air Force, those 18 year olds were responsible for sending messages directing air strikes, controlling aircraft, launching assignation attacks, and going to war. Those are not actions or decisions "kids" make. I had 60-120 of those 18-21 year olds under my immediate supervision.

they might have been kids when they entered basic. but they didn't stay at basic for more than 16 weeks, and the majority of them were still 18 when they arrived at their first duty station and said, yes sir.

my point is clear. Just because somebody is an athlete at age 18-21, doesn't mean we should still treat them as just kids. they're not! and if their counterparts in the military are grown up before they turn 21, it's time we treat athletes the same way. it's time to STOP protecting athletes as if they are still our little babies who need our protection. They don't. that's why I get tired of people coming her and telling me we shouldn't call out our athletes, because they are still just little kids not used to being criticized. I'm sorry for those people who feel we should be nice and treat these athletes as if they were our children and not berate them. but the reality is, if they were in any other profession, they'd be treated as adults and on their own.

 

[BoilerGal74]

Wol....They also didn’t direct air strikes without additional schooling out of boot camp either. But that’s the very point.... They were treated and experienced different things than a freshman in college. IT IS NOT AUTOMATIC.
And I think the point being made in the OP was that a Mother will always consider her children her “babies” no matter what age. But I suppose you have had a completely different experience as a mother that you can share with us.....

 

[SIBoiler2]

Here's my take on the original subject. I am a fan of Nojel. I see tremendous upside to his game and he is much better today than day one as a freshman. Shows he's working and maturing. I like TReed but since she willingly chooses to be on this board I see no need for the constant apologies to her. Like every other fan board there are people on here with few filters and little respect for others. She can be assured I would never attack her son or any other player but I won't apologize for the idiocy and rudeness of those that I have no control over.

 

[Wolegib]

Wol....They also didn’t direct air strikes without additional schooling out of boot camp either. But that’s the very point.... They were treated and experienced different things than a freshman in college. IT IS NOT AUTOMATIC.
And I think the point being made in the OP was that a Mother will always consider her children her “babies” no matter what age. But I suppose you have had a completely different experience as a mother that you can share with us.....

Actually I do have a totally different experience as a mother. I'm positive you can relate! When I entered the Air Force was the first year that women graduated from the Air Force Academy and all the sexual barriers to every field in the Air Force were opened. And we were trained that all women should be treated as the same and required to do the same. And that came from those female academy graduates! They wanted no special treatment. They didn't want to be known or called as moms or dads . We were all just officers . I'm kind of a gender neutral type of person. Women in the Air Force wanted to be treated as equals and I agree with them .

When our first child was adopted at age 40, I was the one who quit my job to stay home while Col Wolegib continued her Air Force career. I'm the one who drove the soccer van. I'm the one who volunteered at school. I'm the Cub Scout leader. I went to the AAU games. I cooked the food and took my child to the doctor and made sure he got unto the school bus and read books to him before going to bed.

So when it comes to being a mom, I could relate a lot of stories that I know nobody wants to hear. I'm of the opinion that dads can be just as sensitive and caring and proud of their children as moms are. Every time you cut my son's track career down, I also get defensive. I kind of resent the fact that you are alluding that only moms care!

 

[Wolegib]

Three analogies.

1. If a person is 18-21 and working at McDonalds or Wal Mart as a cashier and they make a mistake, I have no doubt you would single out that person and talk about them on social media and their parents would never come to their defense publically.

2. If a Purdue student was in the band or other musical group or theater and hit the wrong word or sang the wrong note or forgot their words or dropped a baton, I have no doubt you would laugh, and point them out and ridicule their mistake. And their parents would not come to defend them.

3. When joining the military a person goes to boot camp. And they learn. And after they leave boot camp they are supposed to be an adult and ready. Some don't make it through boot camp and are released. Isn't that the exact same thing an athlete goes through? After being recruited, doesn't an athlete also go through a training camp before they become part of the team? And isn't that training camp about the same length of time as a military boot camp? If a boy can be transformed by boot camp into a man, shouldn't we expect an athlete to do the same after training camp? He may be a child when he arrives to Purdue. But by the time the season starts, he should have already completed his training and be ready to go! And when we talk about a player's game performance, we're talking about somebody who has already completed their basic training. Athletes go through the same kind of training military recruits go through. Shouldn't they be just as ready to perform their job? And if we don't have parents coddling their 18-21 year old military children, then why do so many parents feel the need to protect and defend and coddle their athletes as if they were just babies and kids? Are athletes egos that fragile they need protection from the angry world of reality?

If a student flunks out of school, who is there to protect them from people pointing fingers? This is why I don't see the need or purpose of protecting athletes or refraining from calling them out for a mistake or bad performance. If they were a band member, or any other student or any other adult at the same age, you wouldn't think twice about calling them out.

 

[TipofMittBoiler]

The theme of this thread made me think of this song. Just substitute "athletes" or "basketball players" in for "Cowboys".

 

[beenther1s]

I don't criticize anyone that can do there thing, better then me. I have no idea why people here think they have the right to criticize anyone that could run circles around them at what they do. That includes coaching, playing or telling a person how to raise their child.

 

[Boilerpointe81]

Three analogies.

1. If a person is 18-21 and working at McDonalds or Wal Mart as a cashier and they make a mistake, I have no doubt you would single out that person and talk about them on social media and their parents would never come to their defense publically.

2. If a Purdue student was in the band or other musical group or theater and hit the wrong word or sang the wrong note or forgot their words or dropped a baton, I have no doubt you would laugh, and point them out and ridicule their mistake. And their parents would not come to defend them.

3. When joining the military a person goes to boot camp. And they learn. And after they leave boot camp they are supposed to be an adult and ready. Some don't make it through boot camp and are released. Isn't that the exact same thing an athlete goes through? After being recruited, doesn't an athlete also go through a training camp before they become part of the team? And isn't that training camp about the same length of time as a military boot camp? If a boy can be transformed by boot camp into a man, shouldn't we expect an athlete to do the same after training camp? He may be a child when he arrives to Purdue. But by the time the season starts, he should have already completed his training and be ready to go! And when we talk about a player's game performance, we're talking about somebody who has already completed their basic training. Athletes go through the same kind of training military recruits go through. Shouldn't they be just as ready to perform their job? And if we don't have parents coddling their 18-21 year old military children, then why do so many parents feel the need to protect and defend and coddle their athletes as if they were just babies and kids? Are athletes egos that fragile they need protection from the angry world of reality?

If a student flunks out of school, who is there to protect them from people pointing fingers? This is why I don't see the need or purpose of protecting athletes or refraining from calling them out for a mistake or bad performance. If they were a band member, or any other student or any other adult at the same age, you wouldn't think twice about calling them out.

Point 3 >>> Son went to Marine boot camp at 18. I did a lot of reading on what he had signed up to. To compare what these kids go through to basketball is on its face laughable. The physical and mental transformation my son went through in six weeks was amazing/scary After a while he went back to a more normal state.

And Woj pls save your time. I am not going to read a 1,000 word rebuttal post. Gal is right.

 

[BoilerAndy]

nope - think of Mom rushing out of the stands

Ah, yes. They were from Warren Central.

 

[tjreese]

Point 3 >>> Son went to Marine boot camp at 18. I did a lot of reading on what he had signed up to. To compare what these kids go through to basketball is on its face laughable. The physical and mental transformation my son went through in six weeks was amazing/scary After a while he went back to a more normal state.

And Woj pls save your time. I am not going to read a 1,000 word rebuttal post. Gal is right.

I don't want to get into this Dr Phil and I sure as hell would have a tough time coaching girls in a competitive sport without some tears I'm sure, but I don't think we have to look very far since it was but a few years ago Matt brought in the team for a week of "SEAL" team building..and THAT was TEAM building...not the most physical and mental aspects the SEALS endur...

 

[BoilerGal74]

Actually I do have a totally different experience as a mother. I'm positive you can relate! When I entered the Air Force was the first year that women graduated from the Air Force Academy and all the sexual barriers to every field in the Air Force were opened. And we were trained that all women should be treated as the same and required to do the same. And that came from those female academy graduates! They wanted no special treatment. They didn't want to be known or called as moms or dads . We were all just officers . I'm kind of a gender neutral type of person. Women in the Air Force wanted to be treated as equals and I agree with them .

When our first child was adopted at age 40, I was the one who quit my job to stay home while Col Wolegib continued her Air Force career. I'm the one who drove the soccer van. I'm the one who volunteered at school. I'm the Cub Scout leader. I went to the AAU games. I cooked the food and took my child to the doctor and made sure he got unto the school bus and read books to him before going to bed.

So when it comes to being a mom, I could relate a lot of stories that I know nobody wants to hear. I'm of the opinion that dads can be just as sensitive and caring and proud of their children as moms are. Every time you cut my son's track career down, I also get defensive. I kind of resent the fact that you are alluding that only moms care!

Right....I was alluding to carrying a human being in one’s body for 9 months.....One does not have to give birth to love a child or be a wonderful parent. But carrying a child in one’s womb is a unique experience unlike anything else in this world. It does not make one a better parent by any means, but there is nothing comparable in the human experience.
I use to feel somewhat sorry for your need to intentionally pick fights on this board and then whine to us all that everyone cuts you down, but you have crossed the line with your comment “Every time you cut my son’s track career down I also get defensive”. First, I have never cut your son or his track career down....EVER!!! Nor would I cut anyone else’s child down-grown or not. But the truth is I have gone out of my way more than once to ask you about your son and his track. Most recently when you said he had a big weekend coming up and I ask you afterwards how it went. To even imply otherwise is a blatant lie...period. Secondly, the comment that you get defensive about your son is 180 degrees different than your argument with the OP that people should realize 18 year olds are adults and should be man or woman enough to deal with criticism. Now which is it Wol??? Talking out both sides of your mouth?? Don’t bother answering....We won’t be having any more discussions. I wish you only the best as a fellow Boilermaker but I simply don’t have the patience to deal with this anymore. My better nature has not come out in this post and I am taking responsibility to end that now.

 

[JohnHoosierr]

I don't criticize anyone that can do there thing, better then me. I have no idea why people here think they have the right to criticize anyone that could run circles around them at what they do. That includes coaching, playing or telling a person how to raise their child.

This is big boy d1 basketball. People are always going to be critical of teams and players. That's what comes with the opportunity to play a sport on tv in front of potentially millions of viewers.

 

[BoilerAndy]

This is big boy d1 basketball. People are always going to be critical of teams and players. That's what comes with the opportunity to play a sport on tv in front of potentially millions of viewers.

"Everyone does it" is not a legitimate reason. In fact, most children are taught differently.